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"the Year Of The Rig"   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

May 31, 2005 - 08:33 pm - Hi all,Sila and I have designated winter 2005 the "year of the rig", and we are looking for a good book or reference on how to work on our mas...
Jun 01, 2005 - 10:02 am - I happily recommend "The Rigger's Apprentice" by Brion Toss. He covers both theory and practice in a clear and useful manner. When I worked a...

'asbestos Mish Mash'??!   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Mar 01, 2008 - 11:58 pm - I've just been skimming through the construction manual... and came across several references to 'asbestos powder' and 'asbestos mishmash'... to be mi...
Mar 02, 2008 - 09:01 am - Asbestos was used whenever we needed to make a resin putty. Used to smooth over the top of the ballast, and fill in any deep fiberglass cracks.Who kne...
Mar 02, 2008 - 09:17 am - Understood, Bud- nobody knew back then- My question stands tho, any danger areas, or special precauctions to take working in these areas? Just a stand...
Mar 02, 2008 - 07:24 pm - Probably so, with lots of ventilation, preferably fans.
Mar 07, 2008 - 09:58 pm - Asbestos in the air is a problem. Asbestos in water is NOT a problem. So the best advice I have is if you must sand, file, or do anything that would m...
Mar 07, 2008 - 11:23 pm - All good tips, suggestions... I guess my question still stands as to where this asbestos mish-mash was used in the construction/lay up of the Westsail...
Mar 08, 2008 - 05:33 pm - It was used to attach the plywood cabinsides to the fiberglass, on top of the ballast, and anywhere there was a fiberglass putty needed. It was not us...
Mar 08, 2008 - 11:52 pm - Thanks Bud- I guess the wise move would be, whether fiberglass or glass+asbestos, anytime one is working with it wear a respirator!
Mar 09, 2008 - 10:29 am - Brian and all,You should wear a respirator whenever you're sanding anything, especially fiberglass. Inhaling microscopic fibers and polyester/epoxy re...

'Depth' Of Deck   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Mar 18, 2005 - 04:09 pm - About how 'thick/deep' is the deck/hull joint under the caprail?I'm looking to add a couple midship cleats on the caprail. I need to know the approx t...
Mar 18, 2005 - 05:27 pm - I believe, with the deck at 1/2" of glass and the corresponding thickness of that portion of the hull, you will be looking at around an inch of gl...
Mar 19, 2005 - 07:28 pm - Another option, Mike... I have a track that goes the lenght of the cabin top on the side decks, hosting the block for the jib sheet. But, while at the...
Mar 20, 2005 - 04:21 pm - What behooves you to add cleats the top of the caprails? Don't you have a mid ship hawser that you can run your spring lines too. More holes mean more...
Mar 20, 2005 - 06:11 pm - Yep Dave, you make a really good point. The more I really think about it the less I want to do it.umm... no, I don't have mid-ship hawse pipes. Only r...
Mar 20, 2005 - 09:47 pm - My moto: if what you have already works, don't try to fix it. ;-)

18v Caulk Guns   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Dec 26, 2005 - 06:54 am - I am considering purchasing an 18v caulk gun to make recaulking my deck seams a bit more pleasant. Does anyone have any experience with either these o...

316 Stainless   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jul 11, 2009 - 01:16 pm - Does anyone have a good source for stainless?I'm looking for small amounts of 316ss x 3/16" plate for parts fabrication.....in fact if anyone know...
Jul 11, 2009 - 01:56 pm - Check out http://westsail42.com/ He's been having a lot of fabrication done and is on the west coast and my guess is could send you down the right pat...
Jul 12, 2009 - 09:47 am - Gary, I have two good SS fabricators that can use 316 SS, as well as the correct welding rod for it.
Jul 12, 2009 - 03:40 pm - www.onlinemetals.com
Jul 13, 2009 - 10:02 am - As Dave mentioned we are having some SS bits fabricated right now.We use Pacific Fabrcating in Anacortes, WA. Small outfit (no website). It is a one m...
Jul 13, 2009 - 02:56 pm - Rob - do you have an e-mail address or phone number?Thanks for the reply
Jul 14, 2009 - 09:17 am - Gary, tryPacific Fabricating2900 T AveAnacortes, WA 98221-2889(360) 588-1078‎Dont know if he has an email address.Be prepared to wait a bit ...
Jul 14, 2009 - 10:13 pm - Thanks Rob
Jul 17, 2009 - 01:47 pm - Good source for Type 316 stainless steel; sheet, shapes and fasteners... http://www.mcmaster.com

4" Polished Bronze Portlights On EBay   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Oct 28, 2004 - 01:40 pm - There are two gorgeous 4" ABI polished bronze portlights (with screens) on eBay. The opening bid is $135 for the pair. I wish my project list were...

555 Seatiger Rebuild   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Sep 05, 2008 - 04:46 pm - I have pressed out the shafts and removed the gears in order to rebuild and powder coat my windlass. What is left is the bushings that press into the ...
Sep 08, 2008 - 11:50 am - For anybody interested parts for the seatiger can be found here: www.slspares.co.ukThis is a guy in England who has parts (you can use paypal to pay h...
Sep 08, 2008 - 12:54 pm - Thanks, Gary for the info & website - I'm working on mine, too, mainly to clean it up, regrease, and paint it- (I am planning on using awlgrip) Th...
Sep 08, 2008 - 03:06 pm - Hey no problem Fred. I had to cut my chain splitter in half to get it out

6" ABI Portlight Glass   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Oct 07, 2009 - 11:44 pm - Does anyone know what thickness and diameter replacement glass is needed for these portlights?I'm not at the boat and dont want to take one apart with...
Oct 09, 2009 - 10:09 am - Depending on the make of the portlight, the diameter may be slightly different. Best to take the ring and glass off, seal up the opening with plastic,...

AC Wiring   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jul 17, 2009 - 09:21 am - Working on installing all new AC wiring on Second Wind and wondered what everyone is using these days for outlet boxes? The literature recommends boxe...
Jul 17, 2009 - 11:43 am - I've had good luck finding exterior-type outlet boxes and all the accoutrements at Ace Hardware. They have exit/entry holes on the top and bottom but ...
Jul 17, 2009 - 01:22 pm - I just used the original boxes when I rewired the AC. Don't forget to use GFI recepticles.Don
Jul 17, 2009 - 05:32 pm - Don, You are assuming that my boat HAD original boxes! No such luck. I'll check out Ace Hardware. Thanks, folks!
Jul 18, 2009 - 08:57 pm - Okay, guys, I've spent a couple of hours at the hardware looking at the varieties of outlet boxes: metal, plastic, FRP, with and without knockouts, et...
Jul 19, 2009 - 08:03 am - I don't know about the abyc but I would use plastic to avoid corrosion. If you enjoy throwing money away you can use these http://www.consumersmarine....
Jul 21, 2009 - 12:46 pm - Tom, Holy Cow! You ain't just a kiddin' about thowing money away! At $30 bucks a pop I could fabricate my own! Menards has a similar box in a grey pol...

Adding Additional Batteries   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Dec 03, 2004 - 08:17 am - I'm about to begin upgrading my 12v system (adding solar, adding link 20 monitor, etc.)Right now I have two aging group 27's, each sitting on either s...
Dec 05, 2004 - 06:46 pm - On the WS32 #567 that I work on, there is room for 2 type 25 batteries and probably type 27's toward the rear of the engine compartment.1 underneath t...
Dec 05, 2004 - 10:04 pm - Hmmm... placing my starter battery aft and having one 6v batt in each of the battery wells for the house bank might be a solution.Just wondering howev...
Dec 06, 2004 - 09:04 pm - I have a volt meter on the distribution panel and have been watching the battery voltage when on the charger, off all charging and while motoring.I al...
Dec 07, 2004 - 12:27 am - Im curious about the location of batteries in our Westsails. I'm considering changing my golf cart batteries to glass mat type. Has anyone considered ...
Dec 07, 2004 - 07:13 am - Yes, heat is the enemy of batts but personally I wouldn't think there is that much heat buildup for any length of time to worry about it. The WS engin...
Dec 07, 2004 - 07:27 am - As long as the wire is of sufficient size to handle the anticipated current load a given distance from your batteries your voltage drop should be negl...
Dec 07, 2004 - 07:09 pm - Loading the connections and checking the voltage drop is just fine also but I have always checked without a load.On putting the battery in the bilge -...
Dec 16, 2004 - 10:25 pm - I'm a little confused about the comments regarding the bilge water. On my W32 I only have water ever in the very deep part of the bilge which sits und...
Dec 16, 2004 - 11:12 pm - Rod your idea sounds good as long as you do keep your one H2O tank full.Jays comment about salt water is only revlent if the water flows in through th...
Dec 17, 2004 - 07:58 am - Rod,You are correct in that the 'real' bilge (the deep area the bilge pump(s) sit in, what I call the 'pump sump') is pretty deep relative to the 'bil...
Dec 18, 2004 - 07:53 pm - thanks for the explanation Mike. In regard to Norm's advice, I would only consider placing seals agm or gel batteries in the upper bilge as they are s...
Dec 19, 2004 - 07:42 am - Take a good hard look as mine fit so well and was (by that time) the same dirty/greasy color as everything else so I didn't know it was there at first...

Adding Solar Power   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jul 14, 2004 - 12:20 pm - Just wondering if anyone has any advice regarding adding solar panels to a Westsail 32.I'm interested in how/where they are best mounted, whether rigi...
Jul 15, 2004 - 10:51 am - With solar, there is so much that "depends." So, as an example, here's what I have done and why:I currently have two panels - a 60 watt on dec...
Oct 04, 2004 - 09:29 am - OK, in my effort to make my WS32 a bit more independent I picked up two Kyrocera 120w panels & a Morningstar Prostar 30 charge controller (due to ...
Oct 04, 2004 - 09:46 pm - The problem with making my panels mobile is where do I store the HUGE kc120? Mine is easily removable, but I prefer to think of it as permanently moun...
Oct 05, 2004 - 07:02 am - I suspect mine will be 'permanently' mounted as well but it would be nice to store them out of sight/weather when I'm away (and let shore power keep t...

Advice Needed   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Feb 01, 2007 - 05:28 pm - Hello to all, I ran across this site and it seems there's many informed people here so I thought I would ask for advice. Ok, here's the deal. I found...
Feb 01, 2007 - 05:40 pm - Ron,Way over priced. 40% complete leaves 60% left, a significant ammount. If you would like to call me I would be more than happy to discuss the situa...
Feb 01, 2007 - 10:23 pm - Chris thanks for your number, I'll give you a call in the next few days. Ron
Feb 02, 2007 - 10:06 am - Ron,Depending on what your goals and capabilities are I would not consider that to be overpriced. I doubt you could get a new hull laid up like a West...
Feb 02, 2007 - 12:31 pm - You may want to contact the guy at http://westsail42.com/ . He's doing almost the same thing. Just bought a 42 recently and in the process of building...
Feb 02, 2007 - 04:34 pm - Jeff and Dave thanks for the input. My goal is the same, to build her and pay as I go. Capabilites,, well I'm a commerical carpenter and have done pl...
Feb 14, 2007 - 07:31 pm - Ron,I think it's a bit overpriced, depending on how much you have to undo and refinish. I bought a W32 that had never had the interior finished (rough...
Feb 17, 2007 - 04:07 am - Tom, thanks for the input, it was helpfull.The owner and I havn't been able to get together yet so I haven't yet seen her,plan on calling him tomorro...
Feb 18, 2007 - 04:15 pm - Ron, Good to hear from you, shipmate! I was at NavFac Bermuda (71-73)on the Conyngham (DDG17) and Harry E. Yarnell (CG17), EWO, CICO and OPS (74-78), ...
Feb 20, 2007 - 08:36 pm - I looked at the w32 in question Sunday, I'm going to pass.Owner purchased the hull only, no top deck.He has since built the topside deck ,(mostly),th...

Advice On Adding A Dual Racor   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Sep 08, 2009 - 08:56 pm - I don't think all our engine rooms are of the same configuration. Mine has a fiberglass liner with various shelves or ledges. One holds the fuel tank ...
Sep 08, 2009 - 10:29 pm - Nanette,We put our single Racor under the sink for easy accessibility and like it being there. I'm sure we could fit a second beside it. There is nowh...
Sep 09, 2009 - 12:04 am - mine are mounted on the bulkhead on each side of the engine access. they are a pain to get to. I don't think I could change them in a seaway. I am thi...
Sep 09, 2009 - 10:18 am - Mine are mounted on the sides of the doorway leading into the engine compartment. They are readily visible (for visual inspection) and easily in reach...
Sep 09, 2009 - 01:27 pm - So none of you have the layout that I do? My single is currently mounted on the bulkhead behind the galley. I can see it fine but draining the bowl is...
Sep 10, 2009 - 10:40 am - I seem to remember Milton on Coup de Vent mounting his in the narrow locker on the left side of the companionway ladder. I did not care for it as the...
Sep 12, 2009 - 10:16 am - You're right Nanette, I've got two single Racors, one plumbed to each tank. In the rear bulkhead, I have a door, behind the companionway stairs. Just ...
Sep 12, 2009 - 10:50 pm - Nanette,I can't see a problem with putting in the mounting screws were you'd like to mount the Racor. Carefully drill a small hole to find out, but it...

African Mahogany For Exterior Hatch Construction?   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Nov 08, 2007 - 11:15 am - I have access to quite a bit of mahogany and am in the process of rebuilding the lazerette and v-berth hatches. How will the mahogany stand up?Thanks ...
Nov 08, 2007 - 01:13 pm - Mahogany would be fine, but you have to keep it varnished or oiled.

Alternator   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jul 28, 2008 - 11:31 pm - I'm thinking of installing a higher output alternator than what's currently on my Perkins 4-107. Any suggestions?
Jul 29, 2008 - 01:32 am - Terry,I have a 10+ year old Balmar 125A dual-output alternator that's still going strong. They make good ($$$) stuff.Best of luck!Aaron N.
Jul 29, 2008 - 04:07 pm - we just installed a Balmar 125A with the fancy controller and battery temp sensor and we love it. Hey Aaron, we may be headed your way for a nice long...
Jul 29, 2008 - 04:32 pm - How much did a setup like that cost, if I may ask?
Jul 29, 2008 - 07:23 pm - Terry,Checkout JackRabbit Marine for good prices on Balmar (and other quality) stuff. They're super knowledgeable, helpful, and only care quality prod...
Jul 30, 2008 - 12:07 am - Damn, that's a lot of money -- is it really worth it?
Jul 30, 2008 - 12:20 am - Terry,It depends on how you use your boat. If you go off gallivanting for weeks or months and do not have solar, wind, or generator power to restore y...
Jul 30, 2008 - 05:31 am - You really don't need to get a balmar. Go to an auto electric shop and have them build you a bigger one, They can even use your old alternator case, o...
Jul 30, 2008 - 06:15 pm - I agree with all that is said about the Balmar but the total system with energy management and heat monitors for both the alternator and batteries are...
Jul 30, 2008 - 10:55 pm - I have been through two failed balmar regulators. one was 13 months after purchase and no satisfaction.not so reliable,
Jul 31, 2008 - 07:13 pm - so did you switch to the handy internal regulator??????
Jul 31, 2008 - 10:47 pm - One point of ref.I hate Balmar (I think they are bad engineers)I had one of there controlers go and fry my battries UGH! (they poted it in epoxy with ...
Aug 01, 2008 - 04:28 pm - If your boat is set up properly there shouldn't be a need for a high out alternator. We considered one befor leaving but decided to try just wind and ...
Aug 01, 2008 - 05:14 pm - Where did you put 210 watts of Solar panels on your boat.I have a 42 with awnings and can only place 110 watts.Pictures would help to. I'm always look...
Aug 15, 2008 - 01:14 pm - Dave, I?ll e-mail some pictures if I can find some. Unfortunately we have had to come home for a few months due to an injury. The boat is on the hard ...
Aug 15, 2008 - 02:39 pm - Dave:I currently have about 320 Watts of pannel on my w32 for picture look at. Look at the stern. http://www.imagine.ws/Graphics/norms32.JPGthere are ...
Aug 16, 2008 - 12:30 am - Norm,Thank you for the picture of Imagine. Now I know how I need to run the control lines from my Monitor windvane. I have not figured out how the ori...
Aug 19, 2008 - 01:56 pm - Dave - here's one option with a 42- ours is set up using a frame over the cockpit with four panels mounted on it. A fifth is up higher, transverse in ...
Aug 20, 2008 - 05:59 am - Thanks for the pic. Funny how one setup works for one cruiser but not for another. We have full boat awnings that would negate what you have.Hopefully...

Aluminum Foil Under Insulation   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Oct 05, 2009 - 03:22 pm - I am insulating the underside of my cabintop with 3/8" volara foam. I am curious if aluminum foil between the foam and the cabintop will create a ...
Oct 06, 2009 - 09:18 am - I think it will work. I did it with hot glue and foil above my headliner. After looking at the way refrigerators should be insulated, I decided it wou...

Aluminum Turttle   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jan 25, 2008 - 08:18 am - Can anyone tell me what issue of Windblown has the article with demintions for an aluminum turttle?
Jan 25, 2008 - 12:02 pm - Don---Fall 2001 pg 19
Jan 26, 2008 - 06:47 pm - Thank you. I have since learned how to spell turtle.Appreciate the help.

Aluminum Watertank Pitting   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jan 16, 2008 - 07:46 pm - I am wondering if anyone else has dealt with pitting of their aluminum water tank. I have a w28 and the watertank is pitted. I have purchased potable ...
Jan 17, 2008 - 06:14 am - Do you know what is on the inside. A friend of mine on another WS just replaced his and the inside looked like Carlsbad Caverns. Said for years they c...
Jan 17, 2008 - 04:42 pm - the insides look good, I am just concerned with having a leak when I am offshore.
Jan 20, 2008 - 08:02 pm - Aluminum is bad news near salt water and salt air, and is readily pitted. Bacteria love the pits, so the water fouls and we use bleach to sterilize th...
Jan 21, 2008 - 12:05 pm - My supplier of poly tanks has at least 100 different sizes and shapes available. The fittings are installed after the tanks are molded, so they can be...
Jan 21, 2008 - 03:14 pm - If yours is still ok, the best way to keep it good is to filter chlorine out of the water going in. Buy a charcoal filter at lowes or home depot and p...
Jan 22, 2008 - 10:34 pm - Does your supplier of oply tanks have a web site? I like that idea better, the pitting is on the outside, the insides look good. It is a major job bec...
Jan 23, 2008 - 11:26 am - The supplier is Ronco Marine Tanks. http://www.ronco-plastics.com

And Another Thing   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

May 10, 2007 - 07:11 am - Last year when I stripped my teak to the wood and applied Cetol I took the opportunity to recaulk the caprail with Boatlife.Now that I'm stripping the...
May 10, 2007 - 01:50 pm - Mike:Was the cracking between the cap rail and the caulk or in the caulk?I have the caulk pulling away from the cap rail on Pygmalion.I called tech su...
May 10, 2007 - 07:19 pm - We caulked our caprail with Boat Life and had the dame problem. Juile removed the Boat life and any old caulking that could be cleand out of any gaps....
May 11, 2007 - 06:54 am - The caulk itself was cracking AND pulling away from the surfaces (between the caulk and caprail & fiberglass).It shouldn't have dried out enough s...
May 11, 2007 - 07:32 am - If the caprails are teak the natural oils quite often will prevent a good bond. The area that will get the caulk needs to be sanded to a blonde clear ...
May 11, 2007 - 01:19 pm - I'd taken the caprails down to bare wood and finished with Cetol before caulking. And I made sure the hull side 'joint' was washed & light sanded ...
May 11, 2007 - 02:06 pm - Mike,Look closly the product I suggested is 4200
May 22, 2007 - 06:49 am - oops.. my bad
May 24, 2007 - 05:39 pm - Mike,I have heard that 5200 will release with heat treatment. Maybe it's worth a try.

Another Deck Question-Bud?   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jan 13, 2009 - 11:34 am - I have another, related issue with Jasmine. I have standing water about two feet forward of the scuppers on deck. This, I am sure has led to some of t...
Jan 13, 2009 - 07:32 pm - Put some blocks of lead in the stern under the floor of the lazarette as trim ballast.
Jan 13, 2009 - 08:40 pm - Or, you could store a spare 100 feet of 3/8 HT chain someplace near the stern. That would be about 150 lbs. or so.
Jan 14, 2009 - 06:43 am - I read in another thread that someone (I can't remember who right now) had rigged some way of storing the chain for the anchors under the sole in the ...

Another Dumb Question   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Nov 08, 2007 - 12:08 pm - Anybody know the approx distance between the grab rails on the cabin top? I need the distance between the two front sets and also the two aft sets (po...
Nov 08, 2007 - 01:12 pm - Gary, Most of the W32's have three sections of handrails. A two loop, a five loop, and a six loop. The are set in about 9" from the cabintop edge,...
Nov 08, 2007 - 01:22 pm - Bud - any chance you can e-mail me a copy?Would be much appreciatedGARYB AT SOCOMI.COM
Nov 08, 2007 - 06:53 pm - I can't email it, as it is a large print in 3/4" = 1' scale. I can have a copy made at a blueprint company for a small charge.

Anyone Done A Hard Dodger?   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Apr 30, 2008 - 11:54 am - interested in hearing about/seeing pix of anyone that's done a hard doger for their 32.thanks!pt
Apr 30, 2008 - 03:30 pm - me too.
Apr 30, 2008 - 05:42 pm - There's a picture of one on a for-sale WS32 at http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1768812/0. I had a look at it a couple of months back --- seemed OK but...
May 01, 2008 - 02:55 pm - I have one, but don't know how to attach the pic.
May 01, 2008 - 08:01 pm - I have some pictures available if you contact me directly I can send them out. btaplin@westsail.com
May 14, 2008 - 11:31 pm - Hi, We did a semi-hard dodger on our Kendall, Daemon, photos on our website www.yachtdaemon.co.nz. The solid top is foam sandwich with fibreglass and ...
May 15, 2008 - 08:25 am - Here's one I did a few years back:image{dodger}

Anyone Rebuilt Their Rudder?   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

May 03, 2005 - 08:42 am - Greetings all,We are about ready to get a new rudder frame and gudgeon built by a local marine fabricator for our W42 kit. We are tempted to simply gi...

Approximate Costs Please   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jan 16, 2005 - 05:20 am - Hi all,We are currenlty in the UK and used to UK prices, it would be very helpful to us to get a handle on current US prices as we intend to purchase ...
Jan 16, 2005 - 10:57 am - It is pretty difficult to estimate what you will encounter as the condition of the available boats varies so widely. You should probably plan on a new...
Jan 16, 2005 - 11:30 am - Hi Tom,I do have the service manual which is why I did not list those items you rightly mention as I have costs for them. It is the Haulout / paint / ...
Jan 16, 2005 - 09:06 pm - Hello Joe and Jane in the UK:I am currently restoring my W32 in Oregon, partly because of the VERY reasonable yard storage costs and lack of taxes on ...
Jan 16, 2005 - 10:02 pm - Hello EdThanks for the info.Our ideal plan would be to buy a boat that needs nothing spending on it (in my dreams huh? :-)).. but reality tells me som...
Jan 16, 2005 - 11:11 pm - Hi Joe n Jayne -Didn't realize you were online right now.The best advice I can give to you regarding prices and yard policies is to use the internet a...
Jan 17, 2005 - 06:01 am - Hello EdGreat info thanks (For example - I have never heard of BoatUS).There are two areas I have no issues with, Electronics / Electrical, and Mechan...

Asbestos In The Bilge?   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Sep 14, 2008 - 03:13 pm - I've currently got a WS 32 under contract in Seattle, and surveying the boat revealed this pile of gunk under the floorboard in what's typically the h...

