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1505 Idle RPM   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jun 23, 2008 - 11:46 am - Anybody out there with a Beta 1505 know what the engine should idle at?Thanks in advance
Jun 29, 2008 - 01:46 pm - Our new Beta 1505 idles at about 850-900 on the tach. I think the manual says 900-1K, but I could be wrong. They sure do run nice, don't they?Ken
Jul 01, 2008 - 10:15 am - Thanks Ken - yes they do run nice!

4-108 Engine Overhaul Status Report   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Oct 03, 2008 - 12:40 pm - Hi fellow and sister Westsailors.I just returned from the local Perkins factory dealer/rebuilder here in Houston (Diesel Parts Sales, Inc. on Canal St...
Oct 05, 2008 - 10:38 pm - Randy, good to hear from you. I thought about you this past Wednesday and planned to call after work, but got busy and forgot. I hope you took picture...
Oct 06, 2008 - 08:13 am - George,Good morning. Thanks for the note. I'm off to the Perkins dealer/rebuilder to firm the order and ask a few questions and yes, get some pics, if...
Nov 16, 2008 - 09:57 am - Just a quick update. Bud's new fuel tanks have been in for awhile now and look and fit just fine. The rebuilt engine is back in the boat and I am in t...
Nov 17, 2008 - 12:05 am - Randy,Besides being back on the water, hopefully there will be another blessing - reduced outflow of $$$.Two years ago I put my W28 in the water after...
Nov 17, 2008 - 09:56 pm - Thanks, George,I intend to order the Trinidad tomorrow.Congragulations on your progress.I am beat. Got the engine aligned and shaft log reinstalled, a...
Feb 13, 2009 - 09:01 pm - the Perkins is about ready to test run, wet, in the boat, any day now. Had some issues regarding water tanks, fuel tanks, fuel lines, water hoses, bil...
Feb 14, 2009 - 08:32 pm - I told you things take longer than you plan. The time fairy just whacks you with the time stick and time flies away. Besides having your law practice...
Feb 15, 2009 - 09:59 am - Hey, thanks for the message Ken. Glad to hear you are still fighting the battle. Good luck with the new procedure. You deserve a break. And you are ab...
Mar 08, 2009 - 09:17 am - Got the old Perkins running yesterday, finally. Not a job to be taken lightly. The yard management warned me that as difficult, physically and timewis...
Mar 08, 2009 - 10:17 pm - Now you know why I was just going to go cruising instead of the overhaul. What a job and I am tickled pink the old girl is getting the makeover. I co...
Mar 10, 2009 - 08:56 am - Thanks Ken,Hope you and Debra are well.And yes, the old girl is definitely getting the "makeover". It is killing me. I woke up sore and bruise...

4108 Overheating!   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jun 14, 2008 - 11:45 pm - for the first time today my perkins 4108 was up around 185, 190*- usually purrs along in these waters at more like 165, 170* when fully warm.....
Jun 15, 2008 - 08:30 am - Brian - I had the same problem and just couldn't figure out why if water was flushing through it was overheating. But it was overheating as soon as th...
Jun 16, 2008 - 05:12 am - Just sounding in. I have the Perkins on my W32. Finally found in the shop manual on the engine that "normal" operating temp. is 150/200 deg. F...
Jun 16, 2008 - 08:34 am - Thanks guys- It's not the impeller, that was still in excellent shape after at least 6 years (?)- Could well be thermostat, that would make sense... R...
Jun 16, 2008 - 04:44 pm - can't get her above 165 today @ 2000 rpms- water temp around 50 F- life is good~
Jun 20, 2008 - 07:41 am - I had the same problem. I backflushed, cleaned the exchanger, changed impellers, everything. I finally correlated days when outside water temperature ...
Oct 07, 2009 - 12:22 pm - I've searched the message board but have yet to learn all the intricacies involved in engine heat dissipation. Any Armchair Thermodynamicists out ther...
Oct 07, 2009 - 03:37 pm - One experience I had of normal temperatures at lower RPM and overheating at higher RPM was finding a pices of a broken impeller at one of the elbow fi...
Oct 07, 2009 - 03:50 pm - Scott,These numbers sort of make sense and seem consistent with a fouled heat exchanger. With a large enough clean exchanger the thermostat should con...
Oct 08, 2009 - 08:59 pm - Scott,There is also a product specifically for cleaning equipment like heat exchangers that will not harm the metal but reportedly does a thorough job...
Oct 08, 2009 - 11:09 pm - Another day another trial. Changed out the thermostat to a 160 degree unit based on the yard mechanics recommendation. pulled the core and bathed it i...
Oct 09, 2009 - 10:02 am - Scott, That small hose barb may be for the siphon break. Check Page F-8 of my Westsail Service Manual for the need for this siphon break, and it's loc...
Oct 09, 2009 - 10:14 am - Thanks Budscott
Oct 10, 2009 - 12:21 am - This is just a heat exchanger, like any other heat exchanger. If it's clean (and it seems to be with the same results after a second cleaning) then ei...
Oct 10, 2009 - 01:15 pm - Scott,My comment that a 160F thermostat must produce 160F coolant is wrong. A 160F thermostat is intended to start opening at 160F. As the temperature...
Oct 11, 2009 - 04:00 pm - Thanks Ralph, I'll give it a good going over. I think I read somewhere the cam in the raw water pump can wear and lose efficiency. I might just change...
Oct 11, 2009 - 07:07 pm - I don't know for sure Scott, but the colder you run the engine, the more soot will build up. Mine is a 180F and runs pretty close to 180 because I har...
Oct 12, 2009 - 02:09 pm - My mechanic said that it's better for the engine (I have a Perkins 4-107) to run at around 175 to 180 -- too cold and the engine looses efficiency and...
Oct 12, 2009 - 05:24 pm - Good info, Thanks guys.scott
Oct 12, 2009 - 05:50 pm - The first thing I would check would be the raw water strainer. I have learned the hard way that little pygmy sized mollusks and worms will live in the...
Oct 12, 2009 - 07:32 pm - Hi:How is the waterflow out of the exhaust? Earlier this year my Perkins 4-108 was running up to 200 degrees under load. I took the waterpump off (ver...
Oct 12, 2009 - 09:21 pm - Well, I got my waterpump rebuilt, too, and yes, the gush out of the exhaust is very impressive.
Oct 12, 2009 - 10:14 pm - Scott,You may find this useful. Information applies to most fresh water cooled diesels...http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f54/yanmar-4jh3-te-overhe...
Oct 13, 2009 - 12:17 pm - I just met with my diesel rebuilder, Randall Caesar, at Diesel Parts Sales, Houston. We discussed the problem.Randall said that it is a big misconcept...
Oct 13, 2009 - 07:41 pm - Heat exchangers are cleaned in situ in refineries and chemical plants all the time. How you clean depends on (1) what the crud is and (2) the metallur...
Oct 13, 2009 - 09:44 pm - It sure is a good idea to open the heat exchanger up and check it. I found Ray had several tubes plugged due to leaks. Worked OK in Maine but not in ...

Access To Stuffing Box   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jun 18, 2009 - 04:09 pm - On My W32 the stuffing box is dripping more than I would like; however, the muffler sits on a fiberglass "shelf" right above the stuffing box....
Jun 19, 2009 - 03:33 pm - Hi,I just rebuilt the stuffing box on my boat. I'd say you almost certainly will have to remove the muffler and clear your way down to the shelf, and ...
Jun 22, 2009 - 11:32 am - Can't exactly recall where my muffler is plumbed, however, I have direct access to my stuffing box, and I would highly recommend that. It is just forw...
Jun 23, 2009 - 08:35 pm - I'll tell you this, I took Bud's advice to just tighten up enough on the stuffing box to stop the drips. This was MUCH to the chagrin of the operator ...
Jun 24, 2009 - 10:10 am - You can always install a longer hose between the stuffing box and the shaft log to bring it out to a more accessible location. Also, use the teflon im...
Jun 26, 2009 - 10:18 pm - Stuffing box update:Well, the nuts were of course frozen and after much frustration and a smashed finger I took Oceana to my local boatyard. They fixe...
Jun 29, 2009 - 10:30 am - My stuffing box is blocked by the muffler too. I believe Bud installed this engine with the previous owner. I've yet to figure out a permanent solutio...
Jun 29, 2009 - 11:16 am - Lengthen the hose. But wait until your next haulout as it does require the removal of the shaft to do it.Use 2" ID hose, without any wire braid in...

Advise On Solving An MD2B Overheating   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Dec 04, 2006 - 08:47 pm - Since Pygmalion?s launch in 1976 she has had odd occurrences with the engine cooling system overheating the engine? everything from the temp gauge goi...
Dec 04, 2006 - 10:11 pm - The problem with this scenario is that by adding a boost pump, you are applying a bandaid fix. Here are the only things it could be...period:1. Bad wa...
Dec 05, 2006 - 12:53 pm - Adam:I have a very simple installation just sea water cooled w/o heat exchanger or heater.The issue is that we keep burning up the impeller -- therefo...
Dec 05, 2006 - 01:07 pm - Jay, I spent a 1-1/2 years with an intermediate over heating problem. We would make a repair and things would work for awhile then overheat. I had rem...
Dec 05, 2006 - 02:36 pm - Jim:In the past year I have opened then drain cocks in the manifold as well as remove/replaced the rear soft plug -- flushing out the area with fresh ...
Dec 07, 2006 - 07:00 pm - Ahoy Jay,I do not know exactly what your problem is but I did have a very similar, if not identical problem with my MD2B. This is what I did and I nev...
Dec 07, 2006 - 07:18 pm - Ditto what Dave King did. We had a similar problem in the VI's and when we hauled I moved it into the bilge under the steps. Never got air in the inta...
Dec 08, 2006 - 12:21 pm - Dave and Dave:Thanks for the advise and observations -- I plan to head to the boat on Saturday -- I hope to do some testing on the gravity flow rate a...
Dec 09, 2006 - 11:31 pm - Problem found but not fixed yet!! Turns out that after 30 years in salt water the transmission cooling loop was restricting the water to a trickle. I ...
Dec 17, 2006 - 09:18 am - Update: I retreated the transmission cooling passages with Muratic Acid as well as using a dull hack saw blade to work around the bottom 1/2 of the pa...
Dec 17, 2006 - 04:31 pm - It's what I did. There use to be one the best Volvo mechanics on the west coast named Peter leaving near you in Redwood City. He owned Penninsula Mari...
Apr 22, 2007 - 01:34 pm - Thanks for the reply Jim and nice to see you at the boat show.One more question to all.I'd like to add a high water temp buzzer to my MD2B. I'd like t...

Albin Diesel   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Aug 07, 2004 - 04:42 pm - I just bought a W32 with an Albin engine in it.I cannot find anyone with info about parts, manuals, etc. I know Volvo bought Albin about 10 years ago,...

Beta 1505- New Tier4 Vs Previous Tier2   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Apr 06, 2009 - 09:01 am - We've been thinking about replacing our 2 cyl Isuzu for a few years now, and the Beta BV1505 has long been the planned replacement. We are seriously c...
Apr 06, 2009 - 10:23 am - Contact Stanley at Beta Marine in NC, and he will explain what changes were made and why in the Beta engines. stan@betamarinenc.com

Beta Alternator   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Mar 30, 2007 - 07:22 am - I am installing a new Beta 1505 with the standard 65 amp alternator. The output from the alternator is through 2 small (#12?) wires to the lug on the ...
Mar 30, 2007 - 06:15 pm - Robert: (IMHO)Looking at Nigel Calder's 3rd edition of "Boatowner's mechanical and electrical manual" page 164, for a 10' total run from sourc...
Mar 31, 2007 - 06:17 pm - Thanks Jay,I'll keep that in mind. I thought that it would take much heavier cable.Rob

Betz 1505 - Instrument Panel   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Dec 24, 2008 - 10:53 am - Bud and I have installed the new Beta 1505 and now the owner is worried about the instrument panel (C type) key switch rusting as well as the key bein...
Dec 24, 2008 - 01:21 pm - Jay:Mine is done in a portlite reversed as to open from the cockpit but the controls are inside (key was cut to fit within portlite).
Dec 25, 2008 - 12:10 pm - Norm:Is there a photo online somewhere? Sounds like a good solution.Have you had any key switch corrosion issues?
Dec 25, 2008 - 01:03 pm - Jay,We mounted the gauges in a 1/2" piece of Seaboard. This was mounted from inside the boat, with a piece of 1/8" lexan and a fiberglass-cove...
Dec 29, 2008 - 10:49 am - All,For the record, we did this for a Perkins 4-108, not a Beta. I imagine the wiring and selection of buttons would be the same for both though.Cheer...
Dec 30, 2008 - 06:06 am - Say, Aaron, I hope you did not squish that "diamond-backed" camelion with the Lexan. I suspect that particular species is pretty rare.Nice pan...
Dec 30, 2008 - 05:42 pm - George,Oh no, he just happened to be sleeping (with his eyes open) in that position when we took the photo. He crawls around whenever we use the boat;...
Dec 30, 2008 - 09:12 pm - Aaron:Thanks for the photo -- Like the idea of the start and stop near the throttle.I'm also thinking of resessing the throttle as it always moved acc...
Dec 31, 2008 - 10:45 am - Jay,Beta has a small remote panel also available that connects into the system. Used mainly on powerboats with a flybridge. That way your main panel c...
Dec 31, 2008 - 02:51 pm - That sounds like a pretty good idea Bud so even if the starter button craps out on the outside you can still start and stop it from the inside.
Dec 31, 2008 - 09:20 pm - Bud:Is this the ABVW water proof panel -- 3 push buttons, tack and 4 lights? I wonder how they handle the run position of the key switch with this pan...
Jan 02, 2009 - 11:09 am - Jay,Contact Stanley at Beta and he can describe the remote panel and how it hooks up.
Jan 02, 2009 - 05:04 pm - I'll call on Monday.Thanks Bud

Boat Trim With Betamarine Engine   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

May 18, 2009 - 08:00 am - I had decided upon the Betamarine to reengine our boat, but after reading the latest Windblown and noting the comments about the boats being trimmed d...
May 18, 2009 - 09:36 am - Tom, Shouldn't be a problem. You can always get rid of some STUFF that has been lurking near the foreward end of your boat for the past 30 years or so...
May 18, 2009 - 07:03 pm - Hi Tom:What I found is that with 2 (~ 400lbs) in the cockpit the bow and stern are almost level.Hope this helps. The new engine is great!!

Borg Warner Transmission   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Nov 14, 2008 - 08:25 pm - A couple of questions for W32 owners that have a perkins 4108 with a Borg Warner transmission.1. My transmission leaks fluid out of the the top breath...
Dec 04, 2008 - 10:49 am - Dexron transmission fluid is what I run in our BW Velvet Drive.Transmission fluid expands when it gets hot and this may be the reason you are seeing o...