Baja Naval   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Oct 02, 2006 - 07:35 pm - I was looking at the Baja Naval website, and the prices for labor seem incredibly low -- I've heard that they do good work, too. Anyone have any direc...
Nov 15, 2006 - 10:06 pm - I've only used them on powerboats, but they do magnificent work on just about everything. I think I've had 4 boats painted there for my customers. The...
Dec 03, 2006 - 07:17 pm - Terry-Don't know if it's still relevant to you, but we spent about 7 months at Baja Naval with our K32, Gitane, back in 2002/03. Most of that time we ...

Barlowe Winch Parts???   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Mar 05, 2008 - 10:32 am - I suddenly have a stripped Barlowe 26 2-speed sheet winch.Lord only knows the last time these winches were serviced...Certainly towards the top of my ...
Mar 05, 2008 - 03:35 pm - http://www.arco-winches.com/May take awhile, the're in Austrailia. Best to spend a few bucks and call them. I also hear Lewmar has a kit that some of ...
Mar 05, 2008 - 04:21 pm - Brian go the The Austrailian Winch Company at: www.arco-winches.com they will ahvbe parts for your Barlow's
Mar 05, 2008 - 06:40 pm - thanks guys- bruno at the australian winch co already got back to me- very helpful.

Barrier Coat   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

May 24, 2006 - 05:53 am - Has anyone applied interprotect as a barrier coat? How many gallons did you use and how many coats did you apply? Is a bit of gel coat staining from t...
May 24, 2006 - 03:09 pm - I used epoxy and additive from fiberglass coatings inc.It was much less expensive and 9 years later is still holding up.we had some coloring from old ...
May 28, 2006 - 01:54 pm - Tom,I used interprotect 2000E with good results. You will need exactly 5 kits (gallon size) to do the job. One gallon does one complete coat on a W32....
May 30, 2006 - 06:03 pm - Thanks for the info. How did you deal with the area behind the pads of the boat stands?
May 31, 2006 - 04:10 pm - With great care. Boats have fallen off the stands if they are moved incorrectly. Best ask the yard to move that stands for you.
May 31, 2006 - 05:40 pm - I appreciate that advice. I was actually asking are these areas addressed after the complete coverage of the remainder of the bottom or as each coat i...
Jun 01, 2006 - 07:45 pm - I moved the stands before I applied the next coat (carefully as bud pointed out) and then moved them back to the previous place before I applied the f...
Jun 02, 2006 - 06:33 am - Fortunately, I'm on six stands so I think I can pull this off. If not my widow will be listing a project boat for sale soon! I'll go down to four duri...
Jun 20, 2006 - 02:52 pm - Steve and Vanessa,Did you barrier coat the bottom of your keel? Obviously a large portion of the keel is on blocks. I could do the accessible areas an...
Jun 24, 2006 - 02:41 pm - Yes, I did apply the barrier to the bottom of my keel with the rest of the boat. My boat was on three 16" X 16" blocks. I removed the center o...

Barrier Coat Application   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Apr 07, 2009 - 06:25 pm - Is there anyone who has done the Interlux 2000 barrier coating using the one time application process without curing between coats, and how did you do...
Apr 07, 2009 - 07:36 pm - I used it for Satori. We put on 5 coats with 2 more coats over a area that had some blisters. They ran the lenth of the hull about 18in below the wat...
Apr 08, 2009 - 09:42 am - Hey Alan and Sue and Ken and Deb,That interlux 2000 is every bit deserving of its excellent reputation. I just used it to seal Satori's bottom repairs...
Apr 08, 2009 - 10:13 pm - Alan and Sue,As the others have pointed out multiple coats without sanding works well as long as you stay within the proper window. Interlux is well d...
Apr 10, 2009 - 06:42 pm - I was thinking about this as I was sanding away at the bottom of Odyssey yesterday. Long way to go yet but hope to finish sanding this weekend. The bo...
Apr 14, 2009 - 10:36 am - Jeff: This makes perfect sense. I will try it this way. You mention a gallon a coat. Is this an ample amount or should I be frugal. Thanks Alan
Apr 14, 2009 - 11:15 am - I would like to talk about my barrier coat experience.In 1996 when I bought Jasmine I needed to build out the interior (there were no bulkheads or any...
Apr 14, 2009 - 11:18 am - Alan and Sue,I was working with the Interprotect 2000 in April of last year. I'm in central Florida and the days were fairly warm with cool evenings. ...
Apr 15, 2009 - 10:18 pm - Alan,Rich brought up a good point that I forgot about. After fairing and cleaning the bottom I sealed it with a coat of epoxy and then washed and sand...
Apr 16, 2009 - 05:08 pm - Jeff: So if I understand this correctly, you and Rich believe that a more economical and better way to seal the hull is a plain epoxy like West system...
Apr 16, 2009 - 10:23 pm - Alan,I gave up on West System epoxy a long time ago. But that's just a personal thing. Back when I last had the boat out I had started using Epiglass....
Apr 17, 2009 - 07:03 am - Alan,Just received a timely email from Jamestown Distributors. The deal of the week is on Interlux products. The gallon kit of 2000 is $75 and the qua...
Apr 17, 2009 - 09:59 am - The Interlux barrier coat has something like platletts in it so actually give you more then just an epoxy seal. Also it too is an epoxy based product.
Apr 17, 2009 - 10:59 am - Jeff,Be sure to buy a little extra. It goes a long way, but if you have much work to do, you may really prefer to have double your original estimate, ...
Apr 17, 2009 - 12:14 pm - Jeff: Thank's for the update, and the Interlux deal! I am very comfortable with this process now. I will have to fix blisters. I have yet to" pain...
Apr 21, 2009 - 11:54 am - just so you know, I just bought some epoxy from fiberglass coatings inc in florida (shipped to me).the price was 50 bucks a gallon, hardener included....
Apr 23, 2009 - 04:17 pm - A job poorly done.In 2006, I had the bottom lightly sand blasted to remove the multiple layers of antifouling.In the spring of 2007, the few spots of ...
Apr 23, 2009 - 07:05 pm - Some comments:Jean: I have not used the products you note: But I have worked with many epoxies and epoxy based paint.For an epoxy barrier and then pai...
May 04, 2009 - 10:28 am - Thanks for having taken the time to add a few comments Norm.Long story short: I've noticed that the bottom of the keel hadn't even been blasted, they ...
May 22, 2009 - 11:03 am - I have just finished stripping all the paint and gel coat to the bare hull. This boat has been in the water more than thirty years and I found only tw...

Batteries   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

May 31, 2007 - 06:34 pm - My starting battery is in a location that makes it darned near impossible to get to it to check/fill the cells. It's in its last death throes, and I'm...
May 31, 2007 - 09:17 pm - Terry I am using the AGMsCouple of items to keep in mind1.) they like to be refilled all the way each time. = can't do it at sea.(trickle is to long)2...
May 31, 2007 - 10:32 pm - Terry, take a look at this information, it will help you make an informed decision. www.vonwentzel.net/battery/
Jun 01, 2007 - 09:02 am - Hi Terry, I changed over to AGMs about 1.5 years ago now. The link which Danny posted above is excellent and I referred to it in an earlier post. When...
Jun 01, 2007 - 10:46 am - Hi Terry,Norm sums it up very well. The only thing I'd add is that they can accept a very high current during the bulk charge phase (you can put a lot...
Jun 01, 2007 - 01:04 pm - Hi Terry,I just had to replace my starting battery. For the house, I use 6 volt Trojans. They have held up well in the three years I've owned them.Whe...
Jun 01, 2007 - 11:28 pm - We have 4 six volt golf cart batteries for a total of 440 amps. Two of the batteries are on a shelf in the engine compartment and have to be removed t...
Jun 02, 2007 - 11:35 pm - I'm in sales for Crown Lift Trucks (until I retire in eighteen days. . .yippee!!!) and they are powered by industrial batteries of 12, 24, 36 or 48 vo...
Jun 09, 2007 - 08:02 am - Can I install an AGM starting battery and still keep my flooded house batteries? is it OK to mix types like that?
Jun 11, 2007 - 04:43 pm - Terry,My starting and windlass batteries (Optima's) are isolated from the house bank and charged only by the engine alternator. The house bank is char...
Nov 05, 2009 - 07:49 am - I'm rebuilding my battery shelves in the ER to accomodate the four T105's for the house bank. Any recommendations for battery boxes to contain them? I...
Nov 05, 2009 - 11:32 am - My battery supplier (Battery Exchange in Salem, OR) had plastic, lidded boxes that fit 2 T-105s side by side nicely. Since I was breaking up my 4 into...
Nov 05, 2009 - 05:30 pm - Heres one for 4 http://www.absak.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/23_182/products_id/989

Bedding Down The Boomgallows   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Dec 05, 2008 - 10:01 am - In the process of doing this and wondering which product others have used.I posted this on other forums and got a wide range of answers!
Dec 06, 2008 - 02:22 pm - Gary,What do you mean by "bedding down"? As in, the proper sealant to use around the feet of the gallows where it permeates the caprail?If so,...
Dec 07, 2008 - 03:15 pm - Thats what I ended up using. Was considering Dolfinite but feedback was that it does not stick to SS very well...good for wood to wood I guess.

Best Caulk For Boomkin, Etc??   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Apr 30, 2008 - 08:39 pm - OK, rumor has it this stainless steel boomkin is actually supposed to arrive tomorrow- (!!!) All I guess I will need is a drill and some 'polysulfide ...
May 01, 2008 - 06:08 am - While I have not installed the stainless boomkin my thoughts on the best way would be to drill undersized holes and tap them for the bolts. I would th...
May 01, 2008 - 08:10 pm - Brian, I believe it would be best to drill 3/8" holes, and install the hull pads with polysulphide caulking. Threading bolts into the fiberglass w...
May 02, 2008 - 11:42 pm - Got it- thanks Bud. Any special bit or technique required for drilling fiberglass/plywood core??
May 03, 2008 - 12:37 pm - Brian,One thing I can chime in on - it is important when drilling thick material to frequently back the bit out while it is spinning. Otherwise the bi...
May 04, 2008 - 08:39 pm - Thanks Aaron, actually are a few holes into the aft deck as well.. Is anyone familiar enough with polysulfide ('Boat Life') to tell me a good minimum ...
May 07, 2008 - 12:47 am - To revisit the issue of best caulk for this job... I've been checking around, reading a few posts elsewhere.. Seems that Boat Life takes forever to cu...
May 07, 2008 - 06:22 am - 4200 & 5200 are ployurethane caulks and designed as adhesives. I would stay in the polysulphide family. 3M 101 is a polysulphide that will be tack...
May 07, 2008 - 10:53 am - thanks much, Tom- will see if i can find locally.
May 07, 2008 - 07:37 pm - 101, on the tube, says '2 weeks' to cure. And this at an optimal 70°! Again, I've got maybe 50°- and maybe dipping down as low as 40 at night. I ended...
May 08, 2008 - 01:52 am - Brian,Use polysulfide and give it the time to cure. 5200 and 4200 are glues. You want a sealant, not a glue as glues don't tend to allow flexibility.L...
May 08, 2008 - 04:05 pm - Thanks Aaron, Bud, et al- Wisdom eventually prevails. I swapped back for a tube of Life Caulk and will just give it plenty of time- a week or two- bef...

Best Paint For Nonskid Decks   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Sep 01, 2008 - 10:49 am - I painted the nonskid areas of our fiberglass decks. I used Interlux Topsider. It hasn't worked well at all.First I have trouble getting it to stick. ...
Sep 01, 2008 - 11:46 am - Dick,I've looked into this a lot, and have decided to not use a paint at all. We're going to use Sea-Dek for our non-skid (www.seadek.com). We like th...
Sep 02, 2008 - 12:04 pm - Dick,If the paint is flaking off after such a short time it probably goes back to the prep work and priming. Also perhaps the number of coats, I think...
Sep 02, 2008 - 12:08 pm - Jeff - what do you use to clean the nonskid?
Sep 02, 2008 - 12:15 pm - I used interlux perfection and interlux sand (integrip)After experimenting with several ways of spreading the sand, I found it was best to roll a coat...
Sep 02, 2008 - 04:14 pm - Gary,Nothing fancy. Just a bucket of Simple Green and water.Jeff

Best Wood For Boomkin??   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Oct 22, 2007 - 01:32 pm - OK, I'm deluged with 'opinions' here... Need one or two expert ones (Bud?!) What's the best wood for strength and longevity to replace (original?!) bo...
Oct 22, 2007 - 05:59 pm - Brian, I will restate my opinion that "the best wood is stainless steel". Dry rot has a difficult time with it, as do the termites. It hurts t...
Oct 22, 2007 - 07:12 pm - ok, ok, but IF you had to replace a couple of wooden boomkin pieces... (with wood)~!
Oct 24, 2007 - 11:05 am - Brian,I just made a new bowsprit for our 32 out of Doug Fir, as old growth close grained fir is very difficult and expensive to come by I opted to mak...
Nov 01, 2007 - 10:50 pm - Chris -Did you use kiln dried wood or was it pressure treated.....?
Nov 02, 2007 - 06:33 pm - Don't use pressure treated it will split as it dries.
Nov 02, 2007 - 06:34 pm - Oops I forgot. Pressure treated stainless steel is OK.
Nov 03, 2007 - 11:21 am - Ok, so about to buy my tight-trained fir stock here for a springtime boomkin replacement- knowing little or nothing about wood, wood storage, woodwork...
Nov 03, 2007 - 12:24 pm - Best would be somewhere out of the weather like a garage. Keep above ridiculous freeze and it should be fine.Why not wait till spring to buy? No pile ...
Nov 03, 2007 - 04:14 pm - Air Dried Doug Fir
Nov 03, 2007 - 07:45 pm - If you store the wood in a dry and fairly warm location over the winter, it should be well air dried by springtime. Keep it well supported, but not wi...
Nov 05, 2007 - 10:22 am - I've got a local guy with some 'Purpleheart'- thinks it would be best wood for this job.???
Nov 05, 2007 - 01:29 pm - See link http://www.glen-l.com/wood-plywood/bb-chap5c.html
Nov 05, 2007 - 05:29 pm - ok... checked out link... see all types of both hard- and softwood... but don't seem to find purpleheart??
Nov 05, 2007 - 07:16 pm - I believe you would find purpleheart wood to be too prittle for a boomkin, as is teak. Better stick with straight grain fir.Or better yet, straight gr...
Nov 08, 2007 - 09:29 am - Thanks Bud- I've found a reasonable source for hi-grade fir. Now, so I can have all my ducks in a row... Best type and size fasteners? Backing plates?...
Nov 08, 2007 - 01:18 pm - STAINLESS. Bronze is too expensive and hard to find. Be sure to saturate the wood with epoxy very well after drilling all the mounting holes, and befo...

Bilge Pump Installation...   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Sep 28, 2006 - 09:22 am - I'm planning to install an electric bilge pump in my W32 - all she's ever had is the manual Whale Gusher (1 1/2" port) in the cockpit that came w/...
Sep 28, 2006 - 04:13 pm - T connections between bilge pumps, especially hand/electric, is a bad idea in my book for a few reasons.First, without a one-way valve (which there sh...
Sep 28, 2006 - 04:21 pm - Thanks for the advice, Aaron, That's kind of what I think, too. I guess I was trying to avoid drilling another hole in the hull if I could figure out ...
Sep 28, 2006 - 06:53 pm - I know the feeling. I was some work on a Tartan 37 (including barrier coating from the keel to toe rail) and the owner asked me to drill six new holes...
Sep 28, 2006 - 08:09 pm - I have three bilge pumps: two electric (one 1 1/2" biggy & one smaller 1" 'auto' in sump) and the 1/2" manual whale gusher in the cock...
Sep 29, 2006 - 06:33 pm - We moved the throughhulls for the cockpit drains above the waterline. Our electric bilge pump drains through one of those. The manual bilge pump will ...
Sep 29, 2006 - 08:59 pm - Christie I have some comments on your choices.I am even addressing the issue myself.Issue: If the outlet is below the water line. The check valve will...
Oct 03, 2006 - 12:14 pm - Norm you are absolutely right about the waterline and back leaking. Here is an extremely poor sketch of what we did. The bilge pump drain "T-s"...
Oct 26, 2006 - 11:01 am - I see on Mikes & Norm's posts that they have big bilge pumps - Are these absolutely neccessary? Should I upgrade the Rule 1750 I was going to inst...
Oct 26, 2006 - 02:34 pm - I figure it this way Fred,If I have enough water in my bilge to turn a bilge pump with a high float switch on, I want that sucker to PUMP! 1750 is mor...
Oct 26, 2006 - 03:42 pm - Thanks, Aaron, that sounds pretty logical to me - I've tried to keep the bilge dry in the seven years I've owned the boat, before then there was alway...
Oct 27, 2006 - 07:02 am - This is for anyone...how did you mount the bilge pump in the sump? I have a 2000gph and a float switch I want to install there but havent figured how?...
Oct 27, 2006 - 01:54 pm - The manual shows a piece of 3/4 glassed to the bottom and then you can screw the pump strainer in there. Not an easy thing to do as I did it on our 32...
Oct 27, 2006 - 07:05 pm - Make a fiberglass platform for the pump, and attach a stick to the platform. The top of the stick ahould be easily accessible from just under the cabi...
Oct 27, 2006 - 08:20 pm - Fred:I think your 1750 will most likly do the job for you. My 3800 will pump faster than a 3/4 hose at 45 PSI or = to my deepest thruhual 1.5" ope...
Oct 30, 2006 - 11:49 pm - A couple of comments on the above posts. I have a smaller bilge pump in the bottom of the bilge to look after small amounts of water. The strainer is ...

Bilge Pump Plumbing   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Sep 23, 2008 - 09:02 am - Anybody see anything wrong with plumbing the manual bilge pump outlet line into the cockpit drain just under the cockpit? This will save on a through ...
Sep 23, 2008 - 03:15 pm - Not sure on reverse flow upon a full cockpit?Mine is on its own thru hull about 16" above the waterline about 18" fwd from the stern ( just on...
Sep 23, 2008 - 03:34 pm - I would avoid the cockpit. What is the real difference between an overboard through hull and a cockpit thru hull? Are you looking to save the cost of ...
Sep 23, 2008 - 04:12 pm - Thanks for the feedback. Just to clarify Dave, the output of the bilgepump would T into the cockpit drain just below the cockpit.....a checkvalve woul...
Sep 24, 2008 - 01:14 pm - Any obstruction in a bilge pump line, such as a check valve, is asking for problems.
Sep 25, 2008 - 01:46 pm - I would add to Buds comments. Any avoidable obstruction in the line should be avoided at ALL costs.My elec. pump has one flaper check valve on the out...
Sep 25, 2008 - 02:30 pm - Norm - why does your manual pump require 2 check valves?I had one of those flapper check valves in the outlet of my elec. pump and I ended up taking i...
Sep 25, 2008 - 02:35 pm - Another thing....plumbing the output line of the bilge pump into the cockpit drain would enable me to easily get to any part of the line for maintenan...
Sep 25, 2008 - 02:41 pm - If I looped the bilge pump outlet up to the deck I could eliminate the check valve....then Y into the cockpit drain right at the through hull thus no ...
Sep 25, 2008 - 03:22 pm - Gary :All diaphragm pumps have (built in) check valves when the pump is sucking the discharge is closed and when the pump is discharging the suction i...
Sep 26, 2008 - 08:00 am - Gary,Think of the engine in your car. Without intake and exhaust valves, the piston stroke wouldn't be able to differentiate between being a power str...
Sep 26, 2008 - 10:45 am - Yeah - thanks Steve and Norm....makes sense.

Bilge Pumps   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Apr 22, 2008 - 03:06 pm - Anybody use the combination float switch type?Do the cockpit mounted ones work well?
Apr 22, 2008 - 03:07 pm - I need both. Thanks for any feedback - the first is a floatswitch/pump combination
Apr 22, 2008 - 03:46 pm - Gary - I have cockpit mounted whale-gusher ten that must've been original. Took it apart, repainted it and bought a still available new rubber diaphra...
Apr 22, 2008 - 04:58 pm - Colleen, if you are up to your butt in alligators a electric pump might be a welcome partner.
Apr 22, 2008 - 10:22 pm - Thanks Colleen - is that 10 gallons/minute?

Blisters.....Here's A Well Respected Site For A Good Read   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Mar 17, 2005 - 06:05 pm - http://www.yachtsurvey.com/blisters.htmMany good articles

Boat Haulers   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Mar 16, 2004 - 05:11 pm - I know we have had this discussion here before, but I'll ask again. Who have you used for hauling your W32 and how much was it? What are your recommen...
Oct 01, 2004 - 06:38 pm - S& V - I used San Diego Boat Company a year and half ago to move WS28 from Long Beach to San Francisco. The original hauler called 11th hour and c...
Dec 09, 2007 - 10:05 pm - Never ever ever ever use Able boat transport
Dec 12, 2007 - 12:03 pm - I highly recommend Deep Water Transport out of Washington, NC. I believe they work in 48 states.I used them to move my W28 from Virginia to the Texas ...
May 22, 2008 - 12:00 am - Can-Am Marine Transit, (USA and Canada) from Newport Beach, California to Vancouver, B.C., Canada cost us $3,500 Canadian dollars for our Westsail 32 ...

Boat Stands   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Sep 24, 2008 - 08:15 am - For those of you who store your own boats, what size boat stands do you use? I am planning to use 6, and have 4 x 60" stands (using 8 inch keel bl...
Sep 25, 2008 - 06:20 am - I use 6 Brownell sb-2 with a 6" keel block. These have a height range of 48 - 65 inches.
Sep 25, 2008 - 11:19 am - thanks Tom. Are you touching the boat at a lower point in the stern than midship/bow?
Sep 26, 2008 - 06:50 am - Relative to the waterline they are all about the same. The one furthest aft is about 8 feet from the stern and the forward one is about 6 feet from th...

Bobstay Chainplate Removal   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jun 03, 2008 - 11:49 pm - Hi, I'm looking for pics and info regarding replacement of the bobstay chainplate/tang.New Design? Bronze? Exterior with bolts? Re-glass as per factor...
Jun 04, 2008 - 06:03 am - I pulled my little used one out of our 42. Bud actually tells me it's for a 32. I have it for sale if you're interested. $30 and I'll pay shipping. PM...
Jun 04, 2008 - 06:44 am - Hi thanks for the reply. I'd be really interested in your pics of the new external design and more info about it.
Jun 04, 2008 - 11:19 am - this bothers me too- old installation glassed over, internal- i like to be able to see my chainplates now and then! (and not necessarily have them col...
Jun 04, 2008 - 11:49 pm - yes, PT foundry makes a bronze External for Westsails. Pete sent me a photo, here it is:http://lh5.ggpht.com/BenEriksen/SEdH1Rzs1aI/AAAAAAAACAQ/L7VdcV...
Jun 05, 2008 - 05:22 am - Dman, would like to see the Port Townsend pic but the link gives me nothing.Sorry
Jun 05, 2008 - 07:57 am - Dave,I removed the spaces between the "a" and "y", the "y" and "PTF" and "PTF" and "westsail" and got ...
Jun 06, 2008 - 08:39 pm - try this guys...http://picasaweb.google.com/BenEriksen/BCCDetailsIdeas/photo#5208210474716157346
Jun 06, 2008 - 09:12 pm -
Jun 06, 2008 - 11:03 pm - The link to SS corrosion works fine, and thanks for the link --- interesting read. Unfortunately, all other links lead to either target not being foun...
Jun 08, 2008 - 05:50 am - thanks aaron... there it is!some one needs to let me know how to add a photo into the post.
Jun 08, 2008 - 06:03 am - well i read the instructions about pics, but perhaps firefox MAC isn't supported.Anyways, try this link to photos, theres more there and I had changed...
Jun 08, 2008 - 10:52 am - Ben,All, here is a link to Ben's blog about his BCC. He he has commented on the bobstay tang removal, as well as everything else.BCC ElizabethFrom the...
Jun 08, 2008 - 08:53 pm - Ben,You can use a Mac with Firefox to succesfully upload pix. I've done it occasionally. Have to relearn how every time I do it, though.-Steve
Jun 13, 2008 - 01:18 am - Anyone seen pics of a W32 or larger with this style cast chainplate installed? I'm curious about bolt pattern. How about the idea of straps similar to...
Jun 13, 2008 - 02:13 pm - Ben,It's best to keep the rig out of the water if at all possible. Directional chainplates could work, but a tang on the inside is probably best. Bobs...
Jun 13, 2008 - 10:44 pm - yeah, aaron, im feeling the exact same way after some more research... contemplating bronze for this piece, ie glassed in bronze... thoughts on that?

Bobstay Fittings & Chainplates   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Feb 02, 2008 - 01:05 pm - Has anyone used Monel for chainplates and their fittings? These components are under a lot of tensile stress and are liable to chloride induced cracki...

Bobstay Tension   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jul 31, 2008 - 10:12 am - My new wooden bowsprit's bobstay is slightly slack. (It was fabricated to exacting specifications). The bobstay came with the boat when purchased and ...
Jul 31, 2008 - 12:02 pm - You should have a turnbuckles on all of the stays. Tightens the bobstay turnbuckle until the bowsprit just starts to flex down. Then the headstay will...
Jul 31, 2008 - 08:26 pm - Thanks Bud

Bobstay Zinc   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jan 02, 2006 - 09:31 pm - Anyone know what the size/shape is for this item? Can I get one at West Marine? Part #?
Jan 03, 2006 - 03:13 pm - I just bought a zinc that had bolt holes in it for an outboard or something.rich
Jan 06, 2006 - 09:37 am - I don't know the part number, but I bought one that is a teardrop shape from Westmarine... bolts right through the thimble in the bobstay where it att...
Jan 16, 2006 - 05:43 am - Just replaced one on my W42. I used a 1 7/8" zinc from Camp, item number "R-1". They should be similar for your boat.
Jan 21, 2006 - 10:45 am - If you cannot find the 1-7/8" diameter zinc at a local store, I do carry them in stock.

Bonding Systems And Lightning Strike Report   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jul 15, 2009 - 10:24 am - Lightning struck our marina last Tuesday and a boat (42 Tayana) directly across the pier from my W32 lost a $2,000 relatively new air conditioning sys...
Jul 21, 2009 - 04:14 pm - Update,Damage was $4,000 to neighbor's AC system.Thanks Bud. If I had hooked the standing rigging into all that bronze/copper below waterline stuff wh...

Boom Off For Long Periods?   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Mar 19, 2008 - 06:42 am - Is it ok to take the boom off for a long period?Next Winter we could go to a 35' slip to save money and be in a much better location. We won't sail, b...
Mar 19, 2008 - 08:31 am - Martin and Cathrine,I'm guessing that in looking for a shorter slip that you are actually wondering about taking off the bowsprit for the winter, to r...

Boomkin (wood) Crosspiece Crack!   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Sep 01, 2007 - 12:39 pm - ok, she's got a fairly serious crack on the starboard boomkin main brace (not sure what this piece of wood is officially called)- all three bolts and ...
Sep 01, 2007 - 06:49 pm - Saturating epoxy resin to seal the wood in the crack, then epoxy putty to fill the crack.
Sep 04, 2007 - 08:40 pm - OK... Any number of products out there.. I ended up with two options: 1) 'Marine Tex' from west marine ('gray colored')... Or, after consultation with...
Sep 04, 2007 - 09:31 pm - Brian,Go to: rotdoctor.com
Sep 05, 2007 - 10:10 am - OK, that's 3 options now... and someone else mentioned Resourcinol Waterproof wood glue- Would really love to hear from someone who works with/knows w...
Sep 05, 2007 - 12:46 pm - Brian,I have completely rehabed my 30 year old cracked boomkin's,using "Rot Doctors" CPES penetrating epoxy, West System with filler to fill t...
Sep 06, 2007 - 07:56 am - Also, rescorcinol glue is not for crack filling. It requires the perfect mating of two pieces and then plenty of pressure holding them together while ...

Boomkin - Rig Tension   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jul 20, 2009 - 05:36 am - i'm about to take off the boomkin to replace the wood support blocks (can't afford the s/s version at the moment).i obviously have to disconnect the a...
Jul 23, 2009 - 12:20 am - I replaced my boomkin this Spring. I did not release any tension on the forestay before disconnecting the backstay. I supported the mast on the aft en...

Boomkin Bolts = Mild Plated Steel   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

May 07, 2007 - 07:34 pm - Bud was by Pygmalion a couple of weeks ago and noticed a slight rusting under a boomkin support pad.At his suggestion, I removed the bolt and due to t...
May 08, 2007 - 01:35 pm - Update:Talked to the owner who says he replaced the orginal bronze bolts with what he thought was stainless steel bolts many years ago.
May 09, 2007 - 08:50 am - They could have been low grade stainless and maybe not even a 304. They were originally if memory serves me correct to be Bronze. At least I believe t...
May 10, 2007 - 07:17 am - I'm replacing my boomkin crosspiece (thanks to a large wake that picked me up and set me down on the dock). In the process I noticed a couple of my Bo...

Boomkin Spacer Blocks   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Apr 09, 2008 - 03:00 pm - The original print call for teak spacer blocks.I'm having a heck of a time trying to find teak 1.3/4" thick, nobody seems to want to sell that thi...
Apr 09, 2008 - 03:11 pm - It's about teak's amazing rot resistance over time... That said people certainly use substitutes...Do you need the stainless backing plate for your bo...
Apr 09, 2008 - 04:29 pm - Allready got one, thanks Brian
Apr 09, 2008 - 06:32 pm - Gary,I suggest using Seaboard - incompressible, won't rot, easy to seal. Not cheap, but you can get it thick.If you can't find a source for it, or you...
Apr 10, 2008 - 08:42 am - Thanks for that Aaron - There are a few more places around here to check with, I'll let you know
Apr 10, 2008 - 05:46 pm - It doesnt have to be a solid piece. You can glue it up from thinner stock.
Apr 10, 2008 - 08:53 pm - Thanks Tom. Unfortunately my anal nature won't let me do this.I did find some at a very good price.

Bottom Job   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Nov 29, 2006 - 07:52 pm - Inalla, my WS32, needs bottom paint. Any recommendations for something that will last at least a couple of years in in Southern California? What about...
Nov 30, 2006 - 08:09 am - Hi Terry,Try two coats of Pettit Trinidad...any leftovers you should use to paint the leading edges. It always worked well for me on the Miss coast. I...
Dec 01, 2006 - 10:21 pm - I cast my vote for Pettit Trinidad, also, based on experience in Texas waters. So I just put two coats on my "new" W28. However, the effective...
Dec 09, 2006 - 01:42 pm - Terry, Check with Colonial Boatyard in Wilmington. Also, ask them what paint works well in So Cal. They should know of anybody does.
Jan 14, 2007 - 01:34 am - Wound up getting the work done at Cabrillo Boat Yard -- they were recommended by several folks on my dock. Seems like they did good work, although the...
Jan 28, 2007 - 10:39 am - I think I got ripped off by the good folks at Cabrillo -- how much paint does it take to do one coat plus double at the waterline? According to everyt...
Jan 28, 2007 - 04:01 pm - One gallon with a thick nap roller.

Bottom Paint   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jul 10, 2008 - 06:05 pm - Hi out there, What is your favorite bottom paint? Mine is Trinadad S/R red by Pettit. Thanks, Mark.28 Westsail, Papricia A
Jul 11, 2008 - 12:51 am - Same here. Pricey but worth it. Andrea. Oasis W32 Hull 202
Jul 11, 2008 - 10:15 pm - Yes the Trinadad is $$ big. and so is there thinner.$ 60.00 a pint! Last time I was out I used regular paint thinner $2.00 per gal.And had no problems...
Jul 13, 2008 - 10:13 pm - Mark,Good to hear from another W28 owner. I also chose Pettit Trinadad (not the S/R) red for my W28. Trinadad has a good long-lasting track record in ...
Jul 15, 2008 - 01:36 pm - Hey George,Thanks for the input about the Trinidad being good here in Texas. I'm about to paint the bottom of my W32 in a week or so, as soon as I ins...

Bottom Paint   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Dec 08, 2008 - 11:04 am - I've probably missed it, could somebody tell me please how much bottom paint (anti-fouling)I need for my W42, especially as the price in Mexico is $$£...

Bottom Paint -- Remove Or Paint Over?   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Oct 31, 2005 - 10:56 pm - I recently purchased the W32 Inalla, hull #197, and was told by the broker that she thought the bottom paint needed to be removed and the the hull rep...
Nov 02, 2005 - 07:08 pm - You can use a marine paint remove. They work quiet well. You will however need to sand then if you plan on barrier coating. If you want to paint over ...
Nov 02, 2005 - 07:23 pm - the easiest method is to get the guy at the marina to sand blast it.
Nov 05, 2005 - 06:14 am - Just so happens we are stripping the bottom paint off Calypso too. We will be running a test area using a Peel Away type striper today. Will let you k...
Nov 06, 2005 - 08:36 am - I tried Peel Away Marine on my boat with poor results but then everything I have tried has yielded poor results. The top layer removes easily with pai...
Nov 06, 2005 - 06:38 pm - If the stuff sticks that well, I'd be sorely tempted to leave it! Why is it that the stuff we want to remove is bulletproof, and the stuff we want to ...
Nov 07, 2005 - 04:46 am - We have come to the conclusion that no matter what you do this is a nasty job. We removed about 1/3 of one side this weekend using the West marine ...
Nov 07, 2005 - 06:44 pm - Human nature being what it is, I tried a stripper on my 32, but it was a waste of money. I used a rotary sander and 3M 36 grit sanding discs (60 and 8...
Nov 14, 2005 - 03:03 pm - Oh thank god for you guys! We are doing this on Daemon as well, and invested in a small tankerload of Sea to Sky paint stripper (apparently so eco-fri...

Bottom Two Gudgeons   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Mar 23, 2008 - 10:47 pm - Are they through bolted through the hull? If the bolts are not properly caulked will water get into the ballast area?Thanks for any help
Mar 24, 2008 - 06:04 am - They are through bolted. I believe the area is solid glass.

Bow Sprit End Cap   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jun 09, 2006 - 02:49 pm - I have been repairing my delaminated Bow Sprit and have been trying to remove the end cap for inspection. I have tried a wood block against the tabs f...
Jun 17, 2006 - 11:08 am - The end cap on my boat came off without too much pounding - I'm sure you must have removed the two screws first...Maybe some of that "anti -bond&#...

Bowsprit Replacement   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jan 23, 2007 - 03:18 pm - I finally finished building a new bowsprit for Galena. Story and pictures at Galena's Website.I used three 2x6s of Douglas Fir. I'll post a follow-up...
Jan 31, 2007 - 04:52 pm - Hi Bill,I am in the process of building a new sprit for s/v "Moondance". I have the schematic for demensions, however it gives the length as 9...

Brightwork Alternatives   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Aug 25, 2006 - 03:12 pm - I was at Home Depot yesterday, and they had 3M 5200 for less that half what West Marine charges -- same stuff exactly, just less money!While I was the...
Aug 26, 2006 - 12:09 pm - Spar varnish is a good choice if you want a varnish finish. Somewhat hard to keep up with though. Try Armada finish, available at Boaters World. I fou...
Aug 26, 2006 - 11:06 pm - Terry,If you own your own business of any sort, look into get a Port Supply account. You get everything for West Marine's wholesale price, which can b...

Bronze Shaft Log + Ss Bolts = Shot Log   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Aug 05, 2008 - 07:19 pm - A word to the wise, be sure to use bronze mounting bolts to mount your shaft log/cutless bearing housing. Stainless steel bolts can and will cause ele...
Aug 06, 2008 - 05:57 pm - not to mention stainless itself won't hold up under water.

Butyl Strips Under Cockpit Flange?   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Aug 12, 2008 - 03:51 pm - Anybody used this material when installing the removable cockpit of the older boats?Thanks for any input
Aug 12, 2008 - 06:31 pm - I love butyl but I wouldn't use it in this applicaion unless I didn't intend to open the hatch again. After compression butyl becomes very stringy and...
Aug 12, 2008 - 11:23 pm - Whoa, please tell what butyl is and looks like. I have ordered some great industrial 1/2" by 1 1/4" black rubber gasket material for that purp...
Aug 13, 2008 - 05:36 pm - butyl is what was traditionally used as a seal around a windshield. It does not cure. This makes it great for bedding ports as it will reseal itself.

Cabin Sole Finish   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Oct 26, 2006 - 08:58 am - I'm going to refinish my cabin sole and I've been researching different types of varnish (i.e. 'soft' varnish = good traction but doesn't wear well, '...
Oct 26, 2006 - 11:01 am - Mike, Usually a clear teak oil was used, such as the one sold by H & L Marine, the maker of many of the teak trim parts.
Oct 26, 2006 - 03:29 pm - Mike,The Dashew's write about using crushed Walnut shells. Much like mixing grit into the paint for nonskid. The advantage of the crushed Walnut shell...
Nov 10, 2006 - 08:08 pm - We have just finished ours with Ultimate Sole advertised in most sailing mags.and are impressed with the product. It has the look of high gloss, with ...
Nov 12, 2006 - 08:43 pm - We second the opinion of Jim and Julie. Ultimate Sole looks great, easy to put on and if kept clean non skid.

Cabin Sole In W32   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Nov 06, 2007 - 02:41 pm - Does anybody know a source for the teak and bass material used for the cabin sole? It would be great to buy it pre-laminated....Also, how was the mate...
Nov 06, 2007 - 05:34 pm - We used 1/2" thick teak x 1-3/4" wide. The basswood was cut to 3/8" x 1/2", and stapled to the edge of each of the teak strips.It was ...
Nov 06, 2007 - 06:32 pm - Thanks Bud

Cabin Sole Lock Down   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Feb 07, 2006 - 11:05 am - Any ideas on securing the cabin sole to prevent it from comming adrift in a role over?
Feb 07, 2006 - 11:14 am - I know several people have addressed this issue, so go to the bottom of this page a do a search.
Feb 08, 2006 - 07:30 pm - I have turning lock lift handles available from ABI, in bronze or stainless steel. Their part numbers 330310 bronze medium, 330377 SS medium, and 3305...

Cabin Sole Needs Paint! Advice Please.   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Feb 22, 2009 - 09:44 am - Need to "paint" the cabin floor. Teak and holly. I used Cetol once before and it seemed O.K. but I'm not sure it was the best choice. What thi...
Feb 22, 2009 - 02:28 pm - Ultimate sole or Gym seal are the two choices I know of
Feb 22, 2009 - 04:08 pm - I've heard nothing but good things about Ultimate Sole.
Feb 22, 2009 - 05:48 pm - We used ultimate sole and are happy with it. But we should have put on more coats but ran out of time.
Feb 22, 2009 - 07:06 pm - I am persuaded. Just ordered Ultimate Sole. Thank you all.Ken
Feb 23, 2009 - 08:03 am - We love the Ultimate Sole on our sole. Followed the directions and it wears well. If it gets dirty of course you can slide some.One thing to be aware ...

Cabin Top Leaks   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Dec 26, 2008 - 09:22 am - I have an annoying leak (or several leaks) around the skylight hatch (or what ever it is called) that comes out at the corners of the inside frame. I ...
Dec 26, 2008 - 06:23 pm - Your one the right track. Keep closing off options. Sound to me like it may be at your mast and running down the easiest route. Good luck. It's worth ...
Dec 26, 2008 - 09:00 pm - Yeah - check the highest point...dorades etc
Dec 28, 2008 - 04:04 pm - Hi Frank,I currently am having a similar problem with a cabintop hatch. I would like to be able to offer a solution but I havn't started to track it d...
Dec 29, 2008 - 05:34 am - I am going to do just that, in fact I am getting ready to remove all the hatches, cover the resulting holes with pieces of plywood and plastic sheetin...
Dec 29, 2008 - 06:34 pm - Frank,Another tip I forgot to mention: If the boat has a hard headliner it is generally pretty easy to drop a ceiling panel in suspected areas of cabi...
Jan 11, 2009 - 09:28 pm - My cabin top is wood (tongue and groove.) I am not sure how I would remove this. I have taped plastic over the main cabin hatch and this seems to have...

Cabintop Gelcoat Failure   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Aug 21, 2007 - 09:04 am - The continuing s/v Moondance refit saga: I was at the boat yesterday removing and filling a couple of cabintop fittings relating to an old dodger inst...
Aug 21, 2007 - 07:19 pm - It is very common. The easy fix is to remove, fill, and fair any obviously loose areas, coat the balance with a high build primer, and paint. Over tim...
Aug 22, 2007 - 10:27 am - Tom,Thanks for the reply. As I am a best job kind of guy, I would be inclined to remove all the gel and be assured of having a sound substrate to bond...
Aug 22, 2007 - 03:32 pm - Chris,Sounds like a good plan. I'm curious which coating you're thinking of. When we haul in December, we're going to replace the treadmaster on Asia ...
Aug 22, 2007 - 04:00 pm - Link to just one of the ones I have been looking at,there are many.http://www.ultratuff.net/utmindex.htm
Sep 26, 2007 - 11:06 pm - Has anyone tried the rubberized flexible non-skid coatings on their decks? Results? I am interested in trying it soon but would appreciate some feedba...
Mar 04, 2008 - 12:20 pm - Henry or Chris - did you go ahead with the non skid? I have to do the same thing soon....any feedback would be great
Mar 04, 2008 - 03:27 pm - Chris- We had the same problem on the cabin top, filled and faired hairline cracks all around the main hatch during refit and freshly painted. After o...
Mar 05, 2008 - 04:33 pm - After much inspection I have determined that the cracks are in the non skid coating that appears to have been applied over any gelcoat. My solution to...

Can Anyone Recommend A Boatyard Near Charleston, SC   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Mar 25, 2008 - 06:22 pm - We are moving our W32 to Charleston, SC and I am looking for a yard that does good work at a decent price. Mainly just remove old bottom paint, apply ...
May 10, 2008 - 08:07 am - David,Did you ever find a yard in Charleston? I might be coming that way.
May 10, 2008 - 12:23 pm - DON'T go to Ross's Boatyard. I would use the boat yard at Rockville. Not sure of name but there is only one. Good luck.
May 21, 2008 - 09:53 pm - STAY OUT of Charleston, the city and the county. For starters, they have a property tax on cars, motorcycles, planes and boats there, 5% of their idea...
May 22, 2008 - 03:08 pm - Just spent a week at the Charleston City Marina on a friend's 70' schooner. The people there were very nice, gave my friend a lot of breaks on the cos...

Caprail - Fiberglass, Wood, Or Both?   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Feb 04, 2009 - 02:19 pm - Hey all,I'm making making a new thread, despite having posted this in the "Ipe" thread, as it's sort of a different topic.--I had an idea toda...
Feb 04, 2009 - 02:59 pm - There is a W32 in our marina here (Andor) that is like that. I will take a picture and post it sometime.
Feb 04, 2009 - 08:04 pm - Gary,That would be great! There is a pilothouse W32 on Yachtworld with a flush deck and fiberglass-topped bulwarks, but that is the only one I've seen...
Feb 05, 2009 - 08:44 pm - if you are going to do that why not just go over the teak and save some work 6 layers of glass will make it watertight one negitive, its called ugly u...
Feb 06, 2009 - 09:34 am - "one negative, its called ugly"That pretty much says it for me. LOLAaron, the organic parts of a boat are what give it its soul... less organi...
Feb 06, 2009 - 03:12 pm - Here you go Aaron:
Feb 06, 2009 - 11:32 pm - Gary,Thanks for shooting the photos. It certainly changes the look of the boat, and I'm not sure if it's for better or worse. That particular example ...

Caprail Cover - Westsail 42   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Apr 08, 2007 - 05:20 pm - Happy Easter everyone - Curious if anyone had pattern or canvas that you will be replacing for the Cap-Rail on a Westsail 42. Regards, Chris

Caprail: Paint Or Bright Finish   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Feb 05, 2009 - 08:06 am - This is along the same lines as Aaron's question about replacing the teak caprail but it's different enough to warant a new thread.So, as much as I lo...
Feb 05, 2009 - 01:32 pm - IMHO painting teak caprails would be a crime. Bristol finish two part urethane would be a great choice if you want bright. Another option would be pur...
Feb 05, 2009 - 03:16 pm - Varnishes with UV filters like Epifanes are fantastic once you build up multiple coats. After you have your base established and you see the gloss is ...
Feb 05, 2009 - 06:29 pm - Some owners put a good varnish job on the teak, then paint over it. That way the paint does not go into the grain of the teak, and since the paint las...
Feb 06, 2009 - 09:28 am - Just a couple of thoughts on the caprail... that's what I step up on to get in the boat. Add water and a bright finish and you takes your chances.My b...
Feb 06, 2009 - 10:19 am - I think I will use Cetol on the cap & rub rails next time - I have the Bristol 2 part on them now, it looked awesome at first but over time it has...
Feb 06, 2009 - 06:52 pm - Try Armada rather than Cetol. Gives a better clear finish, and lasts longer. Harder to find stores that sell it though.
Feb 07, 2009 - 10:36 am - Okay, I'm convinced not to paint the caprails. I do prefer the look of the wood. I'll go with Armada and hope the tropic sun doesn't eat it up too fas...
Feb 07, 2009 - 05:16 pm - Once you put on sufficent coats of Armada, I have seen it last well for over two years in the Texas sun and heat.
Feb 07, 2009 - 06:16 pm - How many coats are sufficient?
Feb 08, 2009 - 11:38 am - You gotta follow the directions on the can.
Feb 09, 2009 - 02:31 pm - I'm psyching myself up to start stripping the paint (Petit) from my caprails, boom gallows and grab rails, and refinish in "natural" wood. No ...
Feb 10, 2009 - 09:38 am - Careful use of a heat gun is probably the easiest way to get old paint and varnish off the wood. You do have to be careful to not scorch the wood thou...
Feb 10, 2009 - 11:55 am - Heat gun first, definitely. If the grain on your wood is fairly smooth, that might be all you'll need. Use the flat nozzel on the heat gun so that you...
Feb 10, 2009 - 03:26 pm - Before we left in July 07 we striped our caprails and applied two coats of west epoxy. We then applied eight coats of Crystal by Detco and just now ne...
Feb 10, 2009 - 04:42 pm - The surface of the paint is quite smooth with no signs of wood grain and the few places that have chipped show smooth wood underneath, so maybe this w...
Feb 18, 2009 - 03:55 pm - Just ordered the TeakGuard so I guess I'm committed to removing paint from the caprail and sundry other pieces. Have also ordered the AirHead toilet s...