Breather For Diesel Tank   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jul 22, 2008 - 03:58 pm - OK - so why do I need this breather? It seems that it would just be a place for water to enter the tank.....
Jul 22, 2008 - 03:59 pm - I guess so suction does not build up - duhBut does it need to be vented outside?
Jul 22, 2008 - 04:57 pm - on the self answer:so that you don't fill the boat with an over fill of the tank, and also so a slosh goes outside and not inside. Lastly I think some...
Jul 22, 2008 - 05:37 pm - the enviromentaly concious cruisier would vent the tank into the cockpit, where overflows can be caught before tainting the water.Install a ball vavle...

Bust Nut; Transmission Fluid Check??   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

May 21, 2007 - 10:18 pm - ok, so i'm not as strong as i used to be...(ok, so i never was) how in the world to bust loosethe level check nut on the top of my (hurth?) transmissi...
May 22, 2007 - 04:16 pm - Use a socket wrench that fits the nut, put on a long handle, and tap the handle with a hammer. That should break the tight threads loose.
May 22, 2007 - 09:59 pm - thanks bud- and dumb question (hey, marine diesels are brand spankin' new to me), that would be counter clockwiseto loosen, right??
May 24, 2007 - 11:04 am - Yes, it is standard type thread, right hand to tighten, and left hand to loosen. It does not have to be very tight when you replace it. Make sure the ...

Charging Rate, Batteries   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Apr 19, 2007 - 11:37 am - OK, knock on wood everything seems sound and a good test run last night with ye old perkins- only potential issue i see, as of now, is that battery #2...
Apr 19, 2007 - 04:41 pm - keep checking the electrolyte. Don't let them go dry.My balmar charges at that rate.Rich
Apr 19, 2007 - 06:50 pm - thanks rich- will do!
Apr 23, 2007 - 09:50 am - Above is a comment on the product (Balmar) Just don't do it.I to had a Balmar charge controler once: It ate my batteries, alt and almost caught the bo...
May 08, 2007 - 10:04 pm - I just started my Perkins 4108 for the first time this season and the panel Volt meter is reading 15.5 volts. Is this normal at start up and will it l...
May 09, 2007 - 12:44 pm - Jon,15.5 vdc (short term) should be ok for lead acid batteries, depending on the state of charge/discharge, battery health, etc. Charging voltage shou...
May 10, 2007 - 01:10 pm - Thanks Steve/Joan,I appreciate the advice. I shut the engine down when I saw the 15.5 volts fearing doing damage. I'll top off the batteries and let t...
May 14, 2007 - 01:29 pm - Alternators have a mean (statistical) life of about 10 years. Some die earlier (infant mortality) and some as long as 15 years (luck). If you wanted a...
May 14, 2007 - 03:01 pm - Jon & Debbie:Unless your alternator has an internial charge controller (the alt is not setting the voltage output)FYI I have always had my Alt (cu...
May 14, 2007 - 04:47 pm - Norm,14.5 has been fine for these batteries. I am replacing them this year as they have started to fail. I have used them since 98. I think that is a ...
May 15, 2007 - 08:23 am - I am a System Engineer in the Nuclear Power Industry. Job number one is System/Equipment Reliability (something about a Nuclear Reactor, LOL). Some of...
May 15, 2007 - 02:38 pm - Thanks Steve:But still did the data come from test rigs, actual consumer info, or other. I count on most consumers to have, well some issue during the...
May 16, 2007 - 11:17 am - Norm,Those numbers come out of IEEE-500 (Standard Reliability Data for Pumps and Drivers, Valve Actuators, and Valves). There is much more in that sta...
May 16, 2007 - 02:12 pm - Thanks SteveSorry to give you such a hard time on the data, But thanks, I see my numbers did not included the belt or bearings (shorter replacement &#...
May 21, 2007 - 09:39 pm - Thanks all. I had the alternator bench tested and it turned out fine (albeit old) so probably was a regulator issue. I got great help from an old auto...

Closed Or Raw Water Cooling   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jan 01, 2007 - 07:23 pm - I am close to heading ofshore and with my MD17 manfold off would liken to understend the pros and cons of fitting a closed coling system as I will be ...
Jan 02, 2007 - 09:16 am - Terry, The unit may still be available from Sendure, however I don't feel it is worth the cost of installing a coolant system on an older engine.
Jan 02, 2007 - 02:08 pm - Terry, When I had an MD17C I inquired with Peter at Penninsula Marine, who was considered to be one of the best Volvo mechanics and a factory rep, als...

DC Ground   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Apr 24, 2008 - 11:46 am - OK, I got tired of these two copper straps the previous owner had running from the engine block to a common ground (and out to SSB dynoplate on hull)-...
Apr 24, 2008 - 03:26 pm - Brian,I didn't realize the straps were being used to ground the system. Obviously, you have to have something completing the circuit - I have a wire r...
Apr 25, 2008 - 09:00 am - Some engine heat exchangers are installed with rubber end caps that isolate the exchanger from the body of the coolant tank. Those exchangers do not n...
Apr 25, 2008 - 11:43 am - Thanks Bud, Aaron..
Apr 25, 2008 - 09:01 pm - So yes, I do indeed seem to have a heat exchanger with rubber end caps- guess I can finally stop crawling around in there looking for non-existant pen...

De-winterizing Perkins- The Basics?   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Mar 26, 2007 - 04:38 pm - ok, it's almost spring/sailing season here in southcentral alaska... so, 'orion' is new to me- she's been sitting, winterized for 6 months. i need to ...

Diesel Additives   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

May 24, 2007 - 05:04 pm - What do you all add to your diesel fuel to keep it and your engine in good shape? Particularly if the boat sits largely unused for months at a time, l...
May 24, 2007 - 11:12 pm - steve, I work for a biodiesel company in the Pac.NW and our lab team has been running tests over the last 18months on nearly every additive on the mar...
May 24, 2007 - 11:12 pm - The advice we got from a highly respected, long-time marine diesel mechanic: stanadyne (very popular additive with truckers, too). I know that there a...

Diesel In Engine Oil   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Apr 22, 2008 - 10:00 am - I have a friend whose boat has a Perkins 4-108. It leaks oil, but the bigger concern is that diesel fuel ends up in the lubricating oil. Any ideas of ...
Apr 22, 2008 - 10:09 am - Bad piston ring(s) would be my first guess.
Apr 22, 2008 - 01:38 pm - Concerning the rising oil level in the Perkins engine, my friend says "I just can't figure out how diesel gets into the oil. It onlyhappens when t...
Apr 22, 2008 - 02:41 pm - Injector could have a bad seal. Easiest to check first
Apr 22, 2008 - 04:44 pm - Need a little more info. Does the engine run normally with good power? what volume of contamination are we talking about?
Apr 22, 2008 - 09:59 pm - The culprit is most likely the mechanical lift fuel pump (not the high pressure injector pump).on marine engines, if the fuel pump goes bad the fuel w...
Apr 22, 2008 - 10:07 pm - I appreciate the responses thus far in this saga. Rich, you may be right about the fuel pump.Danny, here is the additional info you requested."The...
Apr 23, 2008 - 06:11 am - Just something else to consider... I have a friend who just went through this with his 4-108 last summer. We ruled out all the usual suspects one by o...
Apr 30, 2008 - 11:29 pm - Well, my friend had a spare fuel pump on board. So he installed it, verified the engine would still run, and then disassembled the one removed. The di...
May 01, 2008 - 03:12 am - next thing is the injector pump.These are the only two places that fuel can enter. The lift pump was the cheaper problem. Bummer....
May 10, 2008 - 05:06 pm - GeorgeOne other thing to check Is the return line from the HP injectors, Is it clear to flow back to the tank (excess fuel goes back to the tank) If b...
May 10, 2008 - 05:17 pm - A second thought :when checking the return line it should NOT be connected to suction tube in the tank but only as a top entery to the tank.Siphon con...
May 10, 2008 - 06:36 pm - George, I am familiar w/ the 4-108. I fumbled through replacing the rear main seal, pan gasket, ect. It seems to me if you had that much fluid in that...
May 26, 2008 - 11:38 pm - To all, I just passed the additional recommendations on to my friend. They have just returned to Florida from the Bahamas and will be back in Texas in...

Dual Posted To Ask Bud- Fuel Tank Plumbing   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jul 09, 2008 - 08:03 am - OK- so I am in the midst of installing a new Beta per Bud's instructions- so far so good- I am confused on how to plumb the fuel lines though- I am do...
Jul 09, 2008 - 10:51 pm - Each feed tank has its own filter + selector (ON/OFF) valve that tees into the fuel line to the engine's fuel pump. The return line from the engin...
Jul 10, 2008 - 10:56 am - Use a three way selector valve. One common port and one port to each tank. Mount the supply and return selector valves next to each other so you remem...

Electric Engine   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Dec 18, 2009 - 08:20 pm - i ran into a guy recently who told me of a WS32 running all electric propulsion.does anyone know anything about installing electric engines in boats? ...
Dec 23, 2009 - 01:37 pm - Hey there Rene,We may be the ones you heard about. Mary Liz and I have been running a Solomons Technologies electric drive in our W32 Wandering Albatr...
Jan 05, 2010 - 03:47 am - hi christhank you for the info. i'll definitely look into it and e-mail you with any questions :-)happy new year!rene
Jan 07, 2010 - 09:29 pm - Hi Chris.Steve here from Westsail "Nereus". We anchored next to you back in Deb '04 at Miami Beach. Glad to hear you and Mary Liz are still at...

Electric Motor   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jul 17, 2008 - 05:44 pm - So whos got a westsail with electric drive?Our new 32 has no engine. While that works fine while we keep the boat in the BVI, I fear a motor will be r...
Jul 17, 2008 - 10:30 pm - Wandering Albatross has an electric motor..http://mysite.verizon.net/vzenw6dl/index.html

Electric Motor Update From Wandering Albatross   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jul 28, 2008 - 11:33 am - Hello Westsailors, We have recieved several emails requesting an update on our experiences with the Solomon Technologies (ST) electric drive. We have ...
Jul 28, 2008 - 06:00 pm - Thanks for the information and update...
Jul 28, 2008 - 10:29 pm - Yes, thank you for providing such a complete review based on almost 4 years of experience with electric. I am glad it has met your goals.George

Engine Flush   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Mar 10, 2004 - 12:33 pm - I "inherited" a MD17C that I used to replace my old MD2B. The 17C was rebuilt and starts/runs great. However, it had been run with raw water c...
Mar 12, 2004 - 12:08 am - Ahoy, On at least 3 occasions I have seen this problem on that engine. Perhaps just coincidental but in each case the problem was a clog in the exhaus...

Engine Intake Breaks Water Surface On Starbord Tack   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Mar 09, 2009 - 10:28 pm - I am having a persistant problem of the engine saltwater intake sucking air while on a starboard tack, the enging will loose cooling water prime and n...
Mar 10, 2009 - 12:23 pm - Jay, Somewhat hard to believe that the engine water intake goes above the waterline when on a tack. I have not heard of this happening on any other We...
Mar 10, 2009 - 04:59 pm - Jay - you're saying the engine water intake is just below the cockpit drain. It sounds like someone plumbed the engine intake to the wrong hole, more ...
Mar 10, 2009 - 06:18 pm - Ahoy Jay,Many years ago I had the exact same problem. It showed up only twice. Both times when I was motoring in extremely rough water. My engine was ...
Mar 10, 2009 - 10:55 pm - Thanks for all the responses. I guess it seems clear that the intake is in a poor location. I will have to haul out and relocate lower in the bildge. ...
Mar 11, 2009 - 10:24 am - The covers many times present a problem. Marine growth gets in behind them and restricts the flow. Best let a good strainer with clear bowl collect th...

Engine Rpm   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Nov 11, 2004 - 07:59 pm - Bud recently installed a Beta engine in Robin. This is our first diesel boat. The Perkins that was in the boat at the time we bought her came with ins...
Nov 21, 2004 - 10:15 pm - As a rule of thumb, you should use about 85% of the rated RPM for continuous use, but certainly more than 50-60% to avoid carbon build-up issues. The ...

Engine Screeching Above 2000 RPM   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Sep 09, 2005 - 02:01 pm - I am unable to power my boat much above 2000 RPM without a screeching noise. It almost sounds like a cheap electrical alarm sound. As I exceed 2000 RP...
Sep 11, 2005 - 11:48 am - Sounds like the alternator belt cannot take the load underway. Try replacing the belt.
Sep 26, 2005 - 12:08 pm - Posted on Monday, September 26, 2005 - 05:07 pm:--------------------------------------------------------------------------------I replaced both belts ...

Enquiry On Repowering Options, Shafts, Interesting Stuff   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Sep 20, 2006 - 11:29 am - Any thoughts on the best way to repower a 32 without having to change shaft and propellors?By the way, how long can a shaft last in real use, if there...
Sep 20, 2006 - 12:10 pm - Randy, Just a comment based on my experience of about 35 years of boatbuilding.The last complete rebuild of a Perkins 4-108 I arranged for cost about ...
Sep 20, 2006 - 03:11 pm - On the topic of engines,How do 32s do with an outboard for a motor? It would be nice to gain the engine room space for stores and keep a 15hp outboard...
Sep 20, 2006 - 07:37 pm - Aaron. Not a good idea. As the boat moves up and down, or heels, the prop on a outboard will come out of the water, the engine over rev, and probably ...

Exhaust 4-10   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Apr 05, 2008 - 11:02 pm - Hello Everyone - Exhaust on my engine for our W42 needs to be replaced. Any and all suggestions for replacement ideas would be appreciated. Or if anyo...
Apr 05, 2008 - 11:03 pm - Sorry the 8 dropped off.Perkins 4-108

Flex Couplers   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Feb 02, 2010 - 06:21 pm - Has anyone used a flex coupler between the transmission and stuffing box . Does this affect the grounding? Will it affect engine alignment?I have read...
Feb 03, 2010 - 09:03 am - I have always used them and consider them practically a neccessity. There are a couple of brands available. Contact me and I will discuss them with yo...

Freshwater Cooling On A Volvo   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Mar 24, 2004 - 01:09 pm - Hey Randy,About your question. I had a heat exchanger on my old volvo that I migrated over to the new one. The only issue was to find a pump.I found M...
Apr 29, 2004 - 02:11 pm - SteveI am considering modifying my 17C to freshwater cooling and am looking at two options...the first is to install the stacked pump and the second i...
Apr 30, 2004 - 02:01 pm - Jeff,I don't have a part number on hand. However, Bill at Marelco didn't have any problems identifying the double-pocket pump for our engine. It wasn'...
May 04, 2004 - 07:22 am - Thanks Steve...it is amazing what they can charge for a chunk of bronze and rubber...Jeff

Fuel Additives   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jan 04, 2010 - 08:38 pm - Two diesel mechanics in our area (one of them does my tractor repair) both suggest that modern diesel (low sulphur) has pretty poor lubrication qualit...
Jan 04, 2010 - 08:44 pm - Nice topic, Ralph. Thanks for bringing it up.I was about to add lubricants and water absorbent additives to my brand new rebuilt engine and new fuel t...
Jan 05, 2010 - 05:09 pm - Randy:You can keep track of this topic at http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f54/fuel-additives-for-lubrication-34861-new -post.html where I started ...

Fuel Filters   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Dec 28, 2006 - 08:44 am - I have a 4-107 engine with a Racor as well as the on-engine secondary filter. I use a 2 micron filter for the secondary, and have been using 10 micron...
Dec 29, 2006 - 01:58 pm - Terry, Stick with the 10 micron on the Racor. If you use a 2 micron filter in the first filter, then you will find that it clogs up quickly.
Dec 30, 2006 - 12:27 pm - There was a huge debate about this in Passagemaker magazine a year or so ago. Can't remember all the details but the proponents of the approach Terry ...
Jan 01, 2007 - 09:51 am - I logged onto the Passagemaker web site and read the long discussion -- I'm right back where I started! Seems that there are good arguments on both si...
Jan 01, 2007 - 01:03 pm - For what it's worth I have always used 2 micron filters, mostly to protect the 2 micron on the engine. The engine filter is about $35 each for the Vol...

Fuel Polishing   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Apr 17, 2008 - 08:07 am - I need to clean my fuel tanks and have heard about a process called fuel polishing. Has anyone had any experience with this technique? Also, does anyo...
Apr 17, 2008 - 11:06 am - Tom,I think it's a great idea. I've used the service several times on boats that have sat. Saves loads of filters, and lots of headaches for, usually,...
Apr 17, 2008 - 10:19 pm - Aaron,What's involved with this method? I'm about to open up my tank and pupm the fuel out for cleaning...Thanks,Voytek
Apr 18, 2008 - 05:06 am - Voytek,I've always had someone come to the dock and perform the entire thing. Usually they insert some sort of special nozzle down into the tank, then...
Apr 18, 2008 - 05:28 am - Aaron,This sounds very scientific. Never heard of anybody doing this here. But I've never asked either...I've got one tank in my W28 and there are two...
Apr 18, 2008 - 07:52 am - Voytek,You are right on target. You really want to scrub the tank with a brush or a rag.good luck
Apr 18, 2008 - 09:04 am - Aaron -- what's the cost for polishing? I know I'm on the opposite side of the country, but at least that'll give me an idea of what they charge.
Apr 18, 2008 - 11:07 pm - We paid about $60 for our 80 gallons. The boat had been sitting three years - the polished, treated, and semi-cleaned tanks let the engine run smooth....
Apr 20, 2008 - 06:37 am - Aaron, What was the material of the tanks when you polished the fuel. Aluminum? Black iron?ThanksDon
Apr 20, 2008 - 08:41 am - Aluminum.Cheers,Aaron N.
Apr 21, 2008 - 11:54 pm - Tom and all,Here is an excellent article about fuel polishing and how to do it yourself, if you so choose.http://www.sentoa.org/maintenance_tips/fuel_...
Aug 24, 2008 - 09:57 pm - I have read the fuel polishing article above, and as far as I can tell the cheapest one can get the package kit from Gulf Coast Filters is over $1K. I...
Aug 25, 2008 - 08:26 am - We just installed our own system to polish fuel for less than $450. It is just 3 Y valves, an electric fuel pump, high volume racor filter, brass plum...
Aug 25, 2008 - 09:51 am - I was wondering if the inside of the forward cockpit bulkhead would be a good place for filters and/or valves, as all you would have to do would be to...
Aug 25, 2008 - 10:01 am - Frank,That would be convenient, but ideally you'll have your fuel filters below your fuel tanks (on both tacks), this way gravity will keep them full,...
Aug 26, 2008 - 07:46 am - Don,Could you post a litle schematic of your polishing setup?-Steve
Aug 26, 2008 - 09:12 pm - I am trying to fugure out how to do a digi drawing of the system. I think I may be able to make something work on excel. Stay tuned. The filter is a R...
Aug 27, 2008 - 07:43 am - Don,If nothing else works, you could just scan a pencil drawing into your computer as a jpeg.-Steve
Aug 27, 2008 - 11:09 am - Ifffffffffffff I had a scanner!!!!!! We live aboard and do not have a scanner on board. Lets see if Aaron can do something with the file I sent him.
Aug 27, 2008 - 05:08 pm - Has anyone installed a fuel tank with a large dimple in the bottom to which a draw nozzle can be attached and where settled water could collect and be...
Aug 27, 2008 - 08:13 pm - Ralph, The system I installed does exactly what you are asking. That is why I had my tanks built with bottom take offs. The crud and water never build...
Aug 28, 2008 - 02:21 am - Ralph, my reading would indicate a different conclusion. Fuel polishing is to prevent the problem, though it can be used to cure or, at least, partial...
Aug 28, 2008 - 10:36 am - One nice thing about a polishing system is that you can also use it to clean the fuel as you put it into your tanks.I sealed off the large fitting on ...
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Aug 28, 2008 - 10:15 pm - Tanks (PUN INTENDED) for your help in posting the schematic Aaron. The 3way valve under the tank selection valve is the return tank selection valve. B...
Aug 29, 2008 - 07:45 am - Thanks for the diagram Don & Aaron. Looks like with a single tank all I need is one 3-way valve, the T-fitting, some tubing and the elec. fuel pum...
Aug 29, 2008 - 01:33 pm - OK, Here are the pics I promised. This is the first time I have opted to place pics on the board so we will see what happens. The big white plastic ta...
Aug 31, 2008 - 11:54 pm - Don, thank you for the diagram and pictures. The hinged mounting board may be just the solution I should use to make my installation permanent without...
Sep 01, 2008 - 01:07 am - Here is the actual fuel polishing setup on a Cape Dory 36 (s/v Arial) that they mounted on Star Board. See http://www.ariel-cd36.org/projects_fuelsyst...
Sep 01, 2008 - 09:38 am - George, thanks for the diagram and photo. This is very close to what I want to do. The only change I want to make is the one you mentioned: being able...
Sep 01, 2008 - 05:49 pm - Good to see all of the variations. I copied mine from a global cruiser that has been using the same system for 12 years. His last Racor 500 filter ele...
Sep 01, 2008 - 08:26 pm - Thanks for all the comments, diagrams and photos. VERY helpful. We will be replacing both fuel tanks shortly (starboard broke a seam and dropped 37 of...
Sep 02, 2008 - 08:57 pm - Ralph, The system I installed primes the system up to the injector pump and the Walbro electric pump on the polishing system also serves as a backup p...
Sep 03, 2008 - 08:36 pm - Don, don't wait for the "slow" leak because if it happens to be not slow, dealing with a 40 gallon tank full of fuel in the bilge is a mammoth...
Sep 04, 2008 - 08:07 pm - Good advice Ralph. Bud indicated that my new aluminum tank for the port side shipped today. Will install it next week and transfer fuel and then work ...
Sep 06, 2008 - 11:42 am - great info guys, thanks!Don, for future reference, it helps if you size your photos to be no larger than 640X480 (smaller is even better) before you u...
Sep 06, 2008 - 06:56 pm - Thanks for the help on posting pics. I had no idea what I was doing and your advice will help in the future.
Sep 26, 2008 - 11:50 pm - Don,I would still be interested in the flow rate of your Walbro pump when you get a chance to measure it.Ralph,On the question of why dual in-line fil...
Sep 27, 2008 - 10:09 am - I will measure the flow rate nwhen I transfer the fuel to the new tank that will be installed in about one week.
Feb 10, 2009 - 08:19 pm - Has anyone used the GCF F-1 in a fuel polishing or secondary filter application?
Feb 12, 2009 - 08:37 am - I use a Gulf Coast F-1. It is a bit large. A friend mounted his on a hinge so he could tip it forward to get clearance to change the roll of paper tow...
Feb 12, 2009 - 08:53 am - Jeff,Where did you get your filter, and how much did it cost?Frank
Feb 12, 2009 - 06:49 pm - Frank,I really don't recall. It's been over 5 years. I originally bought it for my previous boat.I saw your post about the F-1 Jr. I'd have to go sear...
Feb 13, 2009 - 09:48 am - Jeff,After I made my last post on this thread I did some checking around, and I could find no local dealer, so I called the company. They are not adve...
Feb 13, 2009 - 09:05 pm - Thanks for a wonderful thread. As the new owner of new fuel tanks + rebuilt engine, seems like I definitely want to replace every linear inch of f...
Feb 14, 2009 - 08:25 pm - Randy, In that pile of parts and spares there is a extra Racor fuel filter. I intended to mount it with a valve to change the filter on the fly from ...
Feb 27, 2009 - 02:37 pm - Does anyone have a recommendation on vacuum gauges that are reliable and not terribly expensive?Frank
Mar 01, 2009 - 06:03 am - Try Cruising Solutions
Mar 01, 2009 - 06:05 pm - Frank,The Vacuum gauge I used was not very expensive. I ordered it from Everafter Marine. You can call Ron and Melisssa at 727-744-4906 and ask them f...
Mar 03, 2009 - 01:31 pm - Ever After sells a gauge for $40. I could not find a gauge on the Cruising Solutions site.Frank
Mar 03, 2009 - 06:06 pm - Frank,Be sure to go with a high quality gauge as the last thing you want is a guage failure that allows you to draw air into your fuel system.Don
Apr 15, 2009 - 08:19 pm - George,I finally measured the flow rate. It seems to be about 35 - 40 GPH. Sorry for the delay.Don
Jul 08, 2009 - 01:33 am - Don, thank your for measuring the flow rate. The pump I bought at an auto supply last year has a flow of 20 gph. My 37-gallon tank only has about 18 g...
Jul 08, 2009 - 06:19 pm - George,Here is some additional food for thought. I always top off my tanks. The reason is to prevent condensation in the tank where there is air in pl...
Jul 08, 2009 - 09:12 pm - Randy, in that pile of spares is a vaccum gage for the fuel lines.(along with the extra Racor). Just remembered. Ken
Jul 09, 2009 - 01:51 pm - The main thing I've heard is to keep the fuel tanks topped off. It also keeps you from running out.Thanks Ken for the info. I'll be on the lookout for...
Jul 09, 2009 - 10:06 pm - Don,You are correct about the preference to top off the fuel tank to reduce the chance of condensation. However, in an effort to prove for my own sati...
Jul 13, 2009 - 05:55 pm - George,I set my vacuum gauge measurement for filter replacement with the following method. I set the fuel system to run and started the engine. I then...
Jul 16, 2009 - 07:15 am - I have a very rudimentary system for polishing fuel. I have valves on the system to add a fuel pump (for the diesel heater) after the filters. I added...

Green Or Pink Anti-freeze For The Rebuilt Perkins?   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Dec 03, 2008 - 01:28 pm - I don't get very much clear feedback on this topic locally in the upper Texas Coast area.What antifreeze is best to use overall, in contemplation of e...
Dec 03, 2008 - 07:25 pm - I would stay with th green.I doubt the two would mix.if ey did by accident in my opinion it would ruin your cooling system.
Dec 04, 2008 - 07:13 am - Thanks Eugene,Will do. Green it is. That makes me feel comfortable.Randy
Dec 04, 2008 - 10:43 am - I use rust inhibitor mixed in water in lieu of antifreeze.Specific heat of H2O alone is 1.0. Dilution with glycol (antifreeze) reduces the heat absorp...
Dec 06, 2008 - 07:40 am - The color is not really indicative of the chemical content. Prestone makes an antifreeze which is green but is marketed as environmentally safe as it ...
Mar 05, 2009 - 01:08 pm - Okay, new information to report, fellow Westailors.Was just reading book How to Repair Diesel Engines, by Paul Dempsey, 1976. He writes at p. 104 that...

Grounding Question, Perkins 4108 (& Fuel Tank)   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Mar 28, 2008 - 10:55 pm - ok, previous owner has the engine block grounding via a wire (actually via 2" metal strip x 2) to... somewhere on the hull! batteries and (aluminu...
Mar 30, 2008 - 09:24 pm - Expect electrolysis on the aluminum fuel tank if you have it electrically connected to the engine or the batteries.A 2" wide copper strip usually ...
Mar 30, 2008 - 10:14 pm - Thanks Bud- As I thought, will disconnect PO's ground wire from site tube to hull- I have thoroughly read your excellent breakdown of the various grou...
Apr 09, 2008 - 07:21 pm - Hoping to 'revive' this post- Who out there knows diesels in general and the Perkins (4108) specifically? This installation is a couple of owners back...
Apr 09, 2008 - 11:09 pm - Brian,OK, you have a system setup on the fully "bonded" principal (read about it in Calder's Boatowners Electrical and Mechanical Manuel). The...
Apr 09, 2008 - 11:37 pm - Thanks as always, Aaron- you've got me on the page and pointed in the right direction!
Apr 09, 2008 - 11:50 pm - All,Just to correct myself, that's the "grounded" principal. Bonding is for lighting protection, grounding is for electrical systems. When a b...

Has Any Kind Person Got A 4108 Shop Manual On Cd   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jan 18, 2005 - 05:05 pm - Hi allHas anyone got a 4108 shop manual to download or buy on cd?.Many thanksJoe
Jan 19, 2005 - 08:48 am - Hey JoeHave you ever tried ebay?http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4519552618&ca tegory=26453&sspagena...
Jan 19, 2005 - 12:46 pm - Hello JeffMany thanks for the link. Yes I do use ebay, but live in the UK and postage is therefore expensive. I can get the paper one in the UK, but w...

Hour Meter Installation Report   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Nov 09, 2009 - 06:12 pm - The boat received a new hour meter to coincide with the new engine. It seemed a little bit of a daunting task till a friend gave me pointers. Now it s...

How Much Hourse Power Is Enough?   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jun 10, 2004 - 04:58 pm - Hi,I just bought my W32 last month and have many questions. I have a Albin engine last seems to start and run just fine. It only seems to move the boa...
Jun 12, 2004 - 09:08 am - Robert,I have seen a few Westsail 32's with the Albin engine, but I am afraid it does not have enough power to handle the 20,000 lb. boat in anything ...

HP Is Not The Main Factor - Discussion - How To Chose An Engine ?   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jan 17, 2005 - 07:34 am - Hi All,I have read most things I can find on the power plant suitability for a westsail 32. I notice Bud's comments re displacment in Cubic Inches.If ...
Jan 17, 2005 - 07:40 am - Sorry, not sure how to edit the above - a typo slipped in :-) ... Torque = (Horse Power quoted divided by the RPM at which the manufacturer quotes tha...
Jan 18, 2005 - 09:54 am - If you are still pondering the above, let me give you an embarassing situation I found myself in 30 years ago... it makes the point - I hope.. :-)I wo...
Apr 02, 2006 - 07:40 am - Has anyone installed a new 54 Hp Yanmar in a W-32? Any tips,suggestions, prop size, exhaust size,gear reduction,etc? How about using the new dripless ...
Apr 02, 2006 - 07:43 pm - Skip, That engine would give you plenty of power for the W32, but the problem would be in fitting it into the space available. Also since the rear pad...

Hydralign Feathering Prop   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jan 27, 2009 - 07:11 pm - Anybody tried one of these? They are made in Australia and look just like a maxprop.Price for a 3 blade 16" is about $1850 US which is a bit less ...