Cetol   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Nov 18, 2005 - 09:25 am - I need to refinish the cap rails on my boat, and I've been told that Cetol lasts a lot longer than oil or varnish and is a lot easier to apply. Any of...
Nov 18, 2005 - 10:07 am - We went with oil on our caprails. IMO It offers better traction than varnish or cetol. Plus, if a line or foot scuffs the finish, you can easily sand ...
Nov 19, 2005 - 05:35 pm - I have used Cetol, however I believe that Armada is a better product that Cetol. Looks better, and goes on even in damp weather without blushing. Made...
Nov 20, 2005 - 06:29 pm - As I finish scraping/sanding (apparently) decades of old varnish/cetol off my bow platform, caprails, rubrails, cockpit & lazarette trim and boomk...
Nov 21, 2005 - 01:14 pm - We have tried most of the products out there. We have settled on Crystel varnish by Detco. Last spring we stripped the cap rails and applied two coats...
Nov 25, 2005 - 07:48 am - I am curious how Cetol users who also have the traditional teak strip main hatch address the issue of Cetol's interaction with polysulphide caulk. I a...
Nov 26, 2005 - 07:10 pm - What interaction are you talking about with Cetol?
Nov 27, 2005 - 09:04 pm - According to manufacturers of polysulphide caulks products containing petroleum distilates such as cetol interact with the caulks causing them to soft...
Nov 28, 2005 - 07:12 am - I have coated El Viajero's timber with cetol and cannot speak highly enough of the product. It does not go off like varnish and is so easy to recoat. ...
Nov 28, 2005 - 01:07 pm - you can always remove the caulk from the hatch and fill the seams with colored (black) epoxy then use your cetol over the whole thing.
Oct 04, 2008 - 07:02 pm - I have some Cetol light and some Armada finish. I am interested in comparing the two, after reading other posts on this thread. I have just finished s...
Oct 08, 2008 - 10:49 am - Hi:On all of my previous boats and my current W32 I've used Epifanes Gloss with UV protection. It's totally clear and beautiful. All you need to do is...
Oct 08, 2008 - 12:28 pm - Since I wrote my last post, I read an old article from Practical Sailor (2001) rating various varnishes and other similar coatings, which rated Honey ...
Oct 08, 2008 - 07:05 pm - Remember, if you're in the S. then stick w/ Honey Teak. It's the only one that will last and last and last in the Sun. IMHO, I have it, and we varnish...
Oct 09, 2008 - 08:08 am - Frank & Melanie,After your post yesterday, I looked at some back issues of PS as well. They did another test, specifically on teak, starting in 20...
Oct 09, 2008 - 01:19 pm - We use a varnish I don't hear mentioned much and that's Crystal by Detco. Our boat lived in the Cal. Valley and the summers are brutal, 100/110 degree...
Oct 13, 2008 - 04:44 pm - We used cetol natural teak on our boat....
Oct 13, 2008 - 06:52 pm - No rudder cheeks yet
Oct 13, 2008 - 06:56 pm -
Oct 14, 2008 - 08:17 am - Gary & Charlotte;I like the way your brightwork looks. Maybe we'll wander down the coast some time this winter and see how the Cetol is holding up...
Oct 14, 2008 - 09:49 am - Sorry about the huge pictures - mods feel free to downsize.This is 3 coats on wood taken right down. The boomkin and sprit are varnish
Oct 14, 2008 - 04:43 pm - Steve - you guys are welcome any time

Chain Storage   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Oct 29, 2006 - 11:11 am - For those of you have removed your showerpan and store your chain there: Do you lead your chain from the chain locker below the fiberglass pan to the ...

Chainplate Replacement Problem...   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Oct 30, 2004 - 10:05 am - Has anyone ever replaced any or all of the chainplates? One of mine (middle starbrd side for the upper shroud) was damaged beating against the dock du...
Oct 30, 2004 - 11:21 am - They are carage bolts i.e. You have to cut.Two Recomendations use a "multi master"http://www.toolking.com/fein/view.asp?ID=5120You will also n...
Oct 30, 2004 - 03:46 pm - Thanks, Norm, for the advice,and the links to the tools - sounds like a plan... Is that the 1 3/8" E-cut blade I need? Does the tool come w/ that?...
Oct 30, 2004 - 04:20 pm - I'm about to replace a lower shroud chainplate as well, the one most fwd on the port side. The ex, ex-owner got smacked by another boat and bent it ab...
Oct 30, 2004 - 04:47 pm - Well, that'll teach me to assume...I took a look at the newly arrived replacement chainplate (it was still all wrapped up) and sure enough there are 4...
Nov 01, 2004 - 07:59 am - Yes, Mike, I have a W32 and as you've found out, there is a bolt behind the rubrail... The reason I knew is because on one of the chainplates, that bo...
Nov 02, 2004 - 08:44 am - What I'm wondering about is how to access the top two nuts from the interior.I can access the bottom two fairly easily thru the locker (behind the sin...
Nov 03, 2004 - 09:17 am - I am wondering if you cut the rubrail twice to remove it will it fit when you want to replace it since it will be shorter by two blade widths. Might i...
Nov 03, 2004 - 03:18 pm - Actually I think the saw I'm going to use will be a japanese razor, dozoki (sp?) or dovetail saw. The blade thickness is on the order of a few thousan...
Nov 03, 2004 - 03:33 pm - Sounds like a great idea but please post your results here so we dont have to wait a year to find out how it went.
Nov 03, 2004 - 05:55 pm - LOL... not a problem ;)
Nov 05, 2004 - 11:30 pm - Some tips from (been there done that)Tool called a Gear wrench (box end that ratchets) is sooooooooooooo helpfull.Tip # 2 (on the re install) use grea...
Nov 08, 2004 - 08:12 am - Well instead of going sailing on such a beautiful day yesterday, I removed the panelling from the pilot berth, and lo & behold, at least two of th...
Dec 05, 2004 - 09:03 am - The more I examine how to approach replacing my chainplate the more convinced I've become that the chainplates were fitted to the hull before the deck...
Dec 28, 2004 - 11:33 pm - I've just replaced all of my chainplates. One was behind the closet and there was no way to get to the top two bolts without removing the closet. I to...
Dec 29, 2004 - 07:14 am - two and four inch holes? Wow...I'm looking at drilling a hole topside to get access to the top bolt myself. I figured I'd keep it no bigger than what ...
Dec 29, 2004 - 11:44 pm - The four inch hole was required because I needed to get at both of the upper bolts, the lower of which is about at the deck line. I cut that hole with...
Dec 30, 2004 - 11:42 am - We ordered new chainplates from Bud befor we removed ours, even though we didn't have reason to suspect cracking other than age. It took me three days...
Jan 16, 2005 - 09:23 pm - It sounds like Jim and Julie had the same situation as me. It took an extra long box/open end wrench (longest I could find) and a 'cheater' to extend ...
Apr 13, 2005 - 04:28 pm - All,I just removed my chainplates and the two lowest bolts on the center chainplates (uppers) were actually under the bulkhead tabbing. When you came ...
Apr 13, 2005 - 06:08 pm - We did not repair the bulkhead tabbing. It's not enough to be of structural importance.Jim
May 16, 2005 - 09:07 am - When reinstalling the chainplates do you caulk wherever the metal meets the fiberglass hull? When I removed mine the entire backside of the chainplate...
May 16, 2005 - 06:46 pm - You should only put a donut of caulking around each bolt hole. Sealing the stainless steel with caulking can lead to corrosion due to oxygen starvatio...
May 17, 2005 - 05:25 pm - Good day Jeff:I do want to add a bit additional information to that which Bud has presented. All corrosion occurs through a chemical reaction (a batte...
Apr 01, 2007 - 09:15 am - I have just discovered a crack in my port aft chain plate.After re-reading the above posts -1. do I need to do all the plates -- what did those of you...
Apr 01, 2007 - 03:53 pm - Obviously interior cabinetry layouts vary but in my case I was able to remove all nuts with a ratcheting 9/16" wrench. Like most boat projects not...
Apr 01, 2007 - 05:04 pm - Thanks Tom for the info I was wondering on the size issue.Did you find cracks in some or all of your chain plates after removal that didn't show up on...
Apr 02, 2007 - 10:47 am - Interiors vary some, however I was able to remove all chainplates without cutting any of the boat to pieces, I hate cutting boats. I am 6' 200lbs and ...
Apr 21, 2007 - 03:12 pm - I replaced the aft port CP successfully (no holes in the deck) and if you want to see the photo's gotohttp://www.geocities.com/jay_bietz@sbcglobal.net...

Chainplates   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jun 11, 2007 - 12:20 pm - I am in the process of re-rigging our boat, as such I was examning the chain plates. I see that all of the chainplates have a slight bend inward excep...
Jun 11, 2007 - 04:27 pm - The middle chainplate is for the uppers and should be straight. The lowers have a bend in them. If the port upper is bent it may have been replaced wi...
Jun 12, 2007 - 07:58 am - Thanks Jeff, do you know if a rigging plan exists anywhere for the 32, it would be helpful in putting her back together?
Jun 12, 2007 - 10:27 am - Contact Bud. He has a CD available that someone had scanned the drawings onto.

Chainplates   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Dec 28, 2004 - 11:25 pm - I've recently replaced all 6 of my chainplates. Bud discovered one to be cracked during the survey 2 years ago when I bought the boat (Cape Farewell W...
Dec 29, 2004 - 07:27 am - I'm curious... which four did you find cracked? Did you see a 'pattern'? That is, was it just the 4 lower stay chainplates that were cracked? Or maybe...
Dec 29, 2004 - 11:06 pm - Mike,There did not seem to be a pattern. Only one of the uppers was cracked and there was a lot of variation in the severity of the cracks but that sh...

Cleaning Bronze Portlights   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Oct 16, 2004 - 07:58 am - While I don't want to lose the beautiful patina on the portlight exterior, I'm thinking it would make the interior a bit more 'refined' if the portlig...
Oct 16, 2004 - 02:09 pm - You might try Tarn-X. It is a thin liquid. It doesn't list bronze but should be safe. I also saw a post in the menbers area suggesting wiping the bron...

Coatings For Bud's Aluminum Fuel Tanks   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jul 23, 2008 - 12:16 pm - Hi gang,For anyone interested, I spent some time seriously coating the new fuel tanks I got from Bud. First, sanded to roughen texture. Then, etched t...

Cockpit Floor Sealing Ideas   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Sep 09, 2007 - 10:14 am - Brian's post in the engine section made me think about this.Has anyone ever come up with a real solution to sealing the cockpit floor. I have tried do...
Sep 09, 2007 - 03:54 pm - Interesting timing! I have been mulling this issue of late as I have just removed all the misc. items mounted in the cockpit well in preparation for p...
Sep 09, 2007 - 04:09 pm - Yes, obviously has me thinking too! I like the idea, which I think I saw in Bud's Service Manuel (?), of a single hook-type tiedown with heavy shock c...
Jan 09, 2008 - 11:43 pm - I have just installed some perko cam fittings to the cockpit sole which are exceptionally good. I have photos of the installation in my December 07 jo...
Jan 10, 2008 - 11:21 am - Rod - Thanks for the idea! This is a great solution, as I'm constantly taking the floor up to battle with the engine, and so held off bolting it back ...
Jan 10, 2008 - 03:36 pm - Rod,I shudder to think what those little babies cost. But as they say "what the boat wants the boat gets". Is your floor hinged? I have heard ...
Jan 10, 2008 - 05:26 pm - ABI has a hatch lift handle with turning lock available, and I can sell them for a fairly reasonable price. They will work.
Jan 10, 2008 - 07:44 pm - Bud,Which lift handle is it? Do you have a picture or reference at which I can gander?Thanks,Aaron N.
Jan 13, 2008 - 09:31 am - Check the ABI website for their catalog. Items #330310, #330377, and 330510
Jan 14, 2008 - 06:02 am - Tom, the fittings are only around Aus$40.00 and are of a very high quality solid polished stainless steel. Colleen, they have a gasket built in and af...

Cockpit Lights For Night Sailing   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Feb 26, 2006 - 08:47 am - When I started refinishing Pygmalion (WS32) I removed the custom cockpit light as it was a mess.Looking around at various marine supply catalogs, I ca...
Mar 03, 2006 - 09:58 pm - Thanks to Aaron Norlund who sent me these links -- looks like there are lots of choices.https://secure.cazbah.net/index.asp?category=15163http://www.h...

Cockpit Sole Hatch   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Aug 22, 2009 - 11:12 pm - Now you see it:Now you don't:Now to figure out what kind of seal to use, what kind of closure to use and what kind of handle to use. But the hard part...
Aug 22, 2009 - 11:15 pm - Okay, let's try that again:Now you see it:Now you don't:
Aug 23, 2009 - 11:13 am - Good looking job Steve. Use foam tape to seal.A very simple way to secure the hatch lid is to attach a board to the underside of the hatch lid with on...
Aug 23, 2009 - 04:00 pm - Thanks, Bud. So you're basically talking about what I call a toggle. Once I get the hatch back in the boat, I'll have to see how hard it is to reach a...
Aug 23, 2009 - 04:11 pm - Get some foam tape from Home Depot.
Aug 23, 2009 - 09:18 pm - Steve,I like the hatch in your cockpit sole. Definitely the neatest installation I have seen. I guess the trick now is to make it waterproof (even in ...
Aug 24, 2009 - 08:31 am - how do you keep water in the cockpit from drenching the engine and trans?rich
Aug 24, 2009 - 08:58 am - Someone suggested that I seal the cockpit hatch with silicone caulk, along the outer edge. This would be in addition to the rubber gasket I built.Has ...
Aug 24, 2009 - 10:15 am - George,Thanks for the compliments and I'm glad to hear you enjoy my blog.As to sealing everything up, I'm going with Bud's suggestion: foam weatherstr...

Cockpit Sole Removal   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Dec 12, 2004 - 05:56 pm - Evening friends. I just came to the unpleasant realization that upon removing my port fuel tank, I cannot remove it from the engine room. I have read ...
Dec 12, 2004 - 06:59 pm - If it's not one thing it's another eh?I'm confused what 'seam' you're referring to. Are you saying there is nothing in the sole of your cockpit well t...
Dec 12, 2004 - 07:34 pm - you guessed it, my cockpit would serve just as well as a fifty gallon bathtub, (with the the scuppers blocked). The seam that I see would allow me to ...
Dec 13, 2004 - 05:30 pm - Well Joseph & MonicaSome one has glassed your whole hatch in.look at the following address for what the floor of the cockpit should look like with...
Dec 13, 2004 - 05:34 pm - opps on the http: Bad link on previoustry the westsailowners group on Yahoo then under photos and looking in sv Synergy /engine room /dcp1923
Dec 13, 2004 - 09:09 pm - I thought about that and it isn't that it is glassed in, it never existed. I can remove the entire cockpit, it is in a reinforced frame, the glass is ...
Dec 14, 2004 - 09:15 pm - I added the oval Bomar hatch to my removable hatch. To allow for a fast access to the engine room. If your floor has no raised section you could go fo...
Dec 15, 2004 - 07:37 am - Some of the older boats don't have removable floors. The whole thing comes out. There is a boat in the marina we have Jasmine in that has this config.
Dec 15, 2004 - 09:42 am - I have one of the older model boats with the removeable cockpit. I kind of like it, as when the engine has to come out, it makes things a whole lot ea...
Dec 18, 2004 - 09:17 am - Steve, was you cocpit 'tub' glassed in? i will have to make a cut around the perimeter of my cockpit to remove the assembly. It appears to be a single...
Dec 18, 2004 - 02:54 pm - I just resealed my icebox lids with some Taco closed cell hatch seal material. Seems to work great too (my ice sure lasts longer now that I have good ...
Dec 21, 2004 - 06:57 pm - Joseph,My tub is held in place with flat head screws. Since removal is not an everyday thing, I seal mine with plain ol' polysulfide sealant. I am a b...

Companionway Doors   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Sep 07, 2009 - 09:53 pm - Does anyone have a picture of their companionway doors? These are the type that replace the drop boards. I knew I forgot to take pictures of something...

Companionway Hatch And Turtle W32   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Nov 14, 2007 - 06:11 pm - Our boat has (hull #119) has the old hatch setup (heavy sliding hatch with no turtle)I'm looking for ideas on how to make this a bit more user friendl...
Nov 14, 2007 - 08:08 pm - I do have some pictures of an owner that used the teak sliding hatch as the turtle, and made a plexiglass sliding hatch to cover the opening and go un...
Nov 14, 2007 - 08:53 pm - Bud - is this the drawing you are referring too?http://www.sv-galena.com/WOM/images/FullSize/Dinette_drop_rail.jpgIam building a big list of stuff to ...
Nov 15, 2007 - 09:27 am - I have also been looking for a replacement companion way hatch so please include me in on the information.Gary--e-mail me with your e-mail address and...
Nov 15, 2007 - 01:10 pm - We completly redid the 500 lb hatch on our 42. The admiral is only 100 lbs. We copied the new model 32's and 28's hatch and instead of a wooden slider...
Nov 15, 2007 - 02:13 pm - Dave - that looks really good!Would you care to share the procedure and material list?Thanks for your help
Nov 15, 2007 - 04:24 pm - I don't have exact details....but here is what I remember. I used the 500lb tortose for the form for the hatch. I used 2 x 4's for modeling the sides....
Nov 15, 2007 - 05:51 pm - Dave - do you have any more pictures showing the slider in more detail? If you have a picture of the form that would be great too.....I'm interested.Y...
Nov 15, 2007 - 06:01 pm - Check your email.
Nov 30, 2007 - 07:29 pm - Dave,I'm rebuilding my hatch as well and would also like any more photos you can offer that will show the form and slider.Tom Koehl

Companionway Hatch Turtle Conversion - Lexan   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Dec 28, 2008 - 01:11 pm - Hello all,My boat has a wooden framed, acrylic topped companionway hatch that slides on a wooden track into an open area. I am interested in replacing...
Dec 29, 2008 - 07:44 am - I converted our old style WS (Read Large - Heavy) hatch to the newer lower profile hatch. I can't find any pics right now but hopefully today I'll try...
Dec 29, 2008 - 07:59 pm - Aaron,Our 32 has a beautiful teak hatch with turtle (Sea hood)solid teak planks, truly a joy to behold. I believe that the Westsail build manual has t...
Dec 30, 2008 - 07:07 am - Here is the link to a pic I have. It's on a WS 42 and the original hatch was the larger slider found on the early 32's. http://www.svelysium.net/_imag...
Dec 30, 2008 - 05:33 pm - Aaron,I also have some pictures of a plastic sliding hatch going into the turtle, which is the original teak hatch mounted forward. I am in Idaho at o...
Jan 07, 2009 - 12:14 am - Dave,That is pretty much what I'm looking for, though I'd likely make the "turtle" our of fiberglass.Ideas for the best way to go about fabric...
Jan 07, 2009 - 09:39 am - Aaron,I put the camber in to match the boat. On the 42 the hatch is slightly off center so I maybe could have gotten away without it. I tend to favor ...
Jan 09, 2009 - 02:09 pm - Dave,Where did you find the dark plexi? Do you have contact info for the plexi guy in Tampa?Also, how is the plastic connected; what sort of track?Tha...
Feb 07, 2009 - 12:28 pm - Hey all,This is exactly what I'd like to do. I still have to figure out where to get the plexi, and have it bent..Thanks!Aaron

Companionway Ladders   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Apr 14, 2007 - 11:06 am - I'm trying to decide if during my W32 restoration I want to retain the removeable step system for the companionway, or if it's better to just build a ...
Apr 14, 2007 - 01:01 pm - I'd be interested as well. I'm definitely losing the removeable step system. I'll probably use mahogany
Apr 14, 2007 - 04:10 pm - A ladder system I built on a number of boats I have found works well. The top step is fixed, at the level of the bridge deck, with two boards going up...
Apr 16, 2007 - 07:45 pm - I am in the process of starting this project. I hate the removable step system and have already ripped it out. Quite some time ago, I wanted to instal...
May 22, 2007 - 10:35 pm - Tom, have you decided which route to take? If the ladder project was the winning bidder have you had any luck finding the right plans/pics or otherwis...
May 23, 2007 - 02:35 pm - I built a ladder that is removable. I laminated curved steps and put dadoes in the rails.Pretty easy actually.I will try to find some photos and post ...
May 23, 2007 - 05:15 pm - Kevin - No progress, No decision.Rich - Hell yea we want pictures.
Sep 11, 2007 - 11:17 am - Bud--Do you have any pictures or drawings of the ladder you spoke of in your post of 4/17/07
Sep 11, 2007 - 03:10 pm - In Westsails manual for the later 32's there was a drawing for a full ladder. I had it in our 32 and to my knowledge the current owner still has and u...
Sep 11, 2007 - 05:04 pm - Dave--I already have a full size ladder that swings up and connects to the overhead but what I'm looking for is a reduction in length and height. If f...
Sep 12, 2007 - 11:08 pm - Greg, Not sure if I have any pictures of the ladder, but will check my files.
Sep 14, 2007 - 05:59 am - Greg, mayb you can lighten the ladder. The one I'm talking about in WS drawings that I had had sides of 3/4 teak and steps the same. I know some indiv...
Sep 14, 2007 - 06:03 am - Found a good pic of one in the WS 28 on Buds site: http://westsail.com/forsale/mimosacompanion.jpg
Sep 14, 2007 - 04:48 pm - We have a full-size ladder in Asia Marie.Fair leads,Aaron N.
Sep 22, 2007 - 08:15 pm - While searching for new belaying pins, I ran across a photo of the identical ladder that is on Rhapsody which is very similar to the one shown in Aron...
Sep 23, 2007 - 07:10 am - Werner, I got my belaying pins from thai teak and then I found them "cheaper" yeah almost locally at HMP in Canada. http://www.hollandmarine.c...
Sep 23, 2007 - 04:19 pm - Dave, Thanks for the lead on the belaying pins.Werner

Converting Fuel Tank To Water Storage   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Nov 03, 2007 - 12:31 pm - Hi all,I'm toying with the idea of converting one of our fuel tanks to water and removing one of the bilge tanks. I'd really like to claim some of tha...
Nov 03, 2007 - 07:38 pm - The fuel tank is 38 gallons, not 50. If you ever plan to go long distance cruising, you need the fuel capacity. Water can be purified and salt removed...

Cowl Vent Placement   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jul 28, 2004 - 05:15 pm - Well, I'm this >||< close to having a Westsail. All I gotta do is give the poor guy that's been putting up with me for the past month the $$$ ...
Jul 29, 2004 - 08:33 am - The Const. MAnual shows three. Two forward 11" aft of the rear edge of the fwd hatch 19 1/4 in from the non skid line on the cabin top. one 5 1/2&...
Jul 29, 2004 - 11:20 am - Funny you bring up this topic. I'm in the process of installing cowl vents with dorade boxes on Synergy. I'm building the dorade boxes myself and boug...
Jul 29, 2004 - 03:47 pm - So if I read your orienteering correctly it sounds like the 'official' placement calls for 2 fwd (over the V-berth) and one aft over the galley? Sound...
Jul 31, 2004 - 04:02 pm - I have a couple more questions about cowl vents/dorades.Anyone have any opinions whether the round or oval vent is preferable?Also, an oval 4" ven...
Aug 09, 2007 - 09:40 am - Mike and everyone,Being Floridians, we're feeling the heat down below and are going to install cowls. A few questions though:Were you happy with the T...
Aug 10, 2007 - 04:45 pm - Aaron -- I'm thinking about digging into the same project, here's what I've got in my head: Good Old Boat had an article in the April '03 issue featur...
Aug 15, 2007 - 05:49 am - I have 2 cowl vents mounted atop a teak box just in front of the cabin top. They run through a dorade type system inside the box and on the interior s...