Impeller Replacement   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jul 31, 2006 - 08:48 pm - As a general rule, how often should the impeller be replaced on a Perkins 4-107 engine? I don't want to wait for it to come apart in a tight situation...
Jul 31, 2006 - 09:43 pm - Terry, It should be replaced at least once a year, especially if you do not run the engine much. The impeller blades do harden up, and if they crack a...
Jul 31, 2006 - 11:17 pm - Not a good thing! I'll try to do it in the next couple of weeks! I read about a "run-dry" impeller -- know anything about them?
Aug 01, 2006 - 05:44 pm - The "run-dry" impeller is made from a material that will withstand short periods of no water lubrication, whereas the standard impellers heat ...
Aug 02, 2006 - 08:20 am - Found a source online at http://www.reddenmarine.com
Oct 19, 2006 - 11:08 pm - Just talked to my mechanic, and he said he's seen a lot of problems with the blue run-dry impellers -- said they tend to break off vanes, and he doesn...
Oct 21, 2006 - 12:56 am - Bud, would this once a year change out on the impeller apply to the Perkins 4-108 as well??bgs
Oct 22, 2006 - 05:03 pm - Brian, Probably so if you want to avoid overheating problems.

Is There Anybody Out There? Enginless WS 32 Experience   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jul 10, 2007 - 11:08 pm - Is there anybody out there? Is there anybody out there who as actually sailed a WS 32 enginless? As in to save a ton of weight, that kind of enginless...
Jul 16, 2007 - 08:53 am - Hey Randy,We cruised Wandering Albatross engineless for four months last year between St. Thomas and Trinidad. This experience was a result of a part ...
May 21, 2008 - 12:50 am - Thanks, and apologies for the late reply, but my newly purchased w32 SATORI and I have decided exactly what you have concluded, although on a much mor...

It Finally Happened...   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Apr 08, 2006 - 10:44 am - After almost 30 years of happy sailing & motoring, our trusty Perkins 4108 finally gave out... Luckily it happened at the dock instead of out som...
Apr 09, 2006 - 06:33 am - Fred,Where are you getting the work done? If you need help with the tow, I have a friend down there who could help. He is an ex sea-tow franchise owne...
Apr 09, 2006 - 09:28 am - Fred:Please keep us advised on your new adventure in boating. I have an old engine also that will need help -- sooner or later.Jay
Apr 09, 2006 - 12:17 pm - I'm planning on taking the boat to Diamond 99 Marina near Pineda Causeway and having David Carter do the work. He has kept her running for the last t...
Apr 09, 2006 - 08:04 pm - I would hip tie your dinghy to the boat and go down the grand canal. Then you could sail to diamond 99 and use the dink to get you in.Works great with...
Jun 12, 2006 - 12:43 pm - Well I ended up not having to move the boat - the water is still very low (maybe Alberto will help w/ that) So David brought over his chain winch and...
Aug 08, 2006 - 08:59 pm - Hey Fred,If you can, document the process with photos and your comments, as above, and then send them to both Christie and I at the addresses on the m...
Sep 20, 2006 - 11:22 am - Hi Fred, Thanks for the posting. 30 years: awesome. I am a new WOA member in the market for a W32 and considering engine options. P4-108 is my first c...
Sep 29, 2006 - 01:21 am - The "new" Perk!More soon...
Oct 01, 2006 - 09:27 am - Looks good!Good luck with her.....Rich
Oct 01, 2006 - 12:48 pm - Thanks, Rich, can't wait to get it back in the boat, except now I think my starboard fuel tank is leaking and am considering replacement - now would b...
Oct 01, 2006 - 09:26 pm - Damn Perdy !!!
Oct 06, 2006 - 06:35 am - I'll be down there in a couple of months and if you need some help I could be coerced.drop me an email toolowd AT aol DOT com and I will let you know ...
Oct 10, 2006 - 11:44 am - Thanks, Rich, for the offer - I'll let you know - I just ordered new fuel tanks (see my thread on "In the yard: Removing orig. fuel tanks) - I sho...
Oct 29, 2006 - 09:59 pm - Fred,I live down in Miami, but wouldn't mind taking a trip up the coast some weekend for a chance to dig around in a W32 and listen to you talk about ...
Nov 20, 2006 - 11:51 am - Aaron,If you get as far as Melbourne consider pushing on to Titusville (25 -30 mi.) for a tour of Maccine.She is currently up on the hard undergoing b...
Dec 04, 2006 - 09:32 pm - If you don't mind my asking, what was the final total cost of the rebuild?
Dec 10, 2006 - 12:11 pm - The engine ended up costing a little more than the estimate of $4500.00 because when he got into it, it needed more new parts than originally thought ...
Jan 03, 2007 - 09:41 am - Now that the holidays have come & gone, I finally have some time to finish this little project - I've just finished installing new fuel lines, and...
Jan 03, 2007 - 03:24 pm - Fred, Not really. The tabs are for grounding wires from the deck fill for tanks used with gasolene to prevent a spark from igniting the gas vapors. Th...
Jan 03, 2007 - 03:56 pm - Thanks, Bud, I really didn't want to have to do that wiring work again, but just wanted to be sure it's not really neccesary... I'll post some more pi...

Kiwi Feathering Prop On W32?   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Sep 10, 2008 - 11:42 am - Anybody used one of these? Seems like an economical alternative....
Sep 10, 2008 - 07:31 pm - There is a W32 owner in Seattle that put one on. Contact me and I will give you his contact info.
Sep 10, 2008 - 08:59 pm - Cheers Bud - will do!
Oct 09, 2008 - 08:44 pm - Hey Gary and Charlotte,Please post any information to your brethen Westsailors. I am very interested in the Kiwi prop for several reasons, as you are....
Oct 14, 2008 - 05:07 pm - I've been looking at the Kiwi prop for a couple of years now. Contacted a guy off another site that has been cruising for quite a few years and used t...
Oct 15, 2008 - 09:40 am - Hi Jeff,What a funny coincidence. You are interested in the Kiwi prop and the Campbell Sailor Prop, as am I. In fact, prior owners installed the Campb...
Oct 15, 2008 - 09:58 pm - I was never able to contact the owner with the kiwi prop..I also have a 16x16 michigan wheel on my boat - beta 1505 motor. It will rev to 3000rpm in n...
Oct 16, 2008 - 07:56 am - Gary,That's about what I'm seeing. I'm going to haul out next April for about 3 or 4 months and will re-pitch then. If you do it sooner I'd be interes...
Oct 16, 2008 - 12:56 pm - My prop shop recommends that under load the engine should get about 80 percent of the maximum RPM that it will do out of gear. I believe that the Beta...
Oct 16, 2008 - 03:54 pm - Bud - why would you not want to get max HP out of the engine? The Beta developes its rated horsepower at 3000 rpm if I recall correctly.
Oct 16, 2008 - 05:04 pm - I'll go out sometime in the next few weeks to double check, but if I remember correctly I was topping out speed at 2200 to 2300 RPM and at about 2400 ...
Jan 26, 2010 - 09:25 pm - Just noticed that I have had experience with the old three blade prop now in some challenging seas to compare to the Campbell Sailor Prop (also used i...
Jan 26, 2010 - 09:51 pm - Just did some rough math, trying to figure out how long it would take to recover the cost of say a Maxprop in fuel savings. Assuming a motoring cruisi...
Jan 27, 2010 - 07:37 pm - I guess my prop is the 16x13 pitch. Whatever it is, it works great.

Lift Pump Perkins 4.108   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Apr 23, 2008 - 01:41 pm - Purged engine several times as per manual. She runs 3 to 5 min and then needs to be purged again. I finally addeed a bulb pump just after the Racor fi...
Apr 24, 2008 - 09:29 am - Could also be a loose fitting, or a gasket on the filter, letting air into the system. The bulb pump or an electric pump should be installed before th...

Lift Pump Perkins 4.108   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Apr 23, 2008 - 01:45 pm - Purged engine several times as per manual. She runs 3 to 5 min and then needs to be purged again. I finally addeed a bulb pump just after the Racor fi...

MD11c Heatexchanger Pump?   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Feb 19, 2008 - 02:14 pm - I have located a heat exchanger for my engine and have to plumb it in. I am looking for info on a raw water pump to plumb into my raw system. Does any...
Feb 19, 2008 - 08:17 pm - The Volvo MD11C is normally sea water cooled, and has a single shaft driven water pump. There was an aftermarket shaft driven double pump available, b...
Apr 29, 2008 - 10:04 pm - You can still get the shaft driven double pump. When I had my volvo, I purchased a new one from Marelco in seattle. They gave me great service. They k...
Apr 29, 2008 - 10:05 pm - Oh, and I think the double pump on the shaft is the best way to go. It makes everything easier.Good luck with it.Steve
May 27, 2008 - 05:10 am - I just took delivery of a closed cooling system for my MD17C. This came from a company in Sweden. (Martec)Follow the attached link and click the Marte...

MD11C Loosing Power Under Load   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Oct 12, 2008 - 07:58 pm - Hello All Good Diesel Mechanics and Enthusiasts! Namaste's MD11C works perfectly when not engaged, holds the revs for hours (I've only run it for one ...
Oct 12, 2008 - 08:25 pm - Have you check to see if your injectors are working properly?
Oct 12, 2008 - 08:28 pm - Your mechanical fuel pump is dead. At least that's what happened to me. Put a small electric fuel pump in line, activated by the key when the engine i...
Oct 12, 2008 - 08:29 pm - No, I haven't touched the injectors... How do I check?
Oct 12, 2008 - 08:48 pm - Ken, that was my first thought, but the engine is running well with no load (hi or low revs) so where it gets the fuel from if the pump is dead?You ar...
Oct 12, 2008 - 10:24 pm - The injectors are supposed to be serviced every season, you can find a local diesel shop that can test them, if they are fine it is at least a peace o...
Oct 12, 2008 - 10:36 pm - Kendall, from what you are saying looks like my injectors are due for their annual service, which I am going to duly perform... will have to eliminate...
Oct 12, 2008 - 10:37 pm - Wojciech - this kind of thing happened to me a lot when I was getting the MD6A back to life (it was under the boat on a pallet for maybe 10 years). It...
Oct 13, 2008 - 12:08 am - Colleen, Thank you for your thoughts. I have already found a good diesel mechanic who will do the checking for me... and thanks for your advice on Vol...
Oct 13, 2008 - 06:03 am - WojciechDead was perhaps too strong a word. When I had troubles like yours I had the injectors serviced and it helped a little, for a while. Had the i...
Oct 13, 2008 - 08:02 am - Ken, I will remove the fuel pump and test it. I have a small electric fuel pump that I've been using to clean the fuel in the tank. I am going to plum...
Oct 13, 2008 - 07:41 pm - Wojciech -That's exactly where I got the fuel pump I put in. Used it to clean/recirculate fuel. All I did was cut the line and stick it in. If it does...
Oct 16, 2008 - 12:18 am - Wojciech,Your description does sound like the engine is getting starved for fuel. Possibly the mechanical pump is just not functioning up to par. In w...
Oct 16, 2008 - 07:44 am - George, thanks for your input. I am just coming back from my boat and I think it is the mechanical pump. In order to diagnose the problem I have start...
Oct 16, 2008 - 11:47 am - Another thing you can do is check for restrictions in the lines by bypassing filters. If there is a restriction in one of the compontents it will free...
Oct 16, 2008 - 09:32 pm - Thanks Kendall, this is what I just did. The experiment with the bottle has clearly pointed on to the fuel pump. I have another one that is working, w...
Oct 16, 2008 - 11:52 pm - I just use my electric pump to bleed the lines. my electric pump clacks if it goes behond pressure, the system will handle the pressure as long as the...
Dec 25, 2008 - 03:15 pm - I've got exact same symptoms (BTW, bought Kendall's boat)for same model engine. What is outcome?
Dec 30, 2008 - 05:55 am - Joe,Congratulations! Gulliver is a fine looking Westsail. What will be her home port?GeorgeW28 s/v Wings of the MorningDickinson, TX
Dec 30, 2008 - 06:33 am - Joe,I've ended up going thru every piece of gear between the fuel tank and the fine fuel filter on the engine. I've replaced the intake tube in the ta...
Jan 06, 2009 - 01:12 am - Home port is Eureka, California.Congrat's on the fix! Kendall, Gulliver's previous owner, had me test the intake tube. I removed an access plug on top...
Mar 27, 2009 - 10:46 pm - It was the Racor. There was a screw (!) stuck in the intake side of a 90 degree elbow of the Racor R24S filter top.

MD2B Again -- Making Noise.   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Oct 08, 2008 - 07:59 pm - Hi:After a 3 hour motor last sunday, the engine developed a loud ticking. Here is a long link to a short movie of the engine in 2003 and last sunday 2...
Oct 08, 2008 - 08:21 pm - that is probably lifter and tappet noise.does that engine have solid lifters? Maybe need to be adjusted.
Oct 09, 2008 - 09:08 am - Rich: I'm not sure on the lifter type, I 'll have to check.I can add that the oil pressure and temp were all normal before and during the noise event....
Oct 09, 2008 - 01:34 pm - The lifters are rods, and they sometimes get bent.
Oct 09, 2008 - 04:09 pm - Bud,I have heard of this happening. Seems that a bad exhaust elbow can cause this?rich
Oct 11, 2008 - 07:39 am - Sounds like I'll have to remove the valve covers and take a look.Jay
Oct 18, 2008 - 09:05 pm - At the boat today, I first cranked the engine by hand w/o any compression on ... and no noise. So I ran the engine from idle to fast idle and the tick...
Nov 29, 2008 - 07:29 am - Well, the end has finally arrived for the MD2B. I'm repowering Pygmalion and will start a thread in the "In the Yard" section.Jay

MD2B Cooling Question   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Feb 06, 2005 - 09:32 am - HI:While I was checking out the charging system and after a few minutes of running the engine, I felt the head of the engine and noticed that the surf...
Feb 07, 2005 - 12:38 pm - Hi JayNot sure if the MD2B is seawater cooled or freshwater cooled?.. if seawater cooled, let me know, I can advise the flushing procedure.If freshwat...
Feb 07, 2005 - 01:14 pm - I forgot to mention the it is sea water cooled.
Feb 08, 2005 - 07:38 am - Hi JayNo probs,The first step to flushing, (even though it seems like a fairly minor silt/corrosion problem it's worth doing) - is to back flush the e...
Feb 08, 2005 - 10:02 am - HI Joe:Where are the cooling zinc's access points located?Jay
Feb 08, 2005 - 02:21 pm - Hi Jay, not even sure if the MD2B even HAS zincs.Again, check with Volvo if possible.? There may be an addon kit or mod. If fitted, they are sometimes...
Feb 08, 2005 - 02:24 pm - Oh, forgot to add Jay, Plasticine or similar (Kid's play dough stuff) is great for sealing pipes into block, thermostat, or head holes :-)Joe.
Feb 09, 2005 - 12:07 am - zinc is a pencil type. looks like a drain plug (and is) on the underside of the exhaust manifold.

MD2B Filters   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jul 11, 2005 - 08:52 pm - I am looking for a replacment element for the secondary fuel filter. I have a manual indicating its a Bosch FJSJ 32 U7, but I have tried all internet...
Jul 12, 2005 - 05:00 pm - Jesse, I use Baldwin fuel filters in my MD3B.The part number is PF986.You can order them online from any Baldwin supplier.MD1B,MD2B and MD3B all use t...
Jul 12, 2005 - 10:20 pm - Lee, Thanks, I just ordered one.

Muffler Setup   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Apr 18, 2008 - 01:42 pm - We are installing the muffler for our W32/Betamarine 1505 setup.I have a question about how far vertically the drop needs to be from the top of the hi...
Apr 18, 2008 - 01:48 pm - Check out my thread "Perkins reinstallation" for pics of the loop from the new muffler to the engine - it's pretty high, at least 16"... I...
Apr 18, 2008 - 02:01 pm - OK - that makes sense. Did you have it custom made Fred? Is it just galvanised pipe?
Apr 18, 2008 - 02:44 pm - Anybody know what the minimum drop should be?
Apr 18, 2008 - 02:53 pm - Yes, Gary, the mechanic that rebuilt my engine made it up in his shop and I'm pretty sure it's galvanized steel (at least that's what it looks like to...
Apr 18, 2008 - 03:00 pm - Thanks a ton Fred
Apr 20, 2008 - 12:45 pm - Anybody have a very short drop from the exhaust manifold to the muffler? Also, what is a safe distance lengthwise from the water injection point to th...
Apr 21, 2008 - 08:32 am - Here's another photo of the new muffler installation on my boat...
Apr 21, 2008 - 10:27 am - Gary,When I installed my Beta 1505 I used the optional highrise mixing elbow. My muffler is located on a small shelf that I glassed in above the shaft...
Apr 21, 2008 - 10:48 am - Jeff - I have the optional high rise mixing elbow also.Is your muffler entrance level or lower than your exhaust manifold exit?Thanks for all the help
Apr 21, 2008 - 11:52 am - Gary,It's lower. I'll measure tonight and post tomorrow morning.Jeff
Apr 21, 2008 - 12:02 pm - Thanks JeffFred - looks like you have the "by the book" setup, very nice
Apr 22, 2008 - 08:46 am - Gary,The vertical drop from the exit of the mixing elbow to the entrance of the waterlift muffler is about 7.5" The muffler that I'm using is the ...
Apr 22, 2008 - 12:10 pm - Thanks a lot for that Jeff.I bought a piece of schedule 40 SS tube and we are going to cut the beta high rise pipe and weld this in. This will give me...
Apr 22, 2008 - 06:59 pm - Gary,Did you check out my Westsail Service Manual on waterlift mufflers?
Apr 22, 2008 - 10:19 pm - ummmmm......not lately But I will be sure to read it again tonight!

New Fuel Formulation   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Oct 17, 2006 - 10:08 pm - I understand that the government is requiring diesel fuel to have very low sulphur content in order to improve air quality. I got a mailer today from ...

Nissan Engine   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Feb 05, 2005 - 09:12 am - We recently purchased W-43 hull #19. The original Nissan SD22 engine has only 2,500 hours, but seems to be a bit tired. We're considering a rebuild, a...

Oil Filter Conversion   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Mar 14, 2006 - 10:16 pm - Is there a way to convert from using a cartridge-type filter to a spin-on on a Perkins 4-107? If so is it expensive or difficult to install?
Nov 21, 2006 - 02:28 am - Gee Terry, I was hoping someone would not only answer your question but give the exact part numbers for the conversion. I have the same engine with th...

Oil Pressure Gauge   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Mar 29, 2006 - 07:37 pm - My oil pressure gauge seems to read backwards -- before I start the engine (Perkins 4-107) the needle is resting on the high side, and then drops to a...

OK Now I've Got Questions! (perkins 4.108)   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Apr 08, 2007 - 09:08 pm - ok, every bone in my body is sore- i don't believe engine compartments on any boat are built for us tall guys...BUT, i did manage to accomplish a fair...
Apr 09, 2007 - 08:15 am - Try an LED headlight instead of a flashlight. That would at least be one thing less to have to try to hold. I' ve started using them at work and at ho...
Apr 13, 2007 - 10:17 pm - Facing aft, you turn the locking nut clockwise to loosen it. Turn the packing clockwise to tighten the stuffing. Then turn the locking nut back counte...
Apr 14, 2007 - 03:16 pm - Thanks Bud- I've spent enough $$ on the wrong tools..will exchange for the right ones! Tho I am getting a couple drips/minute, and shaft/stuff box sta...
Apr 14, 2007 - 04:01 pm - It should not drip at all. Try putting in new teflon impregnated 3/6" packing, and tighten hand tight to stop drips. Then tighten the locking nut....
Apr 14, 2007 - 04:23 pm - OK, now I'm REALLY confused- thought the goal here wasanywhere from a couple drips a minute (low end consensus)to as much as 8 - 10 per minute (shaft ...
Apr 14, 2007 - 04:29 pm - Important on a high RPM shaft, such as on a power boat, with the shaft turning over 2000 to 4000 RPM. Since you are running at probably 1800 to 2000 R...
Apr 14, 2007 - 04:37 pm - Thanks Bud- then just to clarify, with the Perkins 4108 running at anything up to 2,000 rpms or so... and with the 2:1 reduction... I'm OK to run with...
Apr 15, 2007 - 09:52 am - I think so, as long as you have not cranked down the packing nut. However if you are concerned, let her drip.
Apr 15, 2007 - 12:50 pm - I have recently taken my shaft out to measure for a maxprop. I had ordianary flax packing and no drip. Everything was fine. No wear at the stuffing bo...
Apr 15, 2007 - 05:36 pm - Thanks Bud, Rich- Moral here: 'If it ain't broke'...2nd Moral: 'Ask before ye buy all the wrong tools and try and fix that which is not broken'...Rich...
Apr 27, 2008 - 08:16 am - My boat has a dripless stuffing box installed, and a "normal" one in a box as backup. I have never used a dripless box and it has me a bit wor...
Apr 27, 2008 - 08:41 am - Brian, sorry I didn't see the post until now.It was about 4 years and 3 bahamas trips.rich

OT: Battery Over Charging By The Alternator   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jan 31, 2005 - 09:13 pm - HI:I suspect that I have an over charging situation on my WS 32 with a MD2B Volvo.Currently, I have 2 wet cell group 24 starting batteries on 2 separa...
Feb 01, 2005 - 07:12 am - Hello JayBasically, if the output of the alternator is 15V then the regulator is ker-Nackered... (but check the sense wire circuit for corrosion or po...
Feb 01, 2005 - 04:34 pm - Thanks Joe for the reply. I'll be checking the voltage closely this weekend.I'll be purchasing a house battery before cruising for more the a day or s...
Feb 01, 2005 - 04:36 pm - Also is there better regulators to use on this alternator? I see external regulators available in West Marine catalog.
Feb 01, 2005 - 06:07 pm - Hello Jay, imho the regulator on the alternator 'should' be fine if working correctly. The only real difference between a 'marine' regulator and an au...
Feb 04, 2005 - 04:07 pm - I love electrical systems! I also like things to work by themselves with as little direct user intervention as possible. Therefore, I can recommend yo...
Feb 06, 2005 - 07:25 am - we have one from Yandina.com they make combiners (or used to) for west marine. sometimes you can get a refurb from them cheap.Rich
Feb 06, 2005 - 09:19 am - Hi and thanks for all the suggestions:Just back from the boat and things are looking better the I first thought.I checked the alternator output with a...
Feb 06, 2005 - 10:44 am - Hi JayGreat stuff, if the output is 14.4, then that shows the reg is OK. !. if the original problematic 15V reading was from the panel meter then the ...
Feb 06, 2005 - 05:43 pm - Joe:Thanks for the comments, I'll hold on the combiner. The meter was overreading by -- me actually as I read a 15 instead of the 14. poor light, bad ...

Perkins 4-108 And Other Equipment Manuals Online   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Apr 12, 2007 - 09:50 am - While looking for info on a Wilcox Crittenden Head-Mate I found this site with Perkins and many other equipment manuals online that may interest some ...
Jan 28, 2009 - 09:32 am - George,Thanks so much for the awesome information. I was just checking old topics on the board and found your great advice again. Very useful informat...
Apr 18, 2009 - 01:28 pm - Just a thought to throw out there, saving the manuals from the fuji site to DVD-ROM would be a good way to save them on the off chance that site goes ...

Perkins 4-108 Engine Hours   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Mar 18, 2005 - 11:48 am - Hello,How many hours of life can you expect from a Perkins 4-108 engine? At what point should it be reconditioned? What does it mean to be recondition...
Mar 18, 2005 - 01:06 pm - Good day Eva:Some where between 50 and 4800 Hr depending on how it was taken care of. care is much more important than run time.when the engine starts...
Mar 20, 2005 - 06:31 pm - Eva,The best one to pose the question to is Marcus, at Trans Atlantic Diesel in VA. They are a Perkins distributor, and very good and experienced. Pho...

Perkins 4-108 Heat Exchanger For Sale On E-Bay   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Aug 09, 2004 - 03:35 pm - In case anyone needs one I see there is a new Perkins 4108 heat exchanger being offered on eBay:http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt...

Perkins 4-108 Leaking Oil?   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jan 21, 2007 - 01:28 pm - I am a new owner of a W32 and not very familiar with deisel engine maintainance and repair.After purchasing the boat we took a short cruise, during wh...
Jan 21, 2007 - 03:18 pm - A professional rebuild is a much abused phrase,meaning a lot of different things to different people. The Perkins engine company has the distinction o...
Jan 21, 2007 - 06:49 pm - Thanks for your reply Chris. If it is the rear seal it, sounds like the engine has to come out to repair properly.Are you aware of any other routine/p...
Jan 21, 2007 - 09:15 pm - You are correct in your assumption that the engine has to come out to replace the seal. Seal failure is just a fair wear and tear thing.There are synt...
Jan 22, 2007 - 09:30 am - The boat is in dry storage in solomons, MD. The plan is to sail and motor, via the Hudson R., Erie and Trent-Severn canal systems, up to lake Superior...
Jan 22, 2007 - 09:31 am - On advice from a competent Perkins mechanic one time, he said that since the oil pan seals are split, they are difficult to get properly installed. Hi...
Jan 22, 2007 - 09:49 am - Dave,You want to be sure that the mechanic you are going to work with is experienced with marine Perkins. How far and what are you prepared to spend t...
Jan 22, 2007 - 11:17 am - Dave,Dave,As far as some of the things to check out if and when your engine is removed for repairs, rebuild take a look at Rod Lawsons website, just t...
Jan 22, 2007 - 02:12 pm - Yes, I found the thread on Rod Lawson's rebuild. I asked him how it turned out and he said that his engine still leaks oil. He has become a convert to...
Jan 23, 2007 - 12:46 pm - David, Contact me directly by email, and I will quote you costs. Don't want to do it here on the bulletin board.
Jan 24, 2007 - 07:43 am - There is a decent mechanic in the Solomons at the end of Back Creek just past Spring Cove Marina. The business is called Drum Point Marine and is run ...
Jan 24, 2007 - 11:36 pm - I heard from the mechanic today (I've been waiting since Oct.)and he found the connection for the oil pressure/temp. sensors broken off at the block (...
Jan 25, 2007 - 03:04 pm - Dave,Hope it works out for you>CB

Perkins 4-108 Parts   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jul 06, 2008 - 10:20 pm - Can someone point me to the right place for Perkins 4-108 parts. I need a new solenoid for the starter motor --- had to jump it today to get back into...
Jul 07, 2008 - 09:37 am - Ralph,Any local diesel repair shop ought to be able to get parts. Pretty much everyone services Perkins. If you can't find one, my local shop can sure...
Jul 07, 2008 - 08:53 pm - Aaron:Thanks for the response. Yes, looks like I can get most everything I need around here. Never have trouble getting parts to fix the Perkins in th...
Aug 27, 2008 - 10:35 am - Ralph,I going through similar issues.Sorry to advise you the fact is Perkins quit manufacturing it's marine accessories for 4-108s several years ago. ...
Aug 27, 2008 - 04:50 pm - Randy:I had the engine inspected by a diesel mechanic in Jacksonville last April as part of the purchase process for our WS32. He has a number of 4-10...
Aug 28, 2008 - 01:26 am - Randy,Sorry to hear you are encountering problems getting parts. Two companies that might be worth checking with are Hayes Couplings (http://www.hayes...
Sep 02, 2008 - 08:55 am - George,Thanks for the information and links. I'll try to save to old Perkins as I do not anticipate needing the various parts that I understand are no...

Perkins 4-108 Question   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Mar 03, 2008 - 07:57 pm - Please look at your coolant pressure cap and tell me how many pounds it is rated at. Mine is 7 lbs. I am constantly losing coolant fluid and I am pret...
Mar 28, 2008 - 12:27 pm - My mechanic advised me to replace the original 7lb. cap with a 16 lb. cap - I was having the same problem with the cooling fluid running out of the ov...
Mar 28, 2008 - 10:10 pm - Mine says 50 kilopascals, which is 7 pounds. We've not had issues, but our coils are in good, clean shape.On another note Don, the engine is in the bo...

Perkins 4-108 Slightly Off Topic.   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Feb 10, 2006 - 08:39 pm - Hi:Sunday, I am looking at a friends boat (a slocum 40?) that has a Perkins 4-108 that was run out of fuel.Now of course it will not start but it is r...
Feb 12, 2006 - 02:00 pm - I have a copy of the Perkins Workshop Manual for the 4-107, 4-108 engines, which has the bleeding procedure on Pages N-8 and N-9.
Feb 12, 2006 - 09:02 pm - Thanks Bud and Tom for your replies and offers of help.I worked with the engine today and it really needs a new ring gear and starter before anything ...

Perkins 4-108/Velvet Drive Configuration   (Active)   Show Entire Thread

Apr 11, 2011 - 10:08 pm - I am getting ready to install a Perkins 4-108 with a Borg Warner Velvet Drive transmission in my 1974 Westsail 32. As the engine that I have did not c...

Perkins 4-236 Impeller   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Dec 07, 2005 - 06:10 pm - We recently purchased the boat and I want to change the sea water impeller, primarily for the experience. Can anyone out there give me the model numbe...
Dec 10, 2005 - 05:53 am - Don't buy by any number. Take the impeller out and take it in to a shop that has one. Buy it, put the new one in to make sure if fits and use it. Then...

Perkins 4-236 Manual   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Aug 08, 2005 - 07:49 pm - I am missing Section C (Maintenance and Operation) of my Perkins 4-236 manual, for our new to us Westsail 42. The most important section! If there is ...