Cowl Vents   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Apr 05, 2009 - 04:01 pm - Where is the best location to install 2, 4 inches cowl vents and 2, 3 inches cowl vents? I've got the manual and the locations suggested, but with you...
Apr 05, 2009 - 04:20 pm - Jean,I depends on your interior and deck layout. I'm going to build a turtle hatch for my companionway that will have dorades built in, and though the...
Apr 12, 2009 - 12:19 pm - I installed two 3" dorade vents with guard rails just forward of the self tending stay sail track. I made a template of the three stanchion bases ...
Apr 17, 2009 - 05:26 am - thank you both for taking the time. Cheers

Crack In Boomkin Crosspiece   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Oct 08, 2006 - 10:42 am - I discovered a crack in my SS boomkin crosspiece and it looks serious enough I'm not going to be doing any sailing until it's replaced.There are excel...
Oct 09, 2006 - 10:21 am - Why not fix it?I would be happy to help otherwise. I will be down in florida and there is a good fabricator near jasmineEmail me if you can wait until...
Oct 11, 2006 - 10:20 am - Thanks, Rich.Check your email.And I'm in no hurry whatsoever. My gig with the Sweet River Band is thru Dec so no plans to be sailing until at least af...
Oct 13, 2006 - 11:55 pm - Mike, I had a small SS welding job done in January and the shop just outside of Houston, TX did a good job. If I can be of help, let me know.GeorgeW28

CVG Fir (from Edensaw) Crazing & Cracking Like Crazy!???   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Mar 26, 2008 - 08:23 pm - OK, somebody who works with and knows high-end woodtell me what the ---- (bleep) is going on here... These twosticks of CVG fir which arrived yesterda...
Mar 26, 2008 - 08:56 pm - I'm no wood expert but here's what I can contribute: I bought a bunch of green fir a few years ago. I stacked it up on stickers in my shop to dry out....
Mar 29, 2008 - 08:58 am - Brian, I trust you contacted your supplier. What was his comment?
Mar 29, 2008 - 10:50 am - Hey Bud, we're negotiating... Wood was obviously green, and not prepped properly for shipping to a dryer climate-it's a total loss. I'll keep you post...
Mar 29, 2008 - 11:49 am - sorry that happened. When I got mine for my samson posts from them it was perfect. I would lean on them to take it back or just reimburse you.rich
Mar 29, 2008 - 12:03 pm - Thanks Rich- Edensaw seemed to be under the impression that southcentral Alaska was 'wetter' than the Pacific Northwest! At minimum they should have p...
Apr 01, 2008 - 02:57 pm - Just a quick note: Edensaw came through with a full refund on the wood+shipping. A class act in the end. And I am happily going with Bud's 'stainl...

CW Article On Westsail Refit   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Nov 01, 2007 - 07:29 am - Hey Y'all- I have seen reference to a 3 part article in CW about refitting a Westsail by an author named Savage, but I can't seem to locate when it wa...
Nov 02, 2007 - 04:21 pm - Was at least 3 years ago, maybe 4. You can ask CW for the exact date. It isn't back so far they won't have a reference to it.

Damp Detection Using Infra Red ?   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jan 17, 2005 - 06:20 am - Hello all.I have just replaced an old temerature detector that cost a fortune with a hand held IR non contact gun - with the advancement in electronic...
Jan 17, 2005 - 11:35 am - Joe It sounds great, but:You cant get away from the radient heat, cooling or heating will be effected by what is shaded or warmed at night. ( stand ne...

Deck Beams   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jan 12, 2010 - 08:26 am - Westsailors -GREAT WEBSITE! I am so happy this resource is available to all of us, and glad to be a part of it.I have been reading though the posts on...
Jan 12, 2010 - 11:38 am - A better place to ask this is in "Ask Bud" at the bottem. Who better to ask than the man that ran the factory. Welcome to the site. Ken
Jan 12, 2010 - 01:21 pm - I have seen W32's without the deck beams.....several in fact.
Jan 12, 2010 - 05:01 pm - The only beams I have are at the main bulkhead and at the forward bulkhead. Others have reported that additional beams help with deformation of the de...

Deck Hatch To Seahood Conversion?   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jan 17, 2005 - 09:35 pm - I'm looking to replace the companion way deck hatch on Papillon. the current hatch is wood and Lexan and easily weighs 10 pounds. My kids can't get in...
Feb 15, 2005 - 08:24 pm - I'm reworking the hatch on a 42. Sounds a lot like yours, HEAVY. I'm having a piece of 1/2 plexi bent, and that will be the slider. Then I'm building ...
Feb 16, 2005 - 05:58 am - Bud offers hi-rez scanned images of the WS32 construction manual on CD-ROM. Looking it over I see there are at least a dozen plan sheets for just the ...

Deck Or Cabin Top "tent" For Winter Working...   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Nov 08, 2007 - 09:03 am - Has anybody fabricated a frame for the deck or cabin top that wouold create a tent (with a tarp over) in order to work under when its raining out? It ...
Nov 08, 2007 - 01:35 pm - use pvc pipe it is cheap it glues and bends easily. you didnt say if your boat is in or out of the water. Mine is out of the water in my backyard and ...
Nov 08, 2007 - 02:10 pm - What a bummer! Did the boat get hurt?My boat is out of the water
Nov 08, 2007 - 05:10 pm - the neighbors pine tree came down on the cockpit area and only knocked a couple of chunks out of the rail and dented the teak decking over the lazaret...
Nov 09, 2007 - 08:35 am - I ended up making a frame to go on the cabin top out of the conduit. So far so good.Last night I saw the "RV" storage units, they are perfect ...
Dec 09, 2007 - 04:17 pm - fyi - these brackets combined with emt work great.http://framemakerclamps.com/clamps.htm

Deck Restoration - New Gallows, Boomkin, Companionway   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

May 24, 2009 - 12:15 pm - Hey all,We've started the restoration of our deck. We're replacing the gallows, boomkin, modifying the companionway, adding a sea hood with dorades/st...
Sep 17, 2009 - 08:49 pm - Big project Aaron! Looking forward to seeing your companionway remake.What did you paint the interior of your icebox with?
Sep 19, 2009 - 08:21 pm - Wow - what a project - I'm interested in your Lazaret modes - that raise hatch does block the area from being used.
Sep 22, 2009 - 09:08 pm - The flush lazarette hatch was used on the last deck mold that Westsail built.
Dec 21, 2009 - 07:37 am - Hey all,We dropped our mast (with two people) a few days ago and all went smooth. We have the caprails ready for coating with Bristol Finish, the spar...
Dec 21, 2009 - 07:48 am - Aaron,the best way to do this is to take a cutting wheel on a grinder and just grind the nut and bolt off. You will want to replace these bolts anyway...
Dec 21, 2009 - 10:14 am - Rich,Contortionism is one of my favorite passtimes and I actually got to them all off, and would have had to cut into the glass tape to install the ne...

Deck Resurfacing   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Dec 01, 2004 - 07:45 am - In exploring solutions to gelcoat crazing and worn non-skid I've checked into various applied non-skid products. As far as function, comfort and aesth...
Dec 01, 2004 - 08:34 am - I too am researching refinishing my deck, etc. due to aging gelcoat. I think I've decided on using Signature Finish paint for its ease of application ...
Dec 01, 2004 - 09:49 am - Right, that's my plan, as using a high build primer to fill the crazing would lend itself more to the smooth surfaces.
Dec 21, 2004 - 03:41 pm - We just finished the deck on our 42. What a big job. We removed everything. We're now puttin it back together. We ground off all the proud WS non-skid...

Decomissioning The Water Tanks   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Oct 07, 2008 - 07:49 pm - Well, it's been a fun summer of getting to know my boat. Now it's time to start thinking about hauling her and starting the winter projects.I am looki...
Oct 08, 2008 - 02:59 am - I use my elec pump for my pressure system.else siphion them out. My Plastic ones from Bud do not have any drain ports on them.Best of luck
Oct 08, 2008 - 09:43 am - Nanette,We don't have drains, either. Use your regular water pump to empty them.Norm,How would you siphon from the water tanks? They're the lowest thi...
Oct 08, 2008 - 12:34 pm - Aaron I hope your bilge pumps are lower i.e. siphon into the bilge+/-and yes it will work as long as you can get the water outand is only required...
Oct 08, 2008 - 01:03 pm - I should have been more clear. I have the original tanks.
Oct 08, 2008 - 08:37 pm - I have heard of folks pouring vodka into water tanks as an antifreeze. I think it sounds like a good idea for year-round as well!
Oct 10, 2008 - 11:23 am - Good idea Terry. As for draining them, I've figured it out.Skoal!

Different Grades Of Teak   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Nov 02, 2009 - 07:36 pm - I'm pricing teak from World Panel as well as a wood wholesaler in Pittsburgh. The costs are pretty close: $25 per board foot from World Panel and $23 ...
Nov 03, 2009 - 05:08 am - Is it possible you are confusing the description of World Panels plywood with that of their teak lumber? Imported hardwoods are typically graded using...
Nov 03, 2009 - 06:59 pm - Tom, Thanks for the input. No, World Panel specifically stated that their "teak lumber in 4/4 and 4/8 was 'marine grade'". Sounds like the Bur...

Dinette Table Mounting Arrangement   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Nov 08, 2007 - 03:38 pm - Does anybody have a picture or drawing of how the dineete table mounts to the port outboard cabinet? This is in the upright position....

Dinghy Davits   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

May 11, 2009 - 09:33 am - Is it possible to put functioning dinghy davits on a W32? If so, would it interfere if there's a windvane? I'd be hauling a walker bay dinghy, which i...
May 11, 2009 - 09:42 am - Jerry, I do not think you would be able to carry a dinghy on the stern of a W32. Especially if you use a windvane. You need to rig a short whisker pol...
May 11, 2009 - 11:07 am - That's what I was thinking. I've only had time to scratch the surfacr of the manual, so I haven't found the dimensional drawings to know what I could ...
May 24, 2009 - 11:58 am - Jerry,When I read this post a week ago, I thought "Nah, davits won't work on a W32". But over the last week, I have removed my wooden boomkin ...
May 25, 2009 - 12:37 pm - Aaron, I would worry about too much weight on the stern. My boat would "squat" anyway and adding weight to the stern would seem to make the p...
May 25, 2009 - 02:05 pm - I agree with Ken about putting so much weight at the very stern of the boat. It will affect the sailing and motoring performance. While motoring the s...
May 25, 2009 - 06:11 pm - low and center......low and center.....low and center.......that is where the weight should be!

Dissimilar DC Wiring Size Connectors   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Aug 11, 2008 - 07:14 pm - I'm pulling wires and realize that the fans (Caframo Bora's) and the lights have fairly fine wire leads. The fan leads are at least five feet long. My...
Aug 11, 2008 - 07:45 pm - Tom,You can use 14/16 AWG butt connectors for the fans. I strip double the normal length of jacket off the fine (usually 22 AWG) wire, then fold the w...

DIY Power Station Ideas ?   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jan 20, 2005 - 09:49 am - Hi GuysI have been pondering the benefits and practicality of a small DCgenerator set that doesn”¦t cost a fortune and is home built..Specs as follows...
Jan 20, 2005 - 04:12 pm - the cooling system would be the hardest to do. An air cooled engine would get VERY hot in an enclosed space. would want water cooling. The rest would ...
Jan 20, 2005 - 07:43 pm - I have been considering putting a small diesel generator in the engine room. The smallest diesel I could find was 3.5 kva. It is a chinese brand "...
Jan 21, 2005 - 02:29 am - Hi GuysYes, the cooling is an interesting one. But I have not yet found a suitable water cooled diesel. Will keep looking. I have considered the petro...
Jan 21, 2005 - 08:50 am - Joe,Now you've really got me off on a new tangent. When I installed the Beta BV1505 to replace the old Volvo I kept it as far forward as I could while...
Jan 21, 2005 - 01:37 pm - Hi JeffYes, I do think it is a do-able project. I also genuinely beleive the Yanamr IS a chinese engine, the very same, simply that yanmar buy the uni...
Jan 24, 2005 - 09:09 am - Joe,I'll email you some info in a couple of days.Jeff
Jan 24, 2005 - 12:46 pm - Nice one Jeff !Many thanksJoe.
Jan 24, 2005 - 12:54 pm - I didn't know that that little diesel was air cooled.Hmm..I'd like more info on this too. I have thought of doing this also, but never got past the &#...
Jan 24, 2005 - 03:42 pm - Hi Jeffhttp://www.rutuonline.com/html/watermaker.htmlFound this site for a diy watermaker. Looks fairly simple. I never considered making my own but t...
Jan 26, 2005 - 03:58 pm - I must confess, after studying Glenn's desgin, it is far easier than he makes it. The flush circuit can be made at a tenth the price using 2 cheap pum...
Jan 26, 2005 - 04:15 pm - To Odyssey -Sorry I overlooked this as I meant to comment the first time around... (re the space for the clutch pulley?)The pulley is oft' mounted on ...
Jan 26, 2005 - 04:30 pm - Joe,I've been looking that over the last couple of nights but think my best option would be to go with one of the single cylider diesels. Besides that...

Do-It-Yourselfers   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Apr 29, 2008 - 06:59 pm - Can anyone recommend a boat yard or dry storagewere I can work on my Westsail 32 that is reasonable within Southern California.ThanksDavid.
Apr 30, 2008 - 12:05 pm - Dave - I would not recommend Sunset Aquatic in Huntington Harbor anyway, they kept raising the rates quite drastically over the ...well (5 years) that...
May 07, 2008 - 05:42 pm - Thanks Colleen, could you tell a name in Wilmington.

Drawers Under The Pilot Berths   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jan 13, 2009 - 02:07 pm - Does anyone have drawers instead of what seems to be the standard - a hinged board opening to storage space, 3 on each side?I am considering this and ...
Jan 13, 2009 - 06:08 pm - I've never seen a Westsail with drawers in this area but it is an interesting idea. The down side to drawers is you lose some storage space due to the...
Jan 13, 2009 - 08:33 pm - I had these in a previous boat, three rows of two drawers on both sides. Allowed for far more organization and ease of finding things without having t...
Jan 15, 2009 - 12:09 pm - bump, anyone have this?
Jan 16, 2009 - 12:14 am - Nanette,I've not seen this on a W32, and I have quite a few photos. It would work, but I know I prefer open spaces to drawers for storage. While drawe...
Jan 17, 2009 - 06:03 pm - I guess everybody has their own preference. Seems to be a good compromise would be to have drawers across the upper area and then a cabinet door for a...
Jan 19, 2009 - 09:27 am - All this makes sense but, the storage areas under the pilot berths are not being used to their full advantage I don't think. First of all, I often hav...

Electrical   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

May 29, 2007 - 10:03 am - All winter long I've been working on my vessel inside a building. I've used the house lights often for doing some of the rebuilding of cabinets and ta...
May 30, 2007 - 08:03 am - I can't help you, Don, but your question prompted me to ask one as well: On my W28, while tied to shore power, several times all the lights just went ...
Jun 02, 2007 - 01:21 pm - In reference to Kemancha?s question about lose of power to your house (cabin) lights (problem #1) and loss of battery meter (problem #2).It appears yo...
Jun 02, 2007 - 01:34 pm - In reference to Syoder?s question about the temporary loss of 12 vdc power while on shore power.It appears your source of 12 vdc is your battery charg...
Jun 02, 2007 - 02:08 pm - Hi Steve,I did as you recommended and sure enough there was some corrosion around the ground. I removed the terminal, cleaned it and replaced the wire...
Jun 03, 2007 - 08:34 am - Thanks, Steve. I'm going back up to the boat this weekend so I'll check things out. Think I'll start by disconnecting the shore power (open the breake...
Jun 03, 2007 - 08:09 pm - Don,Use an electrical corrosion inhibitor (like that used for batteries) which is rated for the environment. Try to stick with name brand products tha...
Sep 03, 2007 - 11:08 pm - I'm planning to begin the task of rewiring my 32 this fall, and I have some questions. I was planning to use 14 gauge wire for the cabin lights (five ...
Sep 04, 2007 - 10:28 am - Just use 10 guage wire. That way when you are inevitably adding something down the road, you won't have troubles.Use good marine tinned wire.Rich
Sep 07, 2007 - 01:52 pm - Strongly disagree. 10 awg wire is rated for 30 amps. With wire this size, you might want to protect it with a 30 amp protection device (fuse/circuit b...
Sep 08, 2007 - 08:07 am - You should always protect the circuit with a breaker or fuse rated for the smallest wire in the circuit.Remember to put a small fuse on those hella fa...

ELECTRICAL SYSTEM HELP   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

May 19, 2007 - 11:04 pm - If the answer is not here, you have invented a new question.www.islandnet.com/robb/marine.html

Electrolysis   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Feb 01, 2010 - 08:21 am - We have NEVER had a problem with electrolysis. We had zincs that lasted well over 2 years. Now we are burning through them in 2 months. We did a botto...
Feb 01, 2010 - 09:23 am - Don - do you have some sort of plastic/insulator between your propshaft and engine block? If not, the path is throught the block to battery negative t...
Feb 01, 2010 - 01:41 pm - my 110 volt ground does not go to the block. seperate system. i have a galvonic isolator on the 110 side. No plastic insolator on prop shaft. Thanks f...
Feb 01, 2010 - 03:00 pm - A simple test would be to take a multimeter such as yours set on ohms and put the leads across 110 volt ground and battery negative. The reading shoul...
Feb 01, 2010 - 03:02 pm - Disconnect the galvanic isolator first though

Electronics   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jan 25, 2010 - 11:15 am - I am planning to have my boat hauled as soon as the weather warms up enough to do the biennial the bottom painting, and I was thinking about replacing...
Jan 28, 2010 - 05:18 am - Last summer we installed a Garmin 540s chart plotter to replace depth and speed, this unit is "storm proof" and so far that seems to be the ca...
Jan 28, 2010 - 01:14 pm - Thanks Bob. I would love to see your pics.
Jan 28, 2010 - 06:07 pm - can do, might take a day or so to get em for you, what is better for you e-mail or post? mean time you might check out reviews ect on net for this par...
Jan 28, 2010 - 06:36 pm - Bob,I looked online at the Garmin chartplotters, and the new model is the 541s, which I guess adds NMEA 2000 compatability.
Jan 28, 2010 - 06:38 pm - If you would rather, just send the pics to me by email.
Jan 28, 2010 - 07:33 pm - ok will do on pics, what did u think? Pretty reasonable to up grade nav AND instruments at the same time. The feature that allows you to draw the rout...

Engine Bay Makeover - Rewiring - Including Engine Removal!   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Dec 18, 2007 - 08:10 pm - Hi all,My father and I started our battle to have a sane electrical system aboard our W32 yesterday. We're planning to install a new DC panel, all new...
Dec 18, 2007 - 08:15 pm - Oh, I don't know what I did wrong!AGAIN:Hi all,My father and I started our battle to have a sane electrical system aboard our W32 yesterday. We're pla...
Dec 19, 2007 - 08:51 am - Aaron,Check out Page F-8 of my Westsail Service Manual for suggestions on exhaust systems.Also, install the new electrical panel on a board with a hin...
Dec 19, 2007 - 09:10 am - Aaron,I think your talking about that loop made up of various pipe fittings. That would be your mixing elbow which is the point were water gets inject...
Dec 21, 2007 - 12:46 pm - Big project AarronSome suggestions.1.) If you sand blast the engine put a rag in all openings before taping them off with duct tape {oil, intake, wate...
Dec 22, 2007 - 09:33 pm - Thanks for the tips.Here are pictures as of today:Clean engine bay - looking down from deck. Lots of holes to patch!Engine bay looking aft. Wires to b...
Dec 23, 2007 - 08:21 am - Do yourself a big favor. Replace the engine mount feets. In my reaseach the rubber goes bad and you'll have the engine running much smoother with new ...
Dec 23, 2007 - 08:34 am - Already have em sitting in parts box! They were terrible!Fair leads,Aaron N.
Dec 24, 2007 - 06:40 pm - Hi all!Does anyone have pictures of waterlift muffler installations in their W32? As you can see above, mine was mounted right above the prop packing,...
Dec 24, 2007 - 09:08 pm - Merry Xmas, we have the same full engine room liner, I have hull #730. Bud sent me a picture showing an installation on the port side inside that tall...
Jan 01, 2008 - 10:08 pm - Hi all,We've been having loads of fun! I promise I'll post more pictures in a few days. We've got the engine painted and are waiting on a few gaskets ...
Jan 02, 2008 - 12:13 pm - Aaron,I was going to suggest the SSCA site but saw that you were already there. I've been trying to figure out the same thing as I'd like to install a...
Jan 04, 2008 - 11:30 am - Hey Aaron, this is great stuff. It would make for a really good article in a future Windblown.When (if) you find the time, it would be really cool if ...
Feb 12, 2008 - 12:47 am - Hey all,I promise we're doing work! We're almost done with the engine bay - in fact, we'd planned on putting the engine in last weekend but, with our ...
Feb 16, 2008 - 03:45 am - Say, Aaron,That is a sharp looking electrical panel. Fancy with name and boat profile to boot.My restoration is moving much slower than yours. I have ...
Feb 17, 2008 - 03:00 pm - George, Contact me directly at btaplin@westsail.com and I may be able to help you with installation information. After all, I have installed about 35 ...
Feb 17, 2008 - 05:59 pm - Bud,If ya want, come on out and install one of those shiny new Betas in our boat. Free of charge would be bestFair leads,Aaron N.
Mar 08, 2008 - 08:17 am - Hey all, here are some more pictures; to keep load times and bandwidth down on the board, use this link:http://www.flickr.com/photos/24463470@N07/page...
Mar 08, 2008 - 08:19 am - Hey all, here are some more pictures; to keep load times and bandwidth down on the board, use this link: Photo Album of RewiringThis sort of explains ...
Mar 09, 2008 - 12:17 pm - "The small red dacron line made off around the motor mount/sea cock is the battery tie down. It was made off through a hole in the main bulkhead, ...
May 16, 2008 - 06:39 am - Hey all,I haven't added many pictures, but I did organize them into a bit more logical sequence. They're kind of "before/after" now. Asia Mari...
May 23, 2008 - 11:42 pm - Hello all!WE'RE FINISHED! At least with the wiring.To see pictures of my panel, from concept to install, plus the cold cathode lights I made, click th...
May 24, 2008 - 09:02 am - Aaron:Very nice work -- Love the photos and looking forware to the engine shots.Jay
Nov 27, 2008 - 10:16 am - Aaron,I hope you don't consider this question rude, but could you tell me what you paid for your custom panel?
Nov 27, 2008 - 12:10 pm - Tom,$960 including shipping. It was fully assembled and wired as a unit. The total cost of the Blue Seas System's panels I planned to use was ~$800, a...
Nov 27, 2008 - 02:35 pm - WOW!! Great work! love the custom panel and lights, and you just gotta love those scummybilges, LOL! been there done that! keep up thegood work. Hope ...
Nov 27, 2008 - 04:43 pm - Andrea,Thanks for the compliments!The lovely thing is - the boat is in the water and together. We can user her whenever we don't want to work on it! W...
Nov 27, 2008 - 09:07 pm - Aaron,After my rewire, new tank and engine work I can really appreciate the work you have accomplished. Nice job Cap'n!Don and Lana
Nov 27, 2008 - 10:16 pm - I particularly like the rotary swith for the nav lights. No possibility of having 2 conflicting light patterns illuminated and it frees up 3 precious ...
Nov 28, 2008 - 12:05 am - Don,Thanks! I've only been home twice this semester, so we're not making much progress right now. We hope to get a bunch done over Christmas (maybe ne...
Nov 28, 2008 - 09:42 pm - Jay and all,I've just added pictures as the boat is now, including shots of the engine installation and bilge/water tank. We have yet to put a final c...
Nov 29, 2008 - 07:25 am - Aaron:Thanks for the great photo's of your work... Looks good to me. I don't understand the rigging in the engine room though from the engine mount?Ye...
Nov 29, 2008 - 09:18 am - Jay,The tackle is what I've decided to use to hold my cockpit sole down. We use to have a hole for a hinged hatch, but I filled that back in and bedde...
Dec 23, 2008 - 04:55 pm - Aaron,Did you find MME a bit slow to work with? They seem like great guys but they have been working on a quote and layout for me and they average 5 t...
Dec 24, 2008 - 02:05 am - Tom,Mark, owner of MMES, usually got back to me within the day, including weekends. A couple of times, like when he was working up the CAD drawings, i...
Dec 24, 2008 - 02:38 am - Aaron beautiful work dude. I'm the same way I can't stand a clutterd dirty engine room but man does it look good, sure must have been tough with the w...
Dec 26, 2008 - 07:59 am - Aaron,He is quoting a smaller panel then yours with battery management, a rotary nav light switch, and 16 dc breakers. Given your experience I'm sure ...
Dec 26, 2008 - 09:51 am - Tom,We could have had our panel made in a smaller area - we had the boat with indicators put in there just to take up space. This allowed us to use th...
Apr 08, 2009 - 04:38 pm - Aaron,can you explain how the wiring is run to the Steaming and Lower Sailing positions on your nav light switch. I assume the bow and stern lights ar...
Apr 08, 2009 - 07:42 pm - Tom,I power a rotary switch with one switch-style breaker. When on "lower sailing" the rotary switch sends power to the bow lights and stern l...
Apr 09, 2009 - 03:09 pm - Does anyone have any pictures of the installation of port or starboard fuel tanks. My tank was home done out of fiberglass and was jury rigged in plac...
Apr 09, 2009 - 06:39 pm - Hi Greg and Christy,We have a few photos here,,, http://www.captainmontgomery.com/2008/10/one-list-is-complete.html You may also email me or call me i...
Apr 13, 2009 - 09:14 am - Don and Lana -- Thanks for the pictures. I had wondered if I could just build a shelf for the tanks this will make it easier.
Apr 13, 2009 - 10:19 am - Greg, I remembered that there was a sketch of the plywood fuel tank shelves in the original W32 construction manual, before Westsail went to making a ...
Apr 13, 2009 - 10:41 am - Greg, I tried sending you the email of the sketches by clicking on your name on your message, but the email would not go through. Evidently you have c...

Engine Control Lever   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jan 14, 2008 - 01:33 pm - OK, I give up. I've been trying to remove the engine control lever from the port sidewall of the cockpit and for the life of me I can't figure out wha...
Jan 14, 2008 - 03:41 pm - BFH.I know, not helpful, but a fun thought that has crept through my mind (and taken hold) a few time during our recent project...Best of luck,Aaron N...
Jan 14, 2008 - 06:02 pm - I expereinced the same frustrating problem. I wasn't planning to reuse it so I wasn't concerned about destroying it and I was in the process of painti...
Jan 14, 2008 - 07:02 pm - Please explain BFH - Oh wait - could it mean something to do w/ a hammer? Then wouldn't it be BTFOOIWAH? just wondering... If it is, though I can pers...
Jan 15, 2008 - 08:02 am - I've removed mine several times without destroying anything.1. Remove the set screw opposite the shift level.2. Replace it with a 4-inch 1/4X20 bolt.3...
Jan 15, 2008 - 08:22 am - Fred,I finally figured out BTFOOIWAH. This , of course, refers to the action used when one takes up the Bigger F____ Hammer.-Steve
Jan 15, 2008 - 05:27 pm - Tom,Dito on taking a picture or making a diagram of reassembly. Throttle/shifter combos are tricky little beasts. Our Morse speaks a different languag...
Jan 16, 2008 - 08:33 am - I was pretty sure about what BFH meant but BTFOOIWAH I had to puzzle out. Started with the H which I knew and then said, ..."a hammer." Hmmm.....
Jan 16, 2008 - 09:33 am - Tom, thanks for posting this. I had the exact same question this summer, and I couldn't figure it out. I don't remember any set screw Hlywa, but I'll ...
Jan 16, 2008 - 12:12 pm - Well, now I don't feel so stupid, just maybe a bit ignorant. I'm not sure if any of the suggestions make sense (other than the Morse code), but I'll l...
Jan 16, 2008 - 05:31 pm - Tom--If it is the old Marmac engine control, the lever should pull out and there is a set screw at the bottom of the housing. However, the Marmac has ...
Jan 17, 2008 - 12:47 pm - When all else fails, I do have a new single lever control available that you can take the fasteners out from the sidewall of the cockpit, and pull the...
Feb 10, 2008 - 08:52 am - Thanks for the advice, everyone. John, I suspect you are right about the aluminum/steel fusing. What did you do, drill out the screw to get the unit t...
Mar 06, 2008 - 09:31 pm - We used a mirror to look up inside the housing, and yes, a largish hex/set screw up inside, from what we can see. We need to replace our entire linkag...
Mar 07, 2008 - 10:49 am - I have a good one available. Easy to install and adjust. See the previous post from me regarding the control. Contact me directly by email if you want...

Engine Mounting Beds   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jun 08, 2007 - 09:30 am - Engine vibration noises have troubled me since Lberate came into my life. I have traced the offending noise to he front port engine mount which is nor...
Jun 08, 2007 - 10:41 am - I had an md3 volvo in my boat and I have an original engine mount left after re-power. Chances are good that the stud on yours has broken. If you woul...

Engine Mounting Beds   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jun 08, 2007 - 06:18 pm - Engine vibration noises have troubled me since Lberate came into my life. I have traced the offending noise to he front port engine mount which is nor...
Jun 08, 2007 - 08:08 pm - Do you have the fiberglass pans on the later model boats?
Jun 09, 2007 - 12:58 pm - I cut holes in the vertical sides of the pan and was able to tighten the bolts.rich
Jun 10, 2007 - 06:52 am - Interesting question. I do have a pan under the engine. I asume from your comments Dave and Rich, that the underside of the bolts are exposed under th...
Jun 10, 2007 - 12:32 pm - Most of the engine pans had a metal plate with bolts sticking up welded to them, and were installed before the pan was installed in the boat. Some of ...
Jun 18, 2007 - 03:33 pm - Thank you all. Bud, All I need to do is tighten the nuts that hold the mounting plate to the existing engine mounts which seem to be fine. At Idle, th...
Jun 19, 2007 - 01:27 pm - You have to lift the engine up in order to drill the access holes on the sidewall of the pan to access the underside of the bolts holding the mounts t...

Epoxy   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

May 23, 2009 - 09:06 am - Did I read somewhere on this board that epoxy resin is not compatible with polyester resin? I did a search but didn't find what I was looking for so m...
May 23, 2009 - 09:08 am - the general thought is that epoxy will stick to polyester, but not the other way around.rich
May 23, 2009 - 04:24 pm - Saw a posting on another board of someone who tested that theory out. Seemed that either way he bonded I couldn't break it apart at the bond with a ma...
May 23, 2009 - 08:57 pm - Steve,Either works, as long as the substrate to which you are applying the new substance is FULLY cured. With epoxy, it can take a full week for it to...
May 23, 2009 - 09:15 pm - Be careful epoxying over paint. If it's a one part paint it can lift off. Actually when wanting a solid bond I sand away as much paint or gelcoat as I...
May 24, 2009 - 07:41 am - Thanks all. The base that I'll be epoxying is bare wood so no adhesion issues there. When I glass it in to the boat it will be glassed to the gelcoat ...
Jun 02, 2009 - 09:09 am - As a secondary mechanical bond (i.e. both fully cured, scuff sanded and rough surface) epoxy is compatible with polyester. The reverse is NOT true. Po...

Epoxy Fill For Holes In Deck Core   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jun 10, 2008 - 09:21 am - I'm installing my new coachroof beams, and after drilling the cabin top for the new carriage bolts I want to recore the holes with epoxy to prevent mo...
Jun 10, 2008 - 10:24 am - Tom,I drilled my holes through the cabin top for the bolt size (1/4) first. Then from below I drilled up through the inner fiberglass layer and the pl...
Jun 10, 2008 - 01:20 pm - Hey, Tom -I haven't done this for a while, but IIRC the usual procedure was to drill the hole slightly oversized (about 1/8" over comes to mind), ...
Jun 10, 2008 - 01:29 pm - Tom -OK, I had to go look it up and Casey does recommend it in "This Old Boat" (Page 68 in my edition). He doesn't mention the part about the ...
Jun 11, 2008 - 08:49 am - When I'm mounting something like the mast braces or staysail tracks I'll run the oversized hole all the way through. Although I don't trust myself to ...
Jun 11, 2008 - 01:25 pm - Jeff -You're absolutely right.The carriage bolt and its function just went right over my head. Hardened epoxy would be thoroughly unsuitable under it....
Jun 13, 2008 - 10:03 am - Wait a minute, guys. I'm not sure I'm following the "cracking" logic. For the forward beam (only one I've bolted in place permanently so far),...
Jun 13, 2008 - 08:12 pm - Sounds good to me Tom. For cutting core I've had some success with a rabbeting bit on my router.
Jun 14, 2008 - 07:16 am - Tom -We're just saying that the square shoulder under the bolt head has to go somewhere - sinking into wood, crushing fiberglass, or, as in your case,...
Jun 14, 2008 - 09:01 am - Bill, you're right, but I'm sure we all want to avoid the unintended consequences of not thinking through each situation. That said, I'm also trying t...
Jun 14, 2008 - 02:34 pm - I'm no expert, but since people (including me)have built entire boats held together with nothing but thickened epoxy fillets, ("stitch-and-glue...
Jun 14, 2008 - 04:30 pm - Bill, (LOL!!) yeah, with all the condiments we should have a cookout! I have the West System booklet, but I've learned not to take the written word wi...

Epoxy Fitting Teak Decks   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Apr 22, 2005 - 04:12 pm - I am in the process of a complete refurbishment of my teak decks. I am using teak decking systems seam caulk and fitting epoxy. With the epoxy I can i...
Apr 22, 2005 - 05:04 pm - We did our teak deck with the same product two years ago. I elected to use the screws again. It make reinstallation easier and if a plank ever broke t...
Apr 28, 2005 - 10:39 am - TomI ran across this article in Epoxyworks about installing a teak deck using epoxy and minimal screws. http://www.epoxyworks.com/20/index20.htmlJeff
Apr 28, 2005 - 09:20 pm - The whole thing is in the west system fiberglass boat repair manual. West Marine sells these books for about 2.00

Fairing The Hull   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Nov 23, 2009 - 03:14 pm - I have completed removing all the gelcoat and have filled all the extra thru hull holes and am ready to start the next level of sanding to fair the hu...
Nov 24, 2009 - 09:57 am - The epoxy and paint will not fair the hull. They will give a finish, but will show every flaw in the underlying surface. It is up to you to decide how...

Fixing Failed Finish Discoloration   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jul 29, 2005 - 11:28 am - I recently bought a W32 that had extensive brightwork failure. I have all the old finish removed and the wood is a mottled mix of colors. I tried teak...
Jul 29, 2005 - 01:47 pm - Have you read through Brightwork and The Brightwork Companion by Rebecca Wittman? She has a lot to say about cleaning... it might be a matter of using...
Jul 30, 2005 - 10:24 am - Quite often the dark color in the grain is a result of mold and mildew, Try cleaning with a spray bottle of Tilex mold and mildew remover and a stiff ...
Jul 30, 2005 - 12:11 pm - Yes, staining was a mistake! Fortunately it was on a dorade box that is likely going to need replacement anyway.Alternating combination of cleaning, s...
Jul 31, 2005 - 06:44 am - Te Ka cleaner will remove pretty much any stain on teak. It is harsh but when all else fails it beats replacement.
Aug 06, 2005 - 08:26 am - Yea, I know what you mean about trying to finish things using Rebecca Wittman's methods... I think the real answer (aside from leaving the teak natura...

FOREPEAK   (Active)   Show Entire Thread

May 25, 2011 - 05:03 am - The forepeak in my WS 32 consisted of 2-2x4 ledgers and a sheet of plywood. I want to start on the re-constuction but I lack the measurements for the ...
May 25, 2011 - 06:30 pm - Greg - are you aware of the manual that Bill Shaw has on his web site: http://www.sv-galena.com/WOM/index.html
May 25, 2011 - 02:41 pm - Gary--Thanks for the link but I have the original 1973 manual that came with my boat and also the manual from Galena (sic). What would be perfect woul...

Frozen Windlass   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Sep 11, 2004 - 01:46 pm - I have a Plath bronze manual windlass that is frozen. I have been dousing it every couple days with wd-40 to no avail. Any thoughts on an effective me...
Sep 11, 2004 - 05:35 pm - This is just an idea... what I'd do if it were mine.I would try removing it and fully immersing it in diesel or kerosene. I wouldn't think there would...
Dec 21, 2004 - 03:45 pm - Years ago I spoke to a chemist that said WD-40 is nothing more than diesel fuel.If you totally imerse it you might get it moving. That is - remove it ...

Fuel Tank   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Mar 01, 2006 - 08:52 am - I have several questions in regards to fuel tanks:I currently have one tank on the starboard side with a deck fill immediately above. This tank is ori...
Mar 01, 2006 - 03:13 pm - Martin and Catherine,What your proposing is exactly what I'll be doing this spring when it warms up enough to glass in new fuel tank shelves. I recent...
Mar 03, 2006 - 06:51 pm - By a small fuel pump from an auto supply store. Hook it up after the fuel filter and run it for 24 hours feeding the return line back to the main tank...
Mar 05, 2006 - 10:32 am - I've got duel tanks but each tank is a completely stand-alone unit. I've got fills port and starboard, each has their own Racor filter... and I've got...
Mar 05, 2006 - 03:55 pm - Dave -- do you run a dedicated fuel line back into the tank, or do you use the regular return line? Sounds like something I'd like to try on my boat.
Nov 13, 2006 - 03:16 pm - Well, another fine mess! Looks like I might have a pinhole leak in the port tank. I read Bud's procedure for removing the old tank and installing a ne...
Nov 13, 2006 - 09:00 pm - Terry, Rest assured, you will really ENJOY doing the job yourself.
Nov 13, 2006 - 09:06 pm - Terry, It's quite a plumbing nightmare the lines. I can run a return line to any tank I'm drawing from. This also lets me recycle the fuel from any ta...

Fuel Tank Access Ports   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jun 26, 2009 - 10:43 am - I want to cut a couple of access ports in the top of my fuel tank to allow me to be able to scrub the innards. But, before I do, I want to figure out ...
Jun 26, 2009 - 11:16 am - These are a great way to go - but very expensive....maybe try to get a local fabricator to make some?http://www.seabuilt.com/demo.php
Jun 26, 2009 - 05:59 pm - Steve, I happen to have a pic of what Alex has done in this department. I've opened the ports once for cleaning and was able to reseal them with no pr...
Jun 26, 2009 - 06:38 pm - Cut the opening with a saber saw. Make up new covers slightly larger than the openings using 1/8" aluminum plate. Make a gasket for each, and inst...
Jun 26, 2009 - 08:46 pm - You are spot on Bud, this is how this has been done on Namaste. Did not have a chance to test the seal as yet, and hope not to test it (would have to ...
Jun 27, 2009 - 11:18 am - Thanks guys. I hadn't even thought about using screws. I kept thinking that the cover had to be through-bolted somehow. This will be a lot less daunti...
Jun 27, 2009 - 11:28 am - Gary,The Seabuilt plates are really cool. But you're right about the cost. At $155/ea. for the 6" ones, it'd be pretty expensive compared to the s...
Jul 09, 2009 - 11:39 am - Just finished my fuel tank cleanup. If you want to read about it and see a couple pictures check out my blog at: www.yodersafloat.blogspot.com. Turned...
Jul 09, 2009 - 11:26 pm - I cut two 6" round inspection ports in my 37 gallon tank last year after installing the "new" engine. I pumped the diesel out, cut the hol...
Jul 11, 2009 - 01:19 pm - When you tap the holes, are you just tapping into the tank itself or do you install a backing liner for more tapping "meat"?

Fuel Tanks   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Mar 19, 2008 - 10:27 am - Does anyone have any experiance or comments on the use of flexible fuel tanks as replacements for the original alu. ones. Here is some info I found on...
Mar 19, 2008 - 12:09 pm - Flexible tanks should be used only as a temporary method of carrying some extra fuel for a trip that you feel you might run out. They should not be us...
Mar 19, 2008 - 12:34 pm - Thanks Bud

Fuses For Starter Conduit   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Sep 09, 2009 - 05:03 pm - I'm installing fuse blocks with 300 amp fuses by Blue Sea in my starter cable and house bank cable. I have a 39 hp Yanmar. My question is will the 300...

FYI Re: Boomkins   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Mar 18, 2007 - 11:40 am - A while back a big wake came thru the marina and set my windvane down on the dock. No damage to the vane but I later discovered my boomkin crosspiece ...
Mar 18, 2007 - 12:13 pm - We had converted the boomkin to Bud's stainless steel boomkin. Liked the looks and removed the doubt about potential failure points as you mentioned a...
Mar 19, 2007 - 09:03 pm - I have teak decks and when I removed my boomkin the teak showed considerable rot under the boomkin. In Bud's words the best wood for the boomkin is st...
Mar 20, 2007 - 04:16 pm - Mike:I went boomkinless And love it as for the wind vane attachement (no problem) see attached photo.<br>Wind vane <br>Please forgive ...
Sep 03, 2007 - 11:11 pm - When you went with the stainless boomkin, did you do away with the sampson posts? I like mine as tie-off points for the dock lines.
Sep 04, 2007 - 08:35 am - I am wondering if any of the members can tell me what the point of the spacers are? Our 32 came with no spacers. I will be re-installing with the spac...
Sep 04, 2007 - 02:15 pm - Debbie :The spacers are just to keep the boomkin up off the cap rail.I hope that is what you were asking.And for Terry I have two cleats which I use w...

Galley   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Feb 19, 2009 - 10:52 pm - Hey all,Started the renovation of our galley and navigation areas. We're trying to decide between Formica and solid surface (acrylic, Corian) style co...
Feb 20, 2009 - 09:42 am - Aaron, Be careful about the lockers above the galley and nav station.In my opinion, when Westsail built large cabinets there it made the cabin appear ...
Feb 20, 2009 - 12:23 pm - Aaron:Some input on the counter surface, if you go solid surface stay away from Corian it micro cracks with heat and is a pain. I recommend "Swan ...
Feb 20, 2009 - 04:02 pm - Bud,Thank you for the input. I've been aboard a few W32s with a serious claustrophobia problem, so we're cognizant of this issue. We're going to keep ...
Feb 20, 2009 - 05:03 pm - Aaron:Home depot will order the Swanstone (they should have samples in there counter department, you may have to ask.)Swanstone, Corian, etc all weigh...
Feb 20, 2009 - 11:17 pm - Norm,I'm very interested in this stuff. About how much does the Swanstone cost? Are your fiddles rounded or 90 degrees? I can't tell from the photo. I...
Feb 21, 2009 - 01:00 am - Aaron:not sure on the cost est 100 to 300 for one pannel.fiddles can be made up of strips swanstone stacked and glued (west sys) I displaced the botto...
Feb 21, 2009 - 09:22 am - Norm,That is one snazzy looking galley. Very nice.I'm also embarking on a complete galley makeover, albeit on a W28. Lots less room for innovation. I ...
Feb 21, 2009 - 11:40 am - Norm,The another thing that is stirring in our minds is going haywire and removing the galley and port furniture altogether. We really like the idea o...
Feb 21, 2009 - 11:44 am - Oh, BTW, I checked with Home Depot this morning and a single panel of Swanstone is $750 which makes it more expensive than even the pricey Corian. I c...
Feb 21, 2009 - 12:38 pm - Arron:What thickness did you ask for? Remember just one shower panel 32"x84" x1/4". it cant be 750.00. dims are from memory(you know I am ...
Feb 21, 2009 - 01:45 pm - Stephen :Both you and Aaron, are to kind, But thanks.Don't forget that partial bulkheads may be required for strength, and never bond over paint as th...
Feb 21, 2009 - 01:56 pm - Norm,My previous post was made during a bout of insanity. Standing in the boat now, I'm not so sure I'm interested in gutting the port side for such a...
Feb 21, 2009 - 06:52 pm - Aaron,Don Casey in "This Old Boat" has 5 pages devoted to building a really good ice box whether for refrigeration or not. Also, a couple of p...
Feb 21, 2009 - 10:06 pm - Aaron: WOW I AM getting OLD and out of touchAnd at that price please don't buy it, it is way way way overpriced. I think I remembered paying 85.00/ sh...
Feb 22, 2009 - 08:22 am - Norm,The partial bulkheads I removed will be going back in but in a slightly different position to accomodate the new stove. I plan to glass them to t...
Feb 22, 2009 - 09:39 am - Aaron -For a good seal on the ice box, I got a magnetic seal made up by R-parts. It is the same thing as the fridge at home. They make them to spec. I...
Feb 22, 2009 - 10:58 am - Ken,Great, please take a photo or two. Also, how thick is this magnetic seal, and how does it attach?I'm working off the idea of a three-seal system, ...
Feb 22, 2009 - 11:20 am - Correction: Affinity's "Catalina" - D512. It's real light in color, so should help to brighten it up, though there are still gold/browns in it...
Feb 22, 2009 - 11:35 pm - Hi all,Just added some photos of the female side of the icebox closure, sealed and glued with epoxy. It's also screwed in place.There are a few photos...
Feb 23, 2009 - 07:23 am - I have a lid by r-parts also on my fridge. I don't have the standard westsail box. I constructed my own.I am very happy with the seal.I used tile on m...
Feb 24, 2009 - 02:42 pm - I too am re doing the galley on my WS32. I would like to move the Ice box to the rear (engine) bulkhead and the sink to where the ice box is. I hope t...
Feb 24, 2009 - 09:47 pm - You want to keep the box away from the engine bulkhead as the increased load is tremendous when the motor is running. Also almost all cruisers run the...
Mar 01, 2009 - 12:19 am - Hey all,I've made some progress over the past couple weekends, though not as much as I could have. All of these decisions, plus the "well, there's...
Apr 10, 2009 - 10:54 am - Just added a few photos of the the galley/nav table. I have a recital next week and haven't been home to work on the boat in weeks!Best!Aaron N.
Oct 10, 2009 - 01:22 pm - Hey all,We finally got our counters!!! We wound up using Corian brand, "Sandstone" style. The cost was reasonable and the quality is outstandi...
Oct 11, 2009 - 08:53 am - Aaron, Very snazzy galley, but how about a few photos of the UNDERSIDE of the icebox lid?
Oct 11, 2009 - 11:32 am - Tom,OK, I can do that. But there isn't anything attached to the underside yet!I'm still working on underside, but in essence I'm doing this:Took some ...
Oct 15, 2009 - 08:08 pm - Okay, I drew up new plans for an icebox using Bud's recommended 1/2 inch ply with a white laminate interior surface and a stepped, multiple seal lid. ...

Galley   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Mar 09, 2009 - 08:17 am - In the "Galley/Nav Station" thread, a mention was made about putting drawers under the settee table to gain a little more precious (on a W28 a...
Mar 20, 2009 - 06:40 pm - On the subject of the galley table or dinette arrangement. I've often wondered why Westsail did not opt for a bulkhead mounted table..especially since...