Perkins 4108 Antifreeze Drain??   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Oct 01, 2008 - 10:21 pm - Hey all, OK, Orion is two years old to me... time this year as I winterize to drain and add new antifreeze to the freshwater side... But can't find fo...
Oct 03, 2008 - 02:22 pm - No responses yet, so I'll update with 'Part II' : Unscrewed the one plug, lower aft on the heat exchanger (which looks suspciously like it was maybe o...
Jan 24, 2009 - 10:21 am - Sorry, Brian,I just had my older Perkins rebuilt (1974) and have no idea how to drain the coolant. The engine is new to me. I can tell you, however, t...
Jan 24, 2009 - 10:53 am - I think we have a different model perkins, different heat exchanger, Randy- I did finally confirm (after buying several zincs of different sizes) that...
Jan 24, 2009 - 11:04 am - Thanks for the tip on the zinc. My engine spare parts box has a coupld of spares, I believe. Not sure whether they will fit, but will watch out for th...
Jan 24, 2009 - 01:55 pm - If your heat exchanger tank has a rubber closing fitting on each end, with hose clamps holding the ends in place, then the heat exchanger tubes are is...
Jan 25, 2009 - 02:44 pm - Brian -- I have to cut my zincs roughly in half to get them to fit, so give that a try.
Jan 27, 2009 - 03:40 pm - As per Bud, mine is a heat exchanger with rubber fittings at both ends, so shouldn't need- and really has no place to install- a zinc. (But thnx~)
Jan 28, 2009 - 08:28 am - My two cents, after working on the problem awhile.#1 (back to the original question, somewhat), I read in the Perkins' owners' manual that there is a ...
Mar 12, 2009 - 10:49 pm - My Satori has the low line Perkins 4-108. I have also read the owner's manuals and marine diesel manuals published by Perkins, and talked extensivley ...

Perkins 4108 Oil Leak Problems   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Aug 05, 2004 - 09:09 pm - I have a 4108 in my W32. The engine runs perfectly, doesn't blow excessive smoke at start up, nor is there any telltale signs of problems like blue or...
Aug 06, 2004 - 04:31 pm - Rod,Perkins 4-108 engines are notorious for leaking at the front or rear oil pan seals. Try using some of the stop leak stuff available at auto supply...
Dec 16, 2004 - 11:05 pm - An update on my oil leak. It appears that it is the rear main seal. I had a mechanic look at it and he traced it to this location. Thanks for your hel...

Perkins 4108 Overheat   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Mar 12, 2009 - 11:46 pm - I was out last Sunday and at about 2000 rpm my trusty Perkins went above 190 degrees and I noticed a slight reduction in water flow through the exhaus...
Mar 13, 2009 - 07:58 am - David,My 4-108 also has a heat exchanger in the potable hot water heater system. It does assist in cooling the engine. Another issue that you may wish...
Mar 13, 2009 - 02:40 pm - My recent experience, with the low line 4-108 in my W32 (just rebuilt and test run with some minor kinks). It has a day tank or expansion tank some ca...
Mar 14, 2009 - 08:21 am - A modification that we made that helps keep the cool is that we added a coolant reservoir tank above the engine that gravity feeds coolant to the engi...
Mar 15, 2009 - 09:45 am - Thanks for the tip, my boat came equipped with one. So, I'll be sure to reinstall it.
Apr 18, 2009 - 03:48 am - Is anyone using a gridkooler and fresh water in leu of a raw water cooling system?
May 06, 2009 - 03:47 pm - Just a note for future enquiries. I have had the great tip that one should always start with the exterior of the boat and work their way towards the e...

Perkins 4108 Parts?   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Nov 01, 2006 - 09:30 am - OK, so, again, I'm very new to this boat- and to diesels ingenera, Perkins 4108 in specific. Maybe I can find all the parts I'll need locally (Southce...
Nov 01, 2006 - 07:21 pm - Brian, If you cannot find them locally, try the Perkins Engine website. www.perkins.com

Perkins 4108 Water Pump Leak   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jun 15, 2009 - 12:55 am - I suddenly seem to have a slow leak- a drop every thirty seconds or so- of coolant at the base of the water pump. Seal maybe?Or??? Anybody else had th...
Jun 15, 2009 - 12:21 pm - Hey, Brian,If you are talking about the raw water impeller pump on the front of the engine, then, I may have some experience to share. I just got some...
Jun 15, 2009 - 04:15 pm - You have a bad seal and can generally get a kit to rebuild it or have it rebuilt. There is a weep hole in the bottom of the pump casing to let the wat...
Jun 17, 2009 - 11:45 pm - thanks guys- yes don, we're talking freshwater pump (i.e. 50/50 anti freeze), not the saltwater pump (i have done the impeller change, easy as pie the...
Jun 17, 2009 - 11:48 pm - and guess i had better ask... any long term damage i'm causing by running this way in the meantime? (it's a slow damn leak, like a drop every 30 secon...
Jun 18, 2009 - 06:08 am - Brian, Long term damage of a slow leak? Besides the mess and having to top off the system on a regular basis... none. Consider the slow leak a warning...
Jun 18, 2009 - 09:27 am - Depco pump has the pump or can rebuild the pump. Also try your local Perkins dealer.
Jun 18, 2009 - 12:22 pm - LOL- Thanks guys, always appreciate the thoughts, experience and wisdom... But 'local Perkins dealer' in Homer, Alaska... Would be probably Seattle or...
Jun 18, 2009 - 11:22 pm - Depco only sells the saltwater pump, referred me to Perkins only for the freshwater one. just FYI.

Perkins Anti-freeze Question...   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Sep 16, 2007 - 10:44 am - about to winterize here- perkins 4.108- need to know best type coolant (preferably non-toxic variety), roughly how much to buy and where to drain the ...
Sep 16, 2007 - 01:00 pm - Brian, I have been using the low-tox in the fresh water side of the system. During winter lay up, I flush the system (saltwater side) with fresh water...
Sep 16, 2007 - 04:59 pm - Thanks Mike- What brand of 'low tox' anti freeze for the freshwater side? Can you tell me where to drain the old anti-freeze from?Assume by 'RV' antif...
Sep 17, 2007 - 12:24 pm - Brian, Yes, the RV antifreeze is the pink stuff that you can at pretty much any department store. I use the Zerox low tox antifreeze in our engine, bu...

Perkins Control Chafe On Fuel Injector Lines   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jan 28, 2009 - 09:38 am - Oops, my prior post asking for help with throttle linkage was wrong. Sorry. The control I am fighting to re-install is properly called a cable connect...
Jan 28, 2009 - 09:52 am - Just for everyone's information, I just had a phone conference with the mechanic that rebuilt the old Perkins. He answered my question. So, perhaps so...
Jan 31, 2009 - 08:02 pm - I managed to solve the problem with some help from my friends. First, I noticed that the shut-off pull handle had about 1/2" of adjustment in it. ...
Feb 01, 2009 - 01:03 am - Randy,Try to stick a magnet to the return line: it won't hold to the copper. If copper, and the chafe is real bad, you can probably bend it a bit. But...

Perkins Engine Manuals And W32 Build Manual Online   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Feb 01, 2010 - 01:55 am - For anyone who's interested, I just placed three Perkins Engine Manuals online that are available for download. The are as follows...Shop Manual for 4...
Feb 01, 2010 - 05:09 am - Thank you Jack! These will be very helpful.
Feb 01, 2010 - 11:14 am - Just as a clarification...There is a link on my NavReference website (where these manuals reside) to allow someone to purchase them on a disc. Please ...
Feb 02, 2010 - 07:20 am - Jack, Thanks. A great bit of info....Mike

Perkins Re-installation...   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

May 11, 2007 - 11:11 pm - This is the beginning of the re-installation process of the rebuilt Perkins.... First out of the van and onto a handtruck, rolled down the lawn to the...
May 11, 2007 - 11:17 pm - Well I screwed that up, I'll try again...
May 13, 2007 - 04:04 pm - looking good.I'll bet she looks good and on her lines now!Rich
Sep 17, 2007 - 10:00 am - I'm finally getting a chance to follow up on this thread about the reinstallation of my rebuilt '76 Perkins 4108 - Here is David Carter installing th...
Sep 17, 2007 - 12:18 pm - Fred,Do you have a picture showing how you and Dave rigged guys to support the boom? I imagine you used a few lines up to where the stays'l stay attac...
Sep 17, 2007 - 02:49 pm - Aaron, It's easy. Put a loop of rope around the boom even with the forward end of the cockpit. Hook a comealong to the loop. Attach the main halyard a...
Sep 17, 2007 - 06:42 pm - Aaron, there's another thread I started in this category titled "It finally happened" that shows the removal of the engine - everything that c...
Mar 27, 2008 - 08:41 pm - Fred,Thanks for the great information and pics, very helpful.
Sep 14, 2009 - 11:26 am - Fred,Is Dave Carter still around. A friend in the Marina(Westland, Titusville) may need some help on her Perkins 4-108.thanks,scott...S/V Marianne
Sep 15, 2009 - 10:27 am - Hi Scott, Yes, David Carter is still around - I'll find his contact info and report back...
Sep 15, 2009 - 06:50 pm - Fred, it looks like you have a spin-on oil filter on the new engine -- I'd love to put one on my old 4-107. Is it an adapter I could buy?
Sep 18, 2009 - 08:06 am - Hi Terry, I don't know, but I'm sure Bud might... This 4-108 has always had the spin-on filter arrangement...
Sep 19, 2009 - 12:19 pm - Hey Fred,When you're done playing with the goldfish I could really use that contact info...scott
Sep 24, 2009 - 08:25 am - Carter's Marine ServiceMelinda & David Carter4399 N. U.S. 1Melbourne, FL321-693-8008
Sep 25, 2009 - 06:41 am - Thanks Fred.scott

Perkins Rebuild Nightmare   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Feb 28, 2007 - 07:06 pm - I just recieved a price to rebuild our 4-108 and as such almost fell out of my chair at the proposed cost, (please see below). I would appreciate comm...
Feb 28, 2007 - 08:14 pm - Makes more sense to get a new engine for a few thousand more. Remember, any warranty is from the rebuilder, and if you are far away and have a problem...
Mar 02, 2007 - 07:43 am - With reguards to the two items:reman injection pump 942.30reman injectors 139.72I got a quote to overhaul the injector pump and 2 injectors for a Volv...
Mar 05, 2007 - 11:33 am - For the fuel injection pump try Dumas Fuel Injection in Long Beach, CA. They redid mine and gave me two new injectors for much much less than $1000 qu...
Mar 05, 2007 - 06:01 pm - Thanks All,I am going to install a new Yanmar.CB
Mar 06, 2007 - 10:15 am - I had my Perkins 4-108 rebuilt here in Melbourne FL for a total of $5100.00, including re-installation (which will hopefully happen next week...)

Perkins Throttle Linkage   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jan 24, 2009 - 10:30 am - Having installed new throttle cable on the W32 and disconnecting the linkage at the engine, I seem to have forgotten how it was set up and failed to t...
Jan 24, 2009 - 08:32 pm - Randy, you might want to keep the old linkage for a backup. I just replaced it before I left Port L. Not much use in it. Ken
Jan 25, 2009 - 05:23 am - Thanks for the message, Ken. Good to hear from you.I take it you had recently replaced the throttle cable itself. Is that correct? It looked fine, but...
Jan 25, 2009 - 01:14 pm - Randy,I put a new Teleflex/Morse cable on my Perkins 4.108 about three months ago. The fitting screws onto the threaded end of the cable and is secure...
Jan 28, 2009 - 08:21 am - Hi to all, and especially thank you to Scott. Great picture. I need to learn how to post pics soon.So, I found that the linkage I referred to is more ...

Perkins With Hurth Gear   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Aug 21, 2007 - 09:18 am - Does any of the members have a Perkins 4-108 with a Hurth gear installed in their W32?
Aug 31, 2007 - 05:04 pm - I have installed a few of them in the past.
Sep 01, 2007 - 12:35 pm - One of which, Bud, was mine (via previous owner), ORION, 1989 installation Perkins 4-108- both engine and transmission (knock on wood) still going str...
Sep 02, 2007 - 03:40 am - I have purchased a 4-108 with a Hurth gear and am trying to get measurements for installation, maybe a couple of pictures as well.
Sep 02, 2007 - 10:51 am - I'm back down to the boat Thursday- happy to snap a couple of pics and take what measurements you need...Let me know~
Sep 03, 2007 - 07:08 am - Thank you for you willingness to help out. I am most interested in the location measurements of the engine mounts as well as what material Bud used fo...
Sep 03, 2007 - 10:43 am - will take a few pics- can tell you tho that this transmissiion does not secure in any way to the rear engine mounts- i've only had orion a short time-...
Sep 04, 2007 - 08:46 am - Brian,Thanks again. I understand that the Perkins with the Hurth secures to the boat's engine mounts from the motor. I am trying to understand how thi...
Sep 08, 2007 - 10:04 am - OK, transmission does attach to the aft engine mounts along with the engine- and yes, looks like maybe aluminum base plates... very difficult to get i...
Sep 08, 2007 - 07:05 pm - Are you sure it is a Hurth gear? Pics would be appreciated when convenient.
Sep 09, 2007 - 09:47 am - I have the written procedure of the installations I did with the Perkins 4-108 and the Hurth transmission. It did involve cutting down the aft engine ...
Sep 10, 2007 - 12:35 am - Bud,Do you have dimensions for this bracket?
Sep 12, 2007 - 11:06 pm - No, you have to design and fabricate the brackets.
Sep 15, 2007 - 08:13 pm - Bud,Do you have any pictures of some brackets you have done for other boats?
Sep 16, 2007 - 11:35 am - My Westsail Service Manual shows the layout we use on the Beta engine. You should modify the existing rear brackets on your engine to approximately ma...
Sep 21, 2007 - 07:03 pm - Still wondering if any of the members have a 4-108 with the Hurth gear that would be willing to send a couple of pics of the rear brackets and engine ...
Sep 22, 2007 - 11:43 am - Chris,the discussion above got my curiosity going as to what sort of transmission I was carrying around. Knowing (or at least having been told) that m...
Sep 22, 2007 - 03:49 pm - Scott,very greateful for what ever you can do.CBburgerc@verizon.net
Jun 02, 2008 - 08:32 pm - ok, so now i have a hurth gear question. someone recommended I check the level and quality of the existing transmission fluid. the plug/dipstick is ab...
Jun 06, 2008 - 08:32 pm - oops, only got half the enscription right, previous post should say "USE OIL" not "ENGINE OIL".sc
Jun 18, 2008 - 01:37 am - Scott,I have a Hurth HBW 125 (still a current model but now labeled ZF 12 M). Hurth documentation for the transmission from the original owner specifi...
Jun 18, 2008 - 08:44 am - Thanks George, by the way, where would I locate the model number? hopefully it's inscribed on the case somewhere.scott
Jun 28, 2008 - 11:18 pm - Scott,On my Hurth/ZF transmission the labels are on the top of the case (see photo below). I bought my W28 from the original owner. Based on what I kn...
Jun 29, 2008 - 08:37 am - Hey George, that engineroom is looking pretty buff!!
Jun 29, 2008 - 01:12 pm - Wow, thanks for the picture George, I probably never would have noticed the painted over tape protecting the ID plate from the last rebuild. It's an H...
Jun 29, 2008 - 09:58 pm - At this point I don't have an opinion on shaft locks - whether I will lock mine or let it freewheel. The literature I have from Hurth states, "Whe...