Gallows Wood Piece   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jun 12, 2008 - 09:22 am - I'm trying to figure out what the measurement is at the ends of the wood piece. It looks like 3 3/4" ....anybody built this piece and remember thi...
Jun 12, 2008 - 09:30 am - Clearer picture:
Jun 13, 2008 - 08:22 am - Ben,I just went out in my shop and measured the wood piece that I took off my gallows (had to build a taller one after my dodger arrived). Although my...
Jun 13, 2008 - 08:42 am - Thanks a ton Steve

Gel Coat Treatment   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Nov 23, 2007 - 09:04 am - Hi:After a review in Practical Sailer and viewing the results on WS32 "Refuge" down the dock, I am very impressed with PolyGlow to shine up th...
Mar 23, 2008 - 11:33 am - I have started on the hull -- and here are some photo's of yesterday's efforts.http://picasaweb.google.com/jaybietz/HullPolyGlow
Apr 11, 2008 - 08:32 pm - Beautiful job and beautiful boat.
Apr 13, 2008 - 07:34 am - Jay: Looks great. Hard to tell from the photo, but did you have any oxidation? wondering how it works on gel coat that is oxidized?Mike
Apr 13, 2008 - 12:40 pm - Mike, if I might add to this thread, my w32 #730 sat on the hard ten years in the Connecticut sun and was horribly oxidized. I used the poliglow and t...
Apr 13, 2008 - 08:10 pm - Sounds too good to be true! This is going to save me a lot of work. Ordering some up right now.thanks/Mike
Apr 14, 2008 - 09:26 pm - Ohh, nice tip. I'll try it on my oxidized gel coat real soon.
Apr 15, 2008 - 09:54 am - Hi all for the replies and compliments: (just back from a trip to Fayettfille, NC by air)Yes, I had some oxidation but 3 years ago when I pulled the b...

Going 'boom Free'   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Nov 10, 2004 - 07:49 am - I currently have a clubfooted staysail. I'm thinking of removing the boom to clear the foredeck a bit.I think at one point in the past my Westsail was...
Nov 10, 2004 - 08:04 pm - Nope aint there. There is a bit of info in the owners section on the topic though. Also I think in Bud's service manual.
Nov 11, 2004 - 08:26 pm - I've had verious methods of cleating my sheets. My favorite is my current set up with rope clutches backed up by small winches. They are very nice. I'...
Nov 22, 2004 - 11:34 am - we have the same setup. a small winch on either side (not used most of the time) and spinlocksworks great and wouldn't go back
Nov 22, 2004 - 05:26 pm - Bud dropped me an email and pointed out the fact his service manual covers going boom free (slaps forehead).It appears I'm all set to go except for ad...

GPS Mounts   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jun 06, 2008 - 02:54 pm - Has anyone mounted a gps/chartplotter with depth sounder and found a clean way to switch between using it inside/outside? I was hoping to have some so...

Groco Sea Cocks   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jul 29, 2007 - 04:58 am - Ive been told that the old style Groco sea cocks are the best you can get because they are rebuildable, you can also tighten them up when they get wor...
Jul 29, 2007 - 01:46 pm - The Groco seacocks are great, however unfortunately replacement rubber cones for them are no longer available. If you have them installed in the boat,...
Jul 30, 2007 - 01:02 am - Can the rubber cones be easily be made for them? Is anyone making them? I have some of these sea cocks some new condition, some old, and I want to use...
Jul 30, 2007 - 01:40 am - Ive been looking around and it seems the old style have proven themselves for many of years. I have heard of them lasting 30 years with no problems. I...
Jul 30, 2007 - 11:34 am - The cones are not easy to make, and there is no other company making them, to my knowledge. I have never seen a Blake/Taylor seacock.The cones do not ...
Aug 19, 2007 - 03:42 pm - Bud,You mean 'grease the rubber cones', correct? Any particular brand/type of grease? I ask this because sometimes 'grease' can mean any generic lubri...
Aug 19, 2007 - 06:49 pm - Probably the best grease to use on the rubber cones is the one used for wheel bearings on small boat launch trailers.
Aug 20, 2007 - 03:24 am - Jon:I use silicone Plumbers grease with some sucess.Seamed like the Ideal thing to used with rubber.No issues so far 10 Years and counting.
Aug 21, 2007 - 08:52 am - "Spartan" makes beautiful seacocks, the cones are all bronze and will last a lifetime. I had the chance to work on a thirty year old Cape Dory...
Aug 31, 2007 - 05:06 pm - They should be considering the price Spartan charges for their seacocks.
Jan 10, 2008 - 12:00 am - The Groco valves are exceptionally good. It's a very simple job to grease them, simply remove two screws and slide the rubber cone out. Not sure why y...
Mar 01, 2008 - 09:40 am - Can you grease/maintain Groco valves - i.e. take them apart - while in the water?? (handle in 'closed' position obviously!)
Mar 01, 2008 - 10:19 am - You can if you go underwater and stick a cork into the thruhull fitting. You need to remove the cone from the seacock to properly service it. Then it ...
Mar 01, 2008 - 11:59 pm - Thanks Bud- I think I'll wait for the next haul out to service!
Mar 02, 2008 - 08:47 am - Brian,I've had luck with rubber plugs for working on my seacocks. However, I did not leave the boat while the plug was in from the outside as there is...
Mar 02, 2008 - 09:20 am - Thanks Aaron, would be nice to have the option of servicing a stubborn seacock while in the water... Size(s) and source for these rubber plugs??
Mar 02, 2008 - 10:43 pm - Brian,I got them at my local True Value hardware store, and don't really remember the size. The small end is smaller than my smallest seacock and larg...
Nov 09, 2008 - 07:13 pm - One of my groco seacocks weeps while open. I have tried everything from cleaning to regreasing to tightening with no luck... I am out of the water for...
Nov 09, 2008 - 08:11 pm - Mike :The valves should weep when you loosen the tee handle on the back of the valve. Then when you retighten after moving the valve handle they shoul...
Nov 14, 2008 - 04:15 pm - thanks Norm. Moment of insanity. I will try the other seacock out to see if she leaks.Mike
Feb 06, 2009 - 05:03 pm - How much is one of these seacocks for the w32?I looked at a w32 today and it's seacocks were all original am concerned about that and a few other thin...
Feb 06, 2009 - 06:49 pm - The original style Groco seacocks with the rubber cone are no longer available. The ball type are the only ones available from most suppliers.
Feb 07, 2009 - 01:10 am - How much are they to replace them?
Feb 07, 2009 - 10:24 am - The large 1-1/2" seacock with thruhull and backup plate will cost you about $125 each. The small 3/4" ones about half that. Labor if a yard do...
Feb 07, 2009 - 02:56 pm - thanks Bud yeah this boat I looked at I'm not to sure about it so gonna look at some other boats, possibly take a drive down to Florida soon here.Than...

Have You Tried Tek-Dek Synthetic Teak?   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

May 20, 2007 - 02:01 am - Has anyone here had any experience with Tek-Dek (http://www.tek-dek.co.uk/) synthetic teak? I have a W43 just purchased in New Zealand and I was getti...
Jun 15, 2007 - 08:38 am - I have a couple samples of this undergoing a "UV experiment" in our back yard. It has been there for two years. Holding up very well. No shrin...
May 24, 2008 - 12:44 pm - Any further thoughts on this?Cheers,Aaron N.

Hawse Pipe Chafe   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jun 14, 2009 - 08:00 am - I was putting the hawse pipe back in yesterday with great difficulty. I finally got it in but the two edges are not flush. The edges are both around t...
Jun 14, 2009 - 10:38 pm - 5200 works great. use rubber gloves and lots of mineral spirits to clean and smooth. On another note......I have noticed that the dock lines seem to c...
Jun 15, 2009 - 09:47 am - Thanks Don, I have looked at your site before. Beautiful job! I did use 4200, I think I need to add some more though. I wonder, though, how much of it...

Hawse Pipe Repair   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Apr 02, 2009 - 06:26 pm - We just completed the Hawse Pipe Repair on Mary Rose. We thought it might be worth sharing. Take a look.http://www.captainmontgomery.com/2009/04/hawse...
Apr 02, 2009 - 08:14 pm - Don, Your hawse pipe repair looks great. However you evidently have oval hawse pipes installed, and the majority of the Westsail boats have round haws...
Apr 03, 2009 - 11:10 am - I have noticed that most w32 have round hawse pipes. That is what made me think that tese were at least the second set and were installed by one of th...
Apr 03, 2009 - 11:51 am - I did not know that the factory ever did install oval ones, at least not on the West Coast boats. If your boat was built in the NC plant, they may hav...
Apr 04, 2009 - 11:07 am - Guys, I have the oval hawse pipes as well. WSSK02961074. Sure hope I never have one deteriorate or crack!
Apr 04, 2009 - 07:39 pm - Don, Tom,I had the oval hawse pipes also. WSSK04310775. They all leaked when I bought the boat. Looked like someone had tried to span the gap by build...
Apr 05, 2009 - 10:52 am - That reminds me: Bud, could you e-mail me a current price for 4 new hawse pipes w/rubber piece for a W28? I have your manual but I know prices change ...
Apr 05, 2009 - 02:36 pm - Steve, Unfortunately, both of the suppliers I had for the round bronze hawse pipes have stopped importing them. I found another source in New Zealand,...
Apr 05, 2009 - 06:33 pm - The two sets have been asked for by an owner. I will see if I can locate any more.
Apr 05, 2009 - 08:40 pm - Jeff,We had the same "fiberglass tub" issue. Tale a look at our blog and the photos of what I pulled out of the bulwark. Let me know if it loo...
Apr 05, 2009 - 09:31 pm - Don,Looks like you did a great job. The hose and 5200 should keep things dry.I don't recall if there was so much newspaper involved but did bust out a...
Apr 06, 2009 - 05:27 am - Jeff,I think our hull was buiilt on the east coast. Do you happen to know if your hull was built on the east coast? Perhaps that was the method they u...
Apr 06, 2009 - 09:43 pm - Don,I'm not really certain if it is an East or West coast boat. A copy of the survey that Bud did for two owners prior to me states that it was an Eas...
Apr 07, 2009 - 12:56 pm - Jeff, Your boat was a kit boat, so the first owner probably installed the oval hawse pipes as they were readily available from most marine supply stor...
Apr 19, 2009 - 06:26 pm - I just removed my starboard bow hawse pipe today. I learned a few days ago that the boat had some damage on that side 8 years ago which explained why ...
Apr 19, 2009 - 08:11 pm - Nanatte's Photos:Before I began:Once I got the two pieces off (note all the bedding in lieu of missing fiberglass:Cleaned up and filled with West Syst...
Apr 19, 2009 - 09:57 pm - Other sources for the round hawse pipes are:http://www.spartanmarine.com/catalog.htmlandhttp://www.sailboatstuff.com/dk_pipe.htmlIf anyone knows of a ...
Apr 20, 2009 - 02:54 pm - Nannette, There does appear to be a hose on the one half. The hose should cover the joint to prevent it from leaking. I have new hose available if you...
Apr 20, 2009 - 02:59 pm - Jeff, The hawse pipes at sailboatstuff.com are from ABI, and ABI has gone out of the business of supplying marine hardware. I have located another sou...
Apr 21, 2009 - 05:56 am - Bud, the pieces are not with me but my recollection is that what is surrounding the larger piece stops at it's edge and there was nothing on the small...
Apr 21, 2009 - 01:16 pm - It was probably some caulking residue or some of the rubber from the hose that stuck to the bronze. I would say just clean it off, and use some light ...

Head Layout On A W32   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Feb 24, 2009 - 05:21 pm - Alan & Sue:I started a new thread for the Head question you asked. Is there any prefered location for the head such as feet forward, back to port ...
Feb 25, 2009 - 10:38 am - Thank You Norm: I know that you should use the head as little as possible but no matter how many times I say go before we go that 10 minutes underway(...
Feb 25, 2009 - 02:06 pm - Norm,Do you have some photos of the modified head somewhere? I'm interested, too.Thanks,Aaron N.
Feb 26, 2009 - 05:36 pm - Aaron I snaped a couple of photos of the sink Attached I Hope (Yea I need to do some cleanup)
Feb 26, 2009 - 07:49 pm - Norm: I'm glad to see the fire extingusher so near at hand in the head.
Feb 26, 2009 - 10:36 pm - Jay :I am so glad you you noticed, Yes I cook some really great chili on board ( you know 1, 2 right up through 5 alarm).And as a cautious captain I a...
Feb 27, 2009 - 12:45 pm - Norm,Great pics, I'll be pirating your shower grate design. I just recently plumbed in a pump to the shower pan drain, but only have a hatch cover. Th...
Feb 27, 2009 - 04:25 pm - Scott: I ripped out my shower pan (I am deck or land shower kind of guy) I don't know if you can see but all of my chain rode is under the grate. (OK ...
Feb 27, 2009 - 07:10 pm - Norm:The fin has only gotten a light workout on one trip so far and it's hard to tell any changes. I have a large project at work and can't get to the...

Head Pumpout   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Aug 01, 2007 - 12:02 pm - Satori currently has a macerator pump to empty the holding tank (one of Bud's) in the forepeak. The electric motor is in the head near the thruhull. H...
Aug 01, 2007 - 02:52 pm - Hi Ken,I think there may be a few problems with that approach. 1: Are you going to remove the macerator? I'm not sure how well you'll be able to push ...
Oct 25, 2007 - 01:53 am - Ken,One solution would be to install a bilge pump in the discharge line from the tank with a Y-valve right after that. The extra line would then go th...
Oct 28, 2007 - 08:09 pm - Jeff, I plan to remove the macerator pump. Set up is 1)line from head to holding tank with a valve (#1) (open or close). 2)Line from holding tank to ...

Headliner Change-out   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Mar 06, 2008 - 11:20 am - Our W28 came with the factory-installed naugahyde headliner. We hate the way it looks and the fact that there's no way to access wiring and such behin...
Mar 06, 2008 - 01:27 pm - Steve,5200 caulking will work. So will Liquid Nails from Home Depot. Much less expensive. You just have to wait a few days for the Liquid Nails to cur...
Mar 06, 2008 - 01:29 pm - Also, even 1/2" thick strips will be hard to bend into place. Try 3/8" or even 1/4" instead.

Headliner Replacement   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Apr 14, 2007 - 08:40 am - I need to replace my headliner. I foolishly made it out of doorskin and it has delaminated.I now want to replace it with something else.I want it to b...
Apr 14, 2007 - 10:38 am - Rich, I'm struggling with the same questions. My boat never had a headliner or coachbeams installed (long story, ask the ghost of the previous owner) ...
Apr 14, 2007 - 12:58 pm - I'm using 3/8 mdo in which I routed a v groove running fore and aft to simulate individual tongue and groove boards. I had considered exterior grade b...
Apr 15, 2007 - 12:47 pm - I may use that pine wainscotting bead board and glue perpendicular small stock to make panels so it is easier to take down to maintain the bedding on ...
Apr 15, 2007 - 09:20 pm - Rich, I cannot disagree that solid is better than ply, however I bought a package of the 3/8' oak wainscot at Home Depot just to see if the length wou...
Apr 17, 2007 - 12:04 am - I think counter top laminent would work well,it's water proof, tough and easy to clean.Comes in any color and pattern you would like.---Ron
Apr 17, 2007 - 12:43 pm - One headliner I like is one made out of nygahyde or like material and installed with zippers. This is how Crealocks are done. This way you always have...
Apr 17, 2007 - 04:32 pm - thanks for that Jim,Seems too much like a Sea Ray for me to get exited about, though.
Apr 28, 2007 - 07:56 pm - You should really use a solid material installed ((mahogany, cedar, cyprus) strips, fastened with wood screw and fender washers) that is paint able to...
Oct 22, 2007 - 08:26 am - Rich, Did you get the headliner project done? I'm starting to rip down the original naugahyde headliner in our W28 and want to replace it with wood. M...
Oct 22, 2007 - 03:24 pm - I made patterns for my headline using 1/2 wide strips that I ripped from hardboard (pegboard w/o holes) screwing the pieces togther as necessary. I tr...
Oct 22, 2007 - 07:02 pm - Anyone have any pictures of their overhead ideas and/or work?! ;-) We are replacing rotten plywood around the hatch, (due to faulty hatch and deck har...
Oct 24, 2007 - 04:04 pm - I've got full tounge and groove and it looks GREAT. Why put cheap carpet in a classic car?
Oct 27, 2007 - 08:26 am - I ended up using painted 3/8 beadboard. It is made with exterior glues. I have had alot of compliments from it. It cost about 20 bucks.I recommend it....
Oct 28, 2007 - 06:17 pm - Tongue and groove looks good, but is difficult to install. Also, as the humidity changes from day to night, the tongues can move in the grooves, and t...
Oct 30, 2007 - 10:21 am - This might be a dumb question, but what is beadboard, and where is it sold?Thanks,Fred
Oct 30, 2007 - 05:41 pm - Beadboard is a plywood sheet with a tongue and grooove type pattern routed in in it. Think old house porch ceiling. It is available at most home cente...
Oct 31, 2007 - 09:07 pm - I bought mine at lowes there on the beachside right down the road from you. I also primed it and painted it after I cut it out. I did it at the house ...
Nov 06, 2007 - 12:13 pm - Hey Rich,The "new" motor is great - had a little overheating problem at first, but cured that with a good flush of the freshwater side of the ...
Nov 07, 2007 - 06:35 am - no problem, I will give you plenty of heads up. We need to do that raft up also!Glad to see you are back in action.rich
Apr 06, 2008 - 05:07 pm - The naugahyde-to-oak headliner project on my W28 moved another step this weekend. We got all the naugahyde torn down. I swear the boat is floating abo...
May 22, 2008 - 12:41 am - We too will do a slat-style that can be easily removed for inspection. Our deck beams on our W32 flushdeck #244 are only 9" apart, so we have a bu...
May 22, 2008 - 04:28 pm - I picked up a sample of a PVC tongue and groove beadboard at a local lumber yard that looks awsome. Yeah, it's PVC, so it would be easy to glue up the...
May 24, 2008 - 02:20 am - Hmmm....that might be an option when we remove the white paint from our beams...as I think contrast is the way to go for aesthetic reasons. We love ou...
May 24, 2008 - 07:23 am - Shan, I flinch at the price of the PVC, but I haven't found a sheet beadboard that looks good enough to suit me. My interior was badly stained (previo...
May 25, 2008 - 01:37 am - Interesting that your stained is not like our stained=rotten! I too agree that the difference in boats is the most intriguing! That is why ideas share...
May 27, 2008 - 07:24 am - My boat's previous owner left it sitting out in a field with one of the hatches open for some time. Rain/snow melt raised the bilge water level to abo...
May 27, 2008 - 08:01 am - When I am down to the boat next month I will shoot some photos of the new headliner to show everyone how it looks. That way everyone can make a decisi...
May 27, 2008 - 11:25 am - To all - here are some pictures of the headliner (thin plywood beadboard, interior grade) from a home-finished 32 that attended the SoCal Rendezvous(J...
May 27, 2008 - 04:31 pm - That looks very nice!
May 29, 2008 - 07:03 pm - that is what mine looks like.I am also very happy.rich
Jan 06, 2009 - 12:07 pm - Hey guys, my W32 has a thin liner of, I quess you'd call it, perferated vynl. I think its glued to the top in most of the cabin, and I'm not sure how ...
Jan 07, 2009 - 08:12 am - Butch,After I ripped down the vinyl (naugahyde) in my W28, I glued and screwed 3/8" thick pieces of white oak directly to the fiberglass using Liq...
Jan 07, 2009 - 10:03 pm - Steve,Looks good. Thank you for the pictures. I have a few questions about the insulation.1. What kind of insulation is that?2. How thick is it?3. Whe...
Jan 08, 2009 - 11:37 am - Thanks Steve, Looks great! I like the double depth foundation. I assume you glued the insulation with liquid nails too right?I'm sure this is arguable...
Jan 08, 2009 - 11:39 am - Anyone have advice on what I should do about sanding away the soft wood spots?
Jan 08, 2009 - 12:11 pm - Butch,If the softwood spots are in the liner, and not in the 1/2" plywood reinforcement of the deck itself, then just dig out the soft wood, seal ...
Jan 09, 2009 - 08:18 am - George & Butch...1.) The insulation is just sheet styrofoam that has a very thin plastic film on it to hold it together. Can't remember the brand ...
Jan 10, 2009 - 11:28 am - Steve,Thank you for being very specific. Your suggestions will help me greatly. Using velcro for the insulation is perfect. I happen to have some layi...
Jan 12, 2009 - 08:25 pm - Steve,I want to add my thank you also. The details you provided are terrific. Thanks for sharing the great projects you are doing on your Westsail.Hmm...
Jan 13, 2009 - 08:05 am - George...When you refer to the V-berth "ceiling", are you referring to the overhead or to the slats lining the inside of the hull (the "wa...
Jan 13, 2009 - 08:09 pm - Steve,Yes, by "ceiling" I was referring to the slats lining the hull (or at least that should be lining the hull in the V-berth). Mine was a k...
Jan 14, 2009 - 08:09 am - George,My V-berth ceiling is teak. It's pretty dark. If I were doing it, which I fortunately don't have to do, I think I would lean towards a lighter-...
Feb 02, 2009 - 12:25 am - Finished at last.Before:and after:-Steve
Feb 02, 2009 - 08:11 am - Wow, that came out NICE!!! (love the Grateful Dead poster)...
Feb 02, 2009 - 10:54 am - Thanks Fred. It's probably too small to see in the photo but the poster (which is actually lithographed metal) says "One More Saturday Night"....
Feb 02, 2009 - 02:04 pm - Steve,If that's beadboard plywood, it can out extremely nicely. You should be proud of your work - looks great.Ralph
Feb 03, 2009 - 08:19 am - Ralph,Thanks for the compliment. This part isn't plywood. It's the 3" wide x 1/4" thick pine beadboard they sell at Home Depot for wainscoting...
Feb 02, 2010 - 11:50 am - Hey Steve -Looks really nice. How did you deal with the straight wood strips running parallel along the curved edge of the cabintop? Seems like it wou...
Feb 02, 2010 - 12:05 pm - Hi, Josh...How I cut the curved edges:1.) First, I started hanging the strips from the center of the boat and then worked out towards the sides of the...

Help ! Super Spar   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Sep 06, 2005 - 07:05 pm - Need a couple of pictures of the boom end of a super spar. I derigged mine, took some pics but they don't appear detailed enough. So if anyone has a d...

Holding Tank Layout   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Aug 04, 2009 - 11:10 am - I am having some issues with my head/holding tank. For one, the tank (12 gallons) fills up pretty quick. the tank is under the v berth and the run to ...
Aug 04, 2009 - 01:07 pm - Check out Page G-7 of my Westsail Service Manual for a solution that has worked on many other Westsail 32's.
Aug 04, 2009 - 07:34 pm - I have Bud's 18 gallon tank mounted high (above the waterline) under the port vee-berth, and it works fine. No leaks, no odors, and no macerator pump ...
Aug 07, 2009 - 08:22 pm - Terry, did you use the Whale pump in-line to pump the tank to the sea or do you just gravity drain? -Tom Kkoehl
Aug 07, 2009 - 10:44 pm - Gravity seems to work just fine. It seems to get most of the "stuff" out.
Aug 18, 2009 - 04:44 pm - Hi Mike, how's it?I just went through a little learning experience with the head on my boat. Ken had installed a larger holding tank right on top of t...

Holding Tank Replacement   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Apr 10, 2006 - 07:52 am - Had another leak on the way back from Catalina sunday, and when I tracked it down, I found that a previous owner had used a collapsable fresh water ta...
Apr 16, 2006 - 08:37 am - Terry, We just had a holding tank fabricated from polypropylene from a group in Rhode Island called Sea-Fab: http://www.gocctech.com/marine/boat-tank....
Apr 26, 2006 - 07:20 pm - OK, has anyone tried the gravity-discharge Bud recommends? I'm not doubting what Bud knows and says, but several folks I've talked to (not Westsail ow...
Apr 27, 2006 - 10:30 pm - Terry Remember shit rolls down hill!Ok I could not resist but as long as the tank is above the water line it should drain as long as the tubing is all...
May 07, 2006 - 11:16 am - Terry, I bought the 13 gal. from Bud, and installed it. IT dropped into the front compartment of the V-berth, and then simply glassed it in. The whole...