PRM Tranny "rumble" ?   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Aug 25, 2008 - 11:03 am - I'm a little concerned about the sound the tranny makes on our boat.....It can best be described as a "rumble" at low RPM...900 to 1100 RPM I ...
Aug 25, 2008 - 09:23 pm - My new Beta 1505 does the same thing. Don't know if it's good or bad. Let's ask Bud.Ken SchatzEllipsis
Aug 25, 2008 - 09:27 pm - Gary,Our Borg Warner was doing that - we wound up having to adjust the shift lever as it wasn't fully engaging. Something to check at leastAlso, may b...
Aug 25, 2008 - 10:23 pm - Sounds good Ken!Aaron do you have a single lever control? We do and I don't think I can make it engage the tranny any further than it is now...it has ...
Aug 26, 2008 - 06:44 am - Gary,Yes, we have a single lever Morse remote.You should be able to adjust the placement of the pin that attaches to the throttle cable/shift lever. O...
Aug 26, 2008 - 08:45 am - Hi- I have a rumble, with a 1505, at idle, but not once I increase the throttle a bit. I think it is the exhaust hotting the cutout for the cuffler pe...
Aug 26, 2008 - 09:05 am - John - mine only does this in gear....is yours doing it in neutral as well?
Aug 26, 2008 - 03:09 pm - Ken - what prop do you have?
Aug 26, 2008 - 03:33 pm - 16 x 16. Bud helped me put it in so everything comes from him as specified. Seems to push the boat along just fine.Ken
Aug 26, 2008 - 08:05 pm - I will check with Beta Marine on Wednesday.
Aug 27, 2008 - 01:10 pm - I talked with Stanley at Beta Marine, and he said that a slight rumble at some RPM's in the transmission is not unusual, and is not a problem. Same as...
Aug 28, 2008 - 08:06 am - Hi- yep- neutral only, but I alos have the tmc gear-john

Prop For Beta 1505   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jun 17, 2008 - 11:12 am - Hi All- I am getting ready to put a 1505 in my Westsail. I am curious as to what folks who have put in this enginehave use for a prop, size and pitch-...
Jun 20, 2008 - 08:44 pm - 16" diameter with 15" or 16" pitch if you use a 2.5 to 1 transmission. If you use a 2 to 1 transmission, then a 16" x 13" prop.

Prop Locked Or Freewheeling?   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Apr 19, 2004 - 10:34 am - My old volvo had a RB trannie on it and the prop could freewheel when under sail. On the MS trannie, does the prop shaft need to be locked in gear? If...

Prop Sing   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

May 05, 2007 - 10:44 pm - Hi, Just thought I'd give the rest of the members a heads-up on something we have just been through.We were leaving our marina after our annual haulou...

Props   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Apr 08, 2008 - 12:47 pm - Anyone out there with additional information on Kiwi adjusable props? I have only seen one and it was on a WS 43 but except for their web site I have ...
Apr 09, 2008 - 09:26 am - Greg and Christy,I first read about them a couple of years ago in Bluewater sailing. Reading comments in some of the other forums it seems that most p...
Aug 27, 2009 - 12:07 pm - I have a report on a new Campbell Sailor prop for my W32, I belive 16" x 10" compared with a straight old, Ray Leonard's three bladed bronze, ...
Aug 27, 2009 - 09:48 pm - Randy,I talked with Stan from Beta Marine at last years Annapolis Boat Show. When I asked him about the Campbell Sailor prop he told me to stay away f...
Aug 28, 2009 - 09:04 am - Hey Jeff,Thank you. My prop specialists did not regard mine very highly, either. They actually told me that they could refabricate it into whatever I ...
Aug 28, 2009 - 11:04 am - Randy, When choosing a prop for your particular engine-transmission combination, go with 16" diameter by 13" pitch, or 17" diameter by 12&...
Aug 28, 2009 - 11:06 am - Randy, When choosing a prop for your particular engine-transmission combination, go with 16" diameter by 13" pitch, or 17" diameter by 12&...
Aug 28, 2009 - 11:15 pm - Randy,If your interested in the KIWI with your setup fill out and submit the form found here:http://www.kiwiprops.com/NewFormPage.htmlYou might have b...
Aug 29, 2009 - 12:07 pm - Hey Bud and Jeff,Thanks for the info. I tend to think you are right Bud and would tend to take your advice even with a fixed three blade. However, the...
Aug 30, 2009 - 07:43 am - I've had a Maxprop on my W32 for almost 15 years, and it's worked fine - I removed it a few years back while hauled out, took it all apart, cleaned an...
Aug 30, 2009 - 07:20 pm - Oh, Thanks alot Fred,I really would like the Maxprop. However, you gotta cut the shaft or the rudder, I understand.Which did you do and whatdayathink?
Sep 02, 2009 - 10:17 am - My father either had it installed or installed it himself - I'm pretty sure the rudder wasn't modified so he must have had the shaft cut down - when I...
Sep 02, 2009 - 04:32 pm - I think you basically cut the inner end of the shaft and put a new keyway in it and away you go.pretty simple.
Sep 02, 2009 - 05:16 pm - Hey all,When our prop shaft sheared off (original bronze that didn't have a zinc and had a terribly leaky electrical system attached), we got a new st...
Sep 02, 2009 - 06:41 pm - I have installed three different brands of feathering props on Westsail 32's. They are all much longer than a fixed prop to allow for the feathering m...
Sep 02, 2009 - 09:36 pm - Thanks very much, guys,For better or worse, Satori has a Spur line cutter, which cost us about 3 extra days in the boatyard to reinstall. Pretty cool....
Dec 05, 2009 - 02:48 pm - Just for the sake of full disclosure, it seems I may have gotten the dimensions of my boat's prop wrong in previous reports on this thread. Seems I fo...
Jan 25, 2010 - 12:14 am - Can anyone tell me the rotation of the drive shaft on a W32, with Perkins 4.108 and Velvet Drive transmission? Is this fairly standard on all such con...
Jan 25, 2010 - 05:58 am - I am on Sapphire in Indiantown workyard. Anything you need from Drifter?
Jan 25, 2010 - 07:21 am - Thanks, John... I appreciate the offer.Actually, I'm not sure if you could even tell without turning over the engine, and at present the batteries are...
Jan 25, 2010 - 08:52 am - John,I just recalled that I had some photos I had taken about 18 mo ago, when I reconditioned my old prop. I was able to read the stamping in the phot...
Jan 25, 2010 - 08:55 am - Jack, I have the same setup. It will have a right hand rotation which is the only possibility to my knowledge.
Jan 25, 2010 - 09:53 am - Most single marine engine and transmission combinations use a right hand prop. Except for the old Volvo's, which used a left hand prop.
Jan 26, 2010 - 01:06 pm - Sorry... I received my final answer, but forgot to post it or even check the message board again.Yes... you are all correct, and thank you! The reason...
Jan 26, 2010 - 09:07 pm - Does anyone have a clue of what a boatyard should charge to install a Maxprop on a W32 by cutting and rekeying the shaft and a few threads off the aft...

Qst Velvet Drive Transmission On Perkins 4-236   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Oct 19, 2007 - 10:46 am - I'm changing oil today and going thru all my manuals can't find what to do on my transmission. I have the Borg Warner Velvet drive on a Perkins 4-236....
Oct 19, 2007 - 03:13 pm - I have a Velvet Drive on my 4-107, and all my mechanic told me was to keep the fluid level up -- I use regular ATF fluid, although I don't know the br...
Oct 19, 2007 - 05:43 pm - Just found a site that recommends changing transmission fluid every season, which I'm assuming means every year.
Oct 21, 2007 - 06:46 pm - Dave, I have a copy of the Borg Warner Workshop Manual for the transmission. I can make a copy if you do not already have one.

Removing Prop Shaft In Water   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jul 13, 2008 - 06:27 pm - Hey all,We need to replace our prop shaft while the boat is in the water. I went in today to pull it out, intending to plug the hole with a wood cone....
Jul 13, 2008 - 07:30 pm - Aaron,The rudder was off of my W28 when I bought it and shipped it to Texas. While filling, sanding, and barrier coating the bottom, we pulled the sha...
Jul 13, 2008 - 09:13 pm - George,Thanks for the input. I did try pulling the shaft with the rudder to the both the port and starboard stops. Unfortunately, neither let my pull ...
Jul 14, 2008 - 01:33 am - Arron you might check the tiller travel as it is where we mine binds. (I have removed the boomkin altogether, and replaced it with double back stays.)...
Jul 14, 2008 - 09:49 am - Norm,I initially suspected the tiller as well, but it is clearly the rudder cheeks stopping it. As for the prop, I can't imagine it fitting, so we may...
Jul 14, 2008 - 03:05 pm - Arron one other thing which works well when working under water with parts that can fallUse a small tarp 4x6 ft +/- suspended under the keel work ...
Jul 14, 2008 - 07:13 pm - Norm,Thanks for the advice. I have used the tarp underwater thing before, but haven't tied tools to the boat. I like the floating keychain idea.To any...
Jul 14, 2008 - 09:05 pm - Curious to know what you think caused the prop shaft to shear in two. I've done that with the PTO on a tractor by starting a large piece of equipment ...
Jul 15, 2008 - 12:59 am - Ralph,I think it was the original shaft. Old, bronze, and I know it sat in a marina plugged in with a poor grounding and old zinc for four years just ...
Jul 15, 2008 - 01:30 pm - Aaron,For your informatin, I just removed the rudder cheeks on SATORI for reconditioning a couple of weeks ago. Very easy, but you could lose the SS t...

Replacement 2nd Fuel Filter For Perkins 4.108??   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Apr 03, 2007 - 05:20 pm - ok, i've got all my ducks in a row here for tune up and de-winterizing 'orion's' perkins 4108 this weekend-except i cannot find, or cross reference (h...
Apr 03, 2007 - 05:53 pm - while we're having the conversation... i find no # or make at all for the '#3' fuel filter? the one to be changed every 400 hours??bgs
Apr 03, 2007 - 07:24 pm - Brian, I have some Perkins parts numbers of fuel filters of 26540154 and 26560017. I also have a CCS-1136.Checking the Wix crossover I find 33194 and ...
Apr 03, 2007 - 07:56 pm - The Fram CH836 PL is the oil filter, and the Fram C1191A is the secondary fuel filter (the one on the engine.) Consumer Reports did a comparison of oi...
Apr 03, 2007 - 11:01 pm - Thanks Bud, Terry- I appreciate the info. So, I guess I'll figure this out when I get down to the boat Saturday and start to work... But I have, from ...
Apr 04, 2007 - 07:57 am - The filter that's not actually attached to the engine (the one with the clear plastic bowl) is probably a Racor brand -- what filter number would depe...
Apr 06, 2007 - 11:24 am - On most installation there are only two fuel filters. The one between the tank and the engine is the primary filter, which should be serviced and clea...
Jan 15, 2008 - 10:38 pm - I just got done changing both fuel filters in Inalla, my W32. I had done the primary (Racor) not too long ago, and it's easy to change. I had gone a c...
Jan 16, 2008 - 05:56 pm - what's your engine, terry? brand and model #'s on thosefilters??
Jan 16, 2008 - 06:14 pm - I have a Perkins 4-107; the filters are Racor 2010 (I have the 500 series turbine model) and secondary is a Fram 1191A.

Saltwater And Engine...   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Sep 08, 2007 - 10:00 am - was pooped a couple of weeks ago and some saltwater leaked down beneath the cockpit sole (and through the engine control panel) and into the engine co...
Sep 09, 2007 - 09:34 am - That would be an excellent idea. Then spray some WD-40 around.

SEACOCK SIZE FOR PERKINS 4-108   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jan 24, 2010 - 11:49 am - I AM PLANNING ON REPLACING MY CURRENT ENGINE WITH A PERKINS 4-108. THE BOAT CURRENTLY HAS A 3/4" SEACOCK FOR THE ENGINE WATER SUPPLY. IS THIS THE ...
Jan 24, 2010 - 05:15 pm - The 3/4" seacock will work just fine. Be sure to use 3/4" hose though, not 5/8" hose that was used on a Volvo.

Single Lever Control   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Aug 15, 2008 - 09:50 pm - Hi All- I am repowering and the shift lever on the new engine operates in the opposite direction of the old engine. Does anyone know if it is possible...
Aug 15, 2008 - 11:46 pm - John, I don't know if it is possible to change the way the Morse control works (sounds like the one I have), but when I repowered I was able to unbolt...
Aug 15, 2008 - 11:58 pm - If nothing else works, you may have to make a small (2" diam??) disk with cable connections 180 degrees apart mounted with a machine screw to the ...
Aug 16, 2008 - 08:36 am - Most single lever controls have an arm on the shifting portion that has an ear on each side. Just necessary to change the shifting cable from the side...

Spare Parts List For 4108   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Nov 29, 2006 - 08:11 pm - Anybody care to give me a basic rundown of essential spare parts to carry onboard for this (new to me) perkins 4108?Thnx~ ('89 engine, 2,300 hours, we...
Nov 29, 2006 - 10:01 pm - I have the 4-236 in my boat, so I don't have direct experience. As with all diesel engines though, there are fundamental spares you should carry. It a...
Nov 30, 2006 - 12:33 am - Thanks much, Adam~! (I guess the dealer can tell me what special tools I might need to add to the kit)
Dec 09, 2006 - 01:04 pm - Brian, I have a copy of the Perkins Workshop Manual for the 4-108 in case you do not already have one. I can make a copy if you wish.

Starter For A 4-107   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Dec 14, 2005 - 02:51 pm - The starter on my 32 seems to be in its death throes, so I need to find a rebuilt one to replace it. The boat's in Wilmington, California, so somethin...
Dec 14, 2005 - 04:31 pm - Good day Terry:My 4-107 is a two bolt version so i.e. one nut on a stud and the other a bolt = not to hard in and out. (a strong left am helps.I had m...

State Of The Art Perkins Main Seal Technology   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jun 02, 2008 - 02:36 pm - I've been reading the threads that the old Perkins 4-108 which I am hopefully about to rebuild has better, longer lived front and rear main seals of s...
Jun 03, 2008 - 07:30 am - Randy, the seals you speak of are the same rope seal material that has been around for decades. The difference being this new material is made from te...
Jun 04, 2008 - 12:37 pm - Danny,Thanks for the information. I'll print it for my file and mechanic.Randy
Jun 04, 2008 - 07:23 pm - Danny:I have a slightly leaking rear mainseal in a 4-108, probably not bad enough to warrant engine removal to fix it, but I'm curious as to whether y...
Jun 05, 2008 - 12:44 pm - Ralph, the rear seal is the one that most often fails. If it is leaking it will only get worse. Foley Diesel's seal kit comes with fairly specific ins...
Jun 09, 2008 - 09:32 am - Whew, Danny, thanks for the information. Awesome. Scary. Maybe I should just have my mechanic put in the Perkins seals. I did not use to rebuild old C...

Sudden Oil Pressure Loss In MD11C   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Dec 04, 2009 - 09:23 am - Hello Fellows Westsailors! Your collective expertise is needed.For no apparent reason Namaste's MD11C lost all its oil pressure. I have changed the oi...
Dec 04, 2009 - 09:35 am - Wojciech: I used to have an MD2B in Pygmalion - When the oil screen which is what the oil dipstick is housed in - was not tightened very tight - I wou...
Dec 04, 2009 - 04:59 pm - Thanks Jay. I have checked the dipstick area and everything is tight as it should.I have removed the electric oil pressure sender and connected a mech...
Dec 06, 2009 - 07:56 pm - Just for the record, I have removed and inspected the oil pump. Marginal space to do it but possible.On inspection the pump looked ok, the release val...
Dec 07, 2009 - 11:35 am - I've had that happen at random periods with my MD11C as well, and I have read reports from other Westsailors who have also experienced the same thing....
Dec 08, 2009 - 08:08 am - Thanks Michael. In my case stopping the engine and waiting did not help.However I think I've nailed the problem but this does not mean the end of it.....
Dec 08, 2009 - 10:50 am - That definitely sounds plausible, fingers crossed!
Dec 08, 2009 - 07:00 pm - Wojtek: Check your email - I may have an assembly for you.
Dec 08, 2009 - 07:54 pm - Wojtek,I applaud your persistence in isolating and fixing the problem. I hope it is fully functional again soon.
Dec 09, 2009 - 08:46 pm - Update: I have the dipstick tube silver soldered to the big bronze nut. See the pic below.\imageHowever I was not able to check if that fixes the oil ...
Dec 09, 2009 - 08:48 pm -
Dec 10, 2009 - 07:20 am - No comments!
Dec 10, 2009 - 12:06 pm - Looks like you got it working!! Does seem that the fit of all the parts is unusually critical.
Dec 17, 2009 - 05:12 pm - Somewhere at the cap of the dipstick, can't remember if it is below the threads, or above the threads and below the flange, there is supposed to be an...
Dec 18, 2009 - 06:35 pm - The part is called o-ring but it is in fact a flat aluminum washer type seal. I did not have one when I bought the boat. I bought couple now so it's a...

Switch To Spin-On Oil Filter   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Sep 18, 2009 - 12:37 pm - I have a Perkins 4-107 in Inalla, my W32, and it has the canister oil filter. Changing it is a royal pain, since I have to hold the canister up agains...
Sep 18, 2009 - 01:20 pm - Terry,I'm not sure about the oil filter adapter, but I bet Bud can supply you with motor mount adapters for one of those shiny new BetasGood luck with...
Sep 18, 2009 - 05:23 pm - Yes, there is, and I almost know where to get one. I googled 'Perkins oil filter adapter' and a whole bunch of them came up. Here's somebody who did t...

Tachometer -- Needed???   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Feb 23, 2009 - 08:20 am - i was just told by an experienced marine engineer in singapore that i don't really need the tachometer. much more important are the oil pressure and w...
Feb 23, 2009 - 08:57 am - Rene,If you can recognize your engine's "motoring" speed based on pitch and vibrations, you do not need the tach. They're nifty for placing th...
Feb 23, 2009 - 09:51 am - Rene, If you have a Volvo 2 or 3, I have a complete panel available. Used, but should still be good. Contact me directly.

Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel Fuel And Rebuilt Perkins Engine   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jul 15, 2008 - 01:41 pm - Does anyone know if there are any issues caused by burning the new ultra low sulfur diesel fuel in a newly remanufactured Perkins 4-108? Seems there c...
Jul 16, 2008 - 11:57 pm - It's my understanding that low sulphur diesel is not as good a lubricant as the old high sulphur variety. That said, low sulphur is a on-road fuel and...

Velvet Drive 1.91:1 (Borg Warner) Casing   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Mar 25, 2009 - 05:39 am - My Velvet Drive transmission has been in and out of the boat 6 times in the past 6 weeks - the mechanics discovered some parts that needed replacing. ...
Mar 25, 2009 - 12:10 pm - Try Trans Atlantic Diesel in Virginia. www.tadiesels.com
Mar 26, 2009 - 09:41 pm - There is a sale on the Borg Warner Velvet Drives with various reduction ratios here in Houston. Rebuilt and guaranteed, $800.00. Contact Diesel Parts ...
Mar 30, 2009 - 12:13 pm - thanks Bud and Randell. its coming out for 7th time tomorrow morning. then i think its time to really have a think about what's going to happen... ver...
Apr 08, 2009 - 09:35 am - Hey, Rene,I was just at the shop yesterday and I saw that they still have the sale on, including one with a 1.91 to one reduction (like mine), I belie...
Apr 19, 2009 - 02:15 pm - hi randell and budthanks for the info. we finally got the transmission fixed. the old casing had a worn away area where the gear selector (proper name...

Velvet Drive Transmission Ratio   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jan 30, 2010 - 09:06 pm - Does anyone know the typical final drive ratio that was installed with a Perkins 4-108 and Velvet Drive transmission? I'm assuming that it was a fairl...
Jan 31, 2010 - 07:36 am - Jack, Bud will probaby respond, but I believe it's ultimately ~2:1. Ours is 1.91:1MikeW32 #645 Namida
Jan 31, 2010 - 10:48 am - The standard was 1.91 to 1.
Jan 31, 2010 - 07:39 pm - Thanks, Bud.

Volvo Mechanic In SF Bay Area?   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Dec 22, 2008 - 01:14 pm - Can anyone recommend a good Volvo mechanic in the SF bay area?My MD17C needs professional help. In the past, I have used Eskelund Marine in Alameda, b...
Dec 30, 2008 - 09:14 pm - Kevin:I'm trying to get a name from a friend in the SF bay -- I'll try him again.
Dec 30, 2008 - 10:27 pm - Darrel is the best Deisel/Volvo mechanic in N.Ca. maybe the state but is very independent as he is so busy. He is still there and if you go by the sho...
Dec 31, 2008 - 06:50 pm - Kevin: Here are a couple of names from a former Westsailer who used the folks he mentioned and was happy with the work.Jeff and Larry are two Volvo me...
Jan 05, 2009 - 10:07 pm - Jay, Jim -- Thanks for the info... Darrel finally got back to me.Kevin.

Volvo Engine Parts   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jul 07, 2008 - 05:25 pm - I have some miscelaneous gaskets, belts, etc for my previous Volvo md3b engine. If anyone feels they would be of value to them they are welcome to the...

Volvo MD17C Problems   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Aug 29, 2006 - 01:14 pm - Motoring back from downtown Toronto this weekend, I noticed my oil pressure guague was way down. 15lbs from 25-30lbs.this was barely after 1 hour into...
Sep 02, 2006 - 06:48 pm - I'm just spitballing here, but it sounds like you may have a broken ring on your #3. I would suggest you pull the injector first. If you have lube oil...
Sep 05, 2006 - 06:28 am - So, I pulled the rocker cover off and there it was. One bent push rod and one broken rod! No idea how this happened but the local Volvo expert told me...
Sep 06, 2006 - 02:21 pm - you probably need a new mixing elbow. I have a couple of friends with volvos that had the same thing happen and that was the result.good news is you c...
Sep 09, 2006 - 10:16 am - Thanks Rich. My local Deisel mechanic just finished brining my MD17C back to life. Had to lift the Cylinder off and replace oil seals between the Cyli...
Sep 10, 2006 - 06:09 pm - Terry, Check page F-8 of my Westsail Service Manual for a proper engine exhaust system.
Sep 11, 2006 - 09:27 am - Thanks BudSV Liberate. #757

Volvo Md2 Oil   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

May 09, 2008 - 09:37 am - Can anyone recommend oil brand/type for the volvo md2 - both engine + reduction gear? I seem to think that sae20 is the weight used for both. The ...
May 09, 2008 - 09:49 am - Just off the top of my head, I'd think that SAE 20 seems little light.

Volvo MD2B Exhaust Manifold   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Nov 21, 2006 - 03:42 pm - I am in need of a replacement exhaust manifold for my MD2B. Any leads to finding one would be greatly appreciated.

Volvo MD3B Fuel Leak   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jul 26, 2007 - 03:50 pm - My recently acquired W32, Autumn, #134, has a Volvo MD3B. It was little used for the past two or three years. I am finding fuel leaks in the high pres...
Jul 27, 2007 - 10:59 am - Dan, Probably the gaskets on the high pressure system. You can try tightening the nuts, or buy some gaskets from a Volvo dealer. I have the workshop m...
Jul 27, 2007 - 05:49 pm - Thanks Bud!I have the workshop manual and the Westsail Service Manual. I'm also collecting advice and books. I'm almost ready to go at it with my wren...

Volvo Overheating.. Again!   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Feb 27, 2009 - 03:41 pm - Well, I thought I solved this problem last summer when I replaced the thermostat. The old one was frozen up. Things ran smoothly for a while, and then...
Feb 27, 2009 - 04:40 pm - Colleen:If you can run the engine till warm (hot) and then move the suction intake to a 1 gal pail of vinegar and sucking it into the engines salt wat...
Feb 27, 2009 - 05:30 pm - Colleen do you have a fresh water cooling system? I have a perkins 4-108 that is fresh water cooled thru a fresh water/saltwater heat exchanger.
Feb 27, 2009 - 05:36 pm - Colleen do you have a fresh water cooling system? I have a perkins 4-108 that is fresh water cooled thru a fresh water/saltwater heat exchanger.
Feb 27, 2009 - 07:07 pm - Colleen: My MD2B had a cooling passage around the transmission that became clogged. I soaked the passage with Muratic acid solution and opened up the ...
Mar 04, 2009 - 07:10 am - I seem to remember that the Volvo has two impellers, one in the large pump connected to the salt water intake, the other in a smaller pump on the back...
Mar 04, 2009 - 09:17 am - Hi guys. Thanks for the input. My engine is salt water cooled, that's the problem.I'm pretty sure it has only one propeller. I'm planning on spending ...
Mar 04, 2009 - 07:29 pm - Colleen: My salt water cold engine had one impeller also... I also rerouted the cooling lines so that after the raw water filter the sea water went to...
Mar 05, 2009 - 08:30 am - Colleeen,When we bought our W28, it also overheated when run at higher RPMs. On the way to finding the real cause, I also found and replaced a leaky h...
Mar 05, 2009 - 08:43 am - My engine 4-108 was running hot despite prior owners attempts at replacing heat exchangers and raw water mixer. Anyway, on haulout for the refit, I fo...
Mar 07, 2009 - 11:45 am - Randy, I always thought the problem might be the hose connection between the through hull and the strainer. Ray used a piece of pipe with a 90 degree...
Mar 07, 2009 - 11:45 pm - Colleen,To clean the interior passages of the engine I would suggest Rydlyme. See http://www.rydlymemarine.com/I heard really good things about it and...
Mar 08, 2009 - 08:58 am - Ken,Thanks for the note. Got it just in time. The hose to the raw water impellor to the strainer is clean, but I did not think to check the other side...
Mar 08, 2009 - 10:54 am - (See photos above)What I am trying to show is that a couple of the holes/channels on the exhaust manifold are almost closed up with gunk, and when I p...
Mar 08, 2009 - 10:58 pm - [Colleen's Photos]The culprit:Exhaust manifold channels gunked up:and close up of thermostat cavity on exhaust

W32 Engine Removal Photo Article Available   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Feb 19, 2005 - 07:00 am - I am in the process of overhauling my Perkins 4108 and I am documenting the removal process if anyone is interested you can see the article which is s...

W42 Modern Engine Repower   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Oct 21, 2005 - 07:59 am - Looking to collect a little data here...Has anyone here on the list repowered their W42 with a more modern engine make/model (like Yanmar, Volvo, West...

Wacko Tacho!!   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Apr 09, 2005 - 04:32 pm - Help!!We're trying to sort out the tachometer on our Volvo MD2B (circa 1973). How can we test the sender unit and the gauge to see which is the proble...
Apr 10, 2005 - 11:24 am - Tach Problems:The Volvo units are pretty trouble free.Usually it is the wire between the sender and tach that causes problems.Try cutting off the ends...
Apr 10, 2005 - 07:06 pm - Plus, the tach gauge is fed via a pos (+) feed and a ground (-) on the back of the panel. Check to make sure you have power there if the sender fe...
Apr 11, 2005 - 07:43 am - With the engine running, measure the AC volts across the rev-counter sensor. (I used a cheap digital multi-meter). You should get 0.2-0.3 volts AC.The...

Westerbeke 44B Four BW7   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Nov 11, 2007 - 10:26 pm - Has anybody installed one of these in their W32?Grateful for any feedback.
Nov 11, 2007 - 11:06 pm - Ahoy Gary,Yes, I have installed a Westerbeke 44B in a W-32. The boat was in Portland at the time and was one of the models with the full engine room l...
Nov 12, 2007 - 12:28 am - I also installed a Westerbeke 44B in a W32, and the installation was more difficult than the ones I am now doing with the Beta 1505.
Nov 12, 2007 - 09:46 am - How about a Universal M40B?I guess this is a Westerbeke engine as well..Decisions, decisions
Nov 12, 2007 - 04:06 pm - Gary, Most engines, except for the Beta, are difficult to install in a W32 beacuse of the design of the engine mounting pan in the boat, and the stand...
Nov 12, 2007 - 11:40 pm - Ahoy Gary,Yes, I have also installed a Universal M40B in a W-32. The Boat, Summer Rose, is an early model Westsail and has the small, engine pan mold ...
Nov 13, 2007 - 08:24 am - Thanks for the input Dave -The reason I'm considering the two above motors is that I can get them at $8277 and $8067 respectively (excluding shipping)...

Westsail 32 Engines - Again - Discussion   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jan 22, 2005 - 11:53 am - Hello all againI have been pondering the engine selection - again :-) - for the W32. In my last thread re this I suggested that torque was a governing...

Westsail 42 Exhaust   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Feb 23, 2009 - 01:13 pm - We have a W42 with a Westerbeke 4-154, has anyone got the same engine please If so can you give me some guidance of where I should put the muffler and...
Feb 25, 2009 - 02:00 pm - A good exhaust system is shown in my Westsail Service Manual

Westsail 42 Repower   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jan 17, 2010 - 02:06 pm - I am considering repowering my W42 and was wanting to know if other W42/43 owners have done the same and what engine mfg. hp & transmission (ratio...

WOA Summer Repower Article Correction   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jul 26, 2009 - 08:00 am - Hi:Dick Mills mentioned an area of my repower article that needs correction.What I wrote is backwards from reality.Original statement:"I confirmed...

Zinc Location(s) On Perkins   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Dec 06, 2009 - 11:00 pm - With all the 4-108s in the fleet, hopefully, someone can help me, definitively, on the issue of the locations of zincs on the lowline Perkins 4-108.My...
Dec 07, 2009 - 01:08 pm - There should be a plug on the top of the forward header tank. A pencil zinc should be on this plug.
Dec 07, 2009 - 02:10 pm - Thank you, Bud.You are an amazing resource.I thought there might be something missing. I'll check right away.
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