How Long Is My Boat Going To Last?   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Nov 17, 2009 - 06:40 am - Nothing lasts forever. Not even fiberglass, I'm sure. The question is, how long can I expect my 1973 W32's hull and deck to last? What is known about ...
Nov 17, 2009 - 01:22 pm - It should outlast you. Some of the fiberglass boats built in the early 1960's are still going strong. So are these built in the 1970's.The exterior su...
Nov 17, 2009 - 08:04 pm - Kenny,I asked the same question some years ago. The answer delivered by some knowledgeable friends in the shipping/marine surveying industry is that n...
Nov 18, 2009 - 06:23 am - Thanks guys,Bud, I'm 42 and plan on living to be 100 (when I hope to be shot by a jealous husband). Are you saying that the hull of my '73 vintage W32...
Nov 18, 2009 - 07:32 am - I know that when a wing comes off an aircraft in flight, the first signs are a loud noise, followed almost immediately by an inherent instability in t...
Nov 18, 2009 - 11:31 am - Dusting off my engineering degree I recall testing done on composite structures. The stresses on a boat hull and pressurizing a aircraft are apples a...
Nov 18, 2009 - 04:54 pm - The fortunate problem with the fiberglass laminate schedule on the Westsail is that it was NOT done by an aircraft engineer. It was done by a wood boa...
Nov 19, 2009 - 07:29 am - Guys,I'm with you on this one but have a look at this article that someone posted in reply to a similar question that I asked on sailnet.com. Any thou...
Nov 19, 2009 - 12:48 pm - I suspect I know who wrote this. I do not agree with him. He is very vocal about modern designs and trashes older ones. Funny but the only glass fail...
Nov 19, 2009 - 01:10 pm - I guess I am on a "tear" here. Bottem line is it really does not matter. Get a boat and get out there. You only have so much time. Don't let ...
Nov 21, 2009 - 06:58 am - As I sat moored beneath the departure path of an international airport I realized that the aviation comparison isn't really helpful. What do 90%+ ...
Nov 21, 2009 - 10:52 pm - Ken,Thanks for your knowledgeable comments, and even more for the common sense ones.Kenny, you may plan to live to be 100, but you have no guarantee t...

How Much Paint Does A W32 Topsides Take?   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Oct 16, 2008 - 08:41 am - Incredibly,I did not find the answer to this question posted on the board.So, how many square feet do the topsides make up. I was about to order Awlgr...
Oct 16, 2008 - 09:08 am - Randy,Figure 5'x70' and you'll have plenty!Cheers!Aaron N.
Oct 16, 2008 - 02:58 pm - Thank you so much Aaron.I was holding off to get some help and not have to guesstimate. Just a quick request to the group and you came right through. ...
Oct 16, 2008 - 04:04 pm - As a follow up, and to save fellow Westsailors some grief, here' how I do the math for a W32 topsides (excluding sheer stripe), using the original Awl...
Nov 16, 2008 - 09:51 am - Job came out great. There are more details on a recent new thread "Painting with Awlgrip". Thanks for all the help. And yes, the math on paint...

How To Cut Down A (bobstay) Zinc??   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Apr 06, 2008 - 09:23 pm - Need to put a new zinc on my bobstay fitting (W32).The smallest I could find is a 1 1/2" saucer-shaped- and isslightly too large. I've seen somebo...
Apr 06, 2008 - 10:15 pm - I did mine with some regular wire cutters. I was in the dinghy and had a set - probably would be easier with a metal hand saw, but zinc is soft and my...
Apr 06, 2008 - 11:03 pm - thanks aaron- good call~
Apr 07, 2008 - 11:25 pm - My 18" bolt cutters did the trick with a single snip! (need to do a test sometime and make sure that they will also cut 9/32" wire in an emerg...

I Take It Back   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

May 01, 2007 - 04:27 pm - Last year,when I was in the middle of stripping & refinishing all my exterior teak someone asked what people were using to finish their wood.I 'vo...
May 01, 2007 - 04:36 pm - Hi Mike,My vessel's cap rails, hand rails, hatch cover tops and anchor platform was in real tough condition. The rest of the wood was pretty good and ...
May 03, 2007 - 07:04 am - Mike$100 per gallon is about average for the going rate for marine varnish so you shouldn't rule out the automotive stuff. If you use it please tell u...
May 03, 2007 - 04:13 pm - I use Cetol here in Alameda - 2 under coats and 2 of the gloss. After a 3+ years I do have a couple of small burn thru spots but otherwise it look...
May 04, 2007 - 07:25 pm - Bristol finish a two part urethane is head and shoulders above the rest, looks better that any varnish, use it on all my clients boats. On my own 32 I...
May 05, 2007 - 02:48 pm - Chris,Citrus solve? Is that a brand name or a type of product? I was wondering if anyone has ever tried linseed oil and turpentine mixed 50/50. It's w...
May 05, 2007 - 05:11 pm - Hi Tom & Barb,Over the years I have tried just about everything regarding wood finishes. The formulation you are referring to 50 linseed 50 minera...
May 05, 2007 - 07:48 pm - Chris,Thanks for the clarification. BTW, are you West or East coast? We're going to the Belfast ME rendezvous and are anxious to see the finishing tou...
May 06, 2007 - 08:23 am - Chris:I would like to try your china / Tung oil finish on the teak on the cockpit sole.Can I assume that the oil finish will NOT be slippery?JB
May 06, 2007 - 04:36 pm - I just had Cetol applied to my brightwork, and it looks pretty darned good. Seems they've come up with a new formulation (according to the guy who did...
May 06, 2007 - 05:29 pm - I reside in NY on the Hudson river, will not be able to make rendevous this year as I have to much work to get done. Finish will not be slippery. The ...
May 07, 2007 - 07:25 pm - Thanks Chris for the info.The teak strips are pretty dirty now but not much work to get them looking good again.I thinking of scrubbing with teak clea...
May 10, 2007 - 07:07 am - The reason I decided to strip my 'just applied' Cetol wasn't because of the orangy look. I decided could live with that if it meant I didn't have to s...
May 10, 2007 - 12:24 pm - Try Armada finish. Similar to Cetol, but much better. I was developed by the people who originally produced Cetol, then they sold the Cetol company to...
May 11, 2007 - 07:28 am - I have pictures of a customers Grand Banks trawler that I have just finished doing all his brightwork with the Bristol urethane, if anyone would like ...
May 11, 2007 - 01:47 pm - We use Crystal by Detco and have found it to outlast any other products we have tried. We haven't tried Armada or Bristol, but two boats next to me us...

I Think I Need To Add Coachroof Beams   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jul 26, 2005 - 11:51 am - our coachroof seems to be sagging a bit. Any one else seen this? I don't know if it because our boat is an east coast boat or not. We don's have anyth...
Jul 26, 2005 - 12:45 pm - RichDo you have any floor to ceiling posts aft of your main bulkhead? Mine has four..two stainless posts which support the table and two teak ones mou...
Jul 26, 2005 - 03:54 pm - Hi Rich, not quite sure what you are saying. Is your ceiling sagging around the main bulkhead? From your description I understand that aft of the main...
Jul 26, 2005 - 05:01 pm - Sorry if I was unclear. At the main bulkhead all is fine. Our problem is aft of that.We have no posts in our interior. I was going to add one at the g...
Jul 26, 2005 - 05:30 pm - Rich,you might be better off laminating your beams in place rather than rely on measurements from someone elses cabin that may or may not have the sam...
Jul 26, 2005 - 05:41 pm - Rich,Whereabouts in Indiana are you?
Jul 26, 2005 - 07:08 pm - Hi Rich, ok, I understand now. I have never heard of that problem aft of the bulkhead. I only have one supporting post which is at the front end of th...
Jul 27, 2005 - 07:07 pm - I was going to make these up and then plane them when I got to the boat. I can make them easily 5 inches thick and then use a power planer to get it r...
Jul 27, 2005 - 07:41 pm - Rich,I would be happy to take any measurements you want or if you want to measure them yourself and spend some time head scratchin my boat is here in ...
Jul 27, 2005 - 09:23 pm - Good day Rich:5"?In any case laminate these in place. I did ad 2 beams 3" wide and about 2.25" thk. (3 ea 3/4" boards)Three tips1.) ma...
Jul 28, 2005 - 06:10 am - norm. I was exaggerating, but you get the idea. I would rather do this out of the boat and then make a cardboard pattern of the exact curve. Then I wo...
Jul 28, 2005 - 09:44 am - Good day Rich:I believe you are missing my description.there (No cardboard)the boards are sprung (Bent) up into shape to conform to the coach roof. an...
Aug 19, 2005 - 08:38 pm - Be aware the camber of the coach roof changes. I follow Mate's book years ago, made up 4 beams out of 1x12's and then ripped them. Had to cut them apa...
Oct 25, 2005 - 06:31 pm - Rich, I'll be doing coach beams for my boat later this Fall. We're only in Warren, about 1-1/2 hrs north of Indy off of I-69. If you want, you can use...
May 25, 2008 - 02:31 am - Did you add the beams?! I know this is rather late in this thread, but our flushdeck has athwartships beams every nine inches, from companionway to bo...
May 25, 2008 - 09:06 am - Shan and everyone else: Check out the Fein Multimaster. Don't know if it would help in your situation but it is one cool tool. The blades are pricey b...
May 25, 2008 - 09:49 pm - Thanks guys, we will check that out! It seems as if it would get up above the beams to take out the rotten plywood, without destroying the beams, etc.
May 26, 2008 - 07:23 am - I'm a little confused by your description. Is the plywood in fact a liner or is it the deck surface which is then covered in fiberglass cloth? If it i...
May 26, 2008 - 09:36 pm - I'm just finishing up my coachroof beams and thought I'd pass on a lesson learned. When you laminate the beams don't forget to allow a bit more curvat...
May 27, 2008 - 12:47 am - Thanks for the info on the beams, etc. We will keep our beams, just adding pieces to them.Yes, the plywood is our deck. On the top is solid fibreglass...

Icebox 'rebuild' Question   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jul 20, 2006 - 02:22 pm - This has probably been discussed before but I couldn't find anything via searching.I have some 2" commercial refrigerator foam I want to use to re...
Aug 05, 2006 - 08:14 pm - Mike,I did build ours in the 32 and of course you saw ours in the 42. My take would be to destroy as little as possible. You could remove the inboard ...
Aug 13, 2006 - 01:36 pm - Dave, you launched yet? I'm tied up next to Bob & Peggy on Adagio, a WS42. I've been telling them about your 'restoration', how your work on your ...
Aug 14, 2006 - 08:18 pm - Mike, I wrote an article for Windblown this issue that details a complete box rebuild. Removing the liner is a little bit of work. The lip of the box ...
Aug 16, 2006 - 07:01 pm - Thanks for contributing to Windblown. I'm really looking forward to reading about your project. I'm putting an article together about removing both ol...
Aug 16, 2006 - 11:48 pm - I removed the panel next to the stove and the small panel on the end of the cabinet as well as the top. Then I had to use a saws all to remove the fib...
Oct 14, 2006 - 09:17 am - For anyone interested in a replacement liner, I'm having one built by a customer (I work for Crown Lift Trucks - Bulldog Battery manufactures industri...
Oct 14, 2006 - 04:34 pm - Hey Mike, Yeah we're in the water; finally. Still have some to do but getting closer. Hope to viist the islands this summer for a shakedown and then m...
Oct 15, 2006 - 10:17 am - I'm not sure I follow your suggestions (what resulting 'joint' would need covering, teak strips outboard instead of a locker?).I fully anticipate havi...
Oct 15, 2006 - 06:40 pm - If you remove the top; I don't know how the formica attaches behind the stove and to the sink. On our 32 I had one large piece. If your cabinets come ...
Oct 16, 2006 - 11:16 am - Ahh... OK. Now I get it. According to the plans I have the top does indeed extend to the hull (forming the bottom of the outboard locker.One of the fa...
Oct 16, 2006 - 06:48 pm - Mike, I looked to see if I had pics of your boat. Sorry I don't. You might be able to (once you get the tile off) take a dremal tool and carefully cut...
Oct 19, 2006 - 10:53 am - Mike, to remove the old box is difficult withiout removing some of the cabinetry. I took off the side near the stove and outboard end and still had to...
Oct 19, 2006 - 04:50 pm - Oh I certainly expected to have to remove the fiddles, at least one side (galley side) and the end (nearest the centerline).My challenge is, can I rem...

Icebox Construction   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Sep 21, 2009 - 01:36 pm - Aaron, I second Gary's question about your icebox. What did you paint the interior with? My boat had NO liner at all (don't know what the heck the PO ...
Sep 21, 2009 - 11:01 pm - Tom,Cut the pieces out of 1/2" plywood. Before assembling, cover the interior surfaces with formica. Assemble the pieces, then use fiberglass tape...
Sep 21, 2009 - 11:28 pm - Tom and Gary,We have a factory fiberglass icebox. After modifying it and adding some insulation on the underside of the counters, I sealed it all with...
Sep 22, 2009 - 01:59 pm - Bud, et al, thanks for the guidance - for some reason I never thought about using laminate!!?? Duh. But that still leaves the challenge of the lid and...
Sep 22, 2009 - 02:01 pm - Just to clarify my last post, I mean reducing the foam exterior of the liner to 2-1/2" of foam vs. 3" on a side.
Sep 22, 2009 - 03:54 pm - The outboard end of the original liner was curved to match the hullside. Not very useful inside the box. Better to make it stepped for a support for s...
Sep 22, 2009 - 07:25 pm - Here's a few thoughts on ice box construction. I found the box construction to be the most challanging item in our refit to meet our energy consumptio...
Sep 23, 2009 - 09:55 am - Jim and Bud, thanks for the thoughts and ideas. For the lids, I have a couple of square feet of Starboard left over from cutting the new rudder cheeks...
Sep 23, 2009 - 12:20 pm - Where did you folks put your refrigeration unit? On Sea Breeze the PO put the unit in the locker beside the aft dinette seat. Surely there's a better ...
Sep 23, 2009 - 01:11 pm - There is no room below the icebox to install a unit. I have seen them in the outboard back corner of the sink cabinet, and in the engine compartment o...
Sep 23, 2009 - 03:13 pm - Our unit is installed under the port setee next to the box. Condensing units need some ventilation especially if air cooled. Temperatures above 130 de...
Sep 26, 2009 - 01:46 pm - Anybody have one mounted outboard of the oven under the counterto? The oven doesn't get much use and you can leave the shelf open on the inboard side.
Sep 26, 2009 - 07:10 pm - Outboard the stove is where Satoris' old system is. I suspect a icebox rebuild is in Randy's future. A local A/C man that does boats told me that 7 y...
Oct 25, 2009 - 07:02 pm - A friend offered me several sheets of polystyrene foam board, but after some research I learned that the R rating of polyurethane foam panels is nearl...
Oct 25, 2009 - 08:41 pm - For Glacierbay's test results check out: http://www.glacierbay.com/gbInsultest.aspI don't think there is any doubling there.Fair Winds
Oct 25, 2009 - 09:25 pm - Dave, I don't doubt that the Glacier Bay panels are superior, but so are the prices. If I was circumnavigating or living aboard in the tropics it woul...
Oct 26, 2009 - 12:31 am - The Glacier bay panels have a 25 yr warranty and don't offgass. We used them but they were expensive. R-Parts use to offer a differant manufactur and ...
Oct 26, 2009 - 07:47 pm - Jim, From my research into foam panels, the rigid polyurethane has an R-9 value per inch (x3 inches gives me roughly 27, down to about 24 over time) a...
Oct 26, 2009 - 10:59 pm - If you can find any surfboard builders in your area, they could help.
Oct 26, 2009 - 11:07 pm - Tom,Check Home Depot; my local one has polyurethane in 1/2" and 3/4" 4'x8' sheets with some sort of reflective material on one side and a plas...
Oct 28, 2009 - 09:01 am - Aaron, I would assume that the plastic sheeting and foil are actually beneficial and just improve the insulating qualities, or am I missing something?...
Oct 28, 2009 - 07:02 pm - The plastic sheet is for protection and has no R value. The foil is to reduce UV radiation which can add to the heat load. Research into the benifits ...
Oct 28, 2009 - 08:08 pm - On the early W32's we stuck rigid polyurethane foam to the outside of the box liner, wrapped it with aluminum foil as a radiation barrier, then wrappe...
Nov 14, 2009 - 12:35 pm - Bud,I guess my boat, 1974 East coast model, 32, must have the foil and plastic. Would you have an opinion on whether rebuilding is necessary? I mean &...
Nov 14, 2009 - 06:04 pm - I would say that initially you should foam the outboard side of the liner per the instructions in my Westsail Service Manual, Page E-1. Then rebuild t...
Nov 16, 2009 - 06:34 pm - Randy,Following Bud's advice, I built a totally new liner in 1/2 plywood with white laminate on the inner face. I designed the top of the icebox to be...
Nov 16, 2009 - 07:50 pm - Wow,Great offer, Tom. I'd love to see plans and pics, only I'm not sure I have enough gumption to sign up for a 40+ hour project right now. I've g...
Nov 21, 2009 - 10:11 am - Randy, I'm out of town now for Thanksgiving but when I get home I'll email you some photos of the project. If you want plans I can send them to you. T...

Ideas For Securing Deck Scupper 'grate'?   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Dec 02, 2005 - 12:35 pm - At some time in the past the original spun brass deck scuppers were replaced with Buds fiberglass ones. Unfortunately, the tubes were installed a tiny...
Dec 05, 2005 - 03:06 pm - MikeSomeone installed drains on mine...not sure if Westsail did or a previous owner. Anyway, they put them in the bottom of the well and routed the po...

Interior Beams Fastened From The Outside W32   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Mar 22, 2008 - 08:05 pm - We have an older boat (first mould) and the cabin overhead beams are fastened from the outside through the cabin-top. Over the years the "plugs...
Mar 23, 2008 - 06:04 am - Hi- I am having the same issue- and actually getting a bit of water migration. Would you be willing to share what advice you have received so far? Tha...
Mar 23, 2008 - 08:14 am - Are you saying that the heads of the bolts are countersunk into the deck and then covered? If so I would grind a shallow tapered hole larger than the ...
Mar 23, 2008 - 10:54 am - Advice given so far is grind out circular depression larger than the plug and fill with thickened epoxy or like Tom says, lay in a patch of wetted fib...
May 25, 2008 - 09:57 pm - Hmm, if one could bolt the beams through the deck, one could avoid cutting out the deck to remove beams and plywood...I figure that would be how they ...
May 26, 2008 - 08:47 pm - The beams are simply through bolted from the outside (coach roof) They are purely cosmetic.
May 26, 2008 - 09:41 pm - Wow, that's a lot of carriage bolts! Yours must have been laminated in-place inside the boat. I laid up mine in a jig then bolted them in with four ca...
May 27, 2008 - 12:38 am - Great pics, I found that blog, it's a great one!Hmmm, ours is a W32 flushdeck #244 with beams 9" apart, yep, nine...we don't think our beams are b...

Interior Varnishing   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jul 26, 2005 - 03:50 am - I am considering varnishing the interior of "El Viajero" I'm extremely happy with the cetol finish on the exterior, however I would like that ...
Jul 26, 2005 - 09:38 am - RodI am in the process of varnishing the entire interior of my boat. Alot of the previously oiled woodwork was water stained so I am having to stain t...
Jul 26, 2005 - 10:11 am - We are also in the process of varnishing our interior. Like Jeff we are doing the trim in gloss and the panels in satin. Our interior was oiled so we ...
Jul 26, 2005 - 03:47 pm - sincere thanks for the advice. I'm sure it will make a huge difference to the interior and I'll keep you posted.
Jul 30, 2005 - 07:11 pm - Hey all,We are considering the same project. Our oiled interior seems to be much darker in areas which receive more sunlight, has anyone else noticed ...
Apr 17, 2008 - 12:27 pm - How did this turn out...we are going to do the same on our oiled interior.
Apr 17, 2008 - 06:26 pm - We used HMG K type varnish. http://www.hmgmarine.com/berenice.html Very happy with it. Basically clear. Good UV protection. There are some pictures of...
Apr 17, 2008 - 06:29 pm - Thanks for the reply Dave - your boat looks very very good!Our project is here:http://westsail32.blogspot.com/
Apr 17, 2008 - 06:41 pm - Sorry - forgot to ask, what did you use on the sole?
Apr 17, 2008 - 06:48 pm - Is it all gloss?
Apr 18, 2008 - 05:48 am - On the cabin sole is it Ultimate Sole. The varnish is all gloss.I discovered on our first boat that if I used a semi or satin that the varnish was sof...
Apr 18, 2008 - 09:16 am - Cheers Dave
Nov 30, 2008 - 06:57 pm - OK so we are about to start this...Our mahogany veneer is pretty dark and we are concerned that varnishing is going to make it darker yet. As it was p...
Nov 30, 2008 - 08:31 pm - Gary,If you don't mind getting the boat wet all over, a soapy mixture of Joy and water may do fine. Tri-sodium phosphate also works well, and is good ...
Dec 01, 2008 - 11:24 am - I am in the process of varnishing the interior of our current W28. We stripped and varnished the entire interior of our first W28 #12 about 14 years a...
Dec 01, 2008 - 06:11 pm - We tried an outdoor varnish(Don't think it was Varathan) from a paint store. The sample looked good int the store. Put it on - looked great, then 2 mo...
Dec 01, 2008 - 08:05 pm - Dave,If I can figure out a way to fill all of the screw holes without stripping, I will. The wood under all of our portlights is discolored from previ...
Dec 01, 2008 - 08:14 pm - Thanks for all the input.Dave - did you sand your mahogany veneered plywood bulkheads before applying the varnish? It looks quite light....just what w...
Dec 02, 2008 - 07:30 pm - Dave,Can you give me the name of the product you used on your exterior teak again.....plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzCongrats on your arrival... we are 47 weeks fr...
Dec 03, 2008 - 03:01 pm - We used a Signature Finish product called "Honey Teak". http://www.signaturefinish.com/Cool here but we're here! Waiting for fronts to calm do...
Dec 05, 2008 - 09:02 pm - I just started this. using TSP works great for cleaning the oil. I was planning to use Petit Captains satin finish but on the way out I found Armada c...
Dec 05, 2008 - 10:06 pm - Did the TSP lighten up the wood? Thanks for the feedback
Dec 06, 2008 - 09:04 am - It lightened some if I had worked more at it I probably could have gotten it more I used a scotch scrubby sponge and undiluted TSP and a rag and a 5 g...
Dec 06, 2008 - 10:10 am - I'm curious about the term "undiluted" TSP. When I buy TSP for washing down woodwork and the outside of the house before repainting, I buy it ...
Dec 06, 2008 - 08:23 pm - Home Depot didn't have the powder all they had was a liquid don't think it was that srong
Dec 07, 2008 - 11:12 am - For brightening mahogany I like Te Ka. I know the label says to only use it on teak but I've never had a problem. Removes decades of oil finish and gr...
Dec 08, 2008 - 09:33 am - You got a real bargain on the Armada finish. I have used it before, and it works great. Good for the exterior also.
Dec 10, 2008 - 07:48 pm - Edward, where did you find the Armada at that closeout price, and do they have any more? I know an owner in San Diego that will need a gallon or two f...
Dec 12, 2008 - 04:36 pm - Bud I got it at BOW(Boat Owners Warehouse) went by today they had 4 qts. left of dark satin I got 2 qts.of clear satin and was hoping to get more they...
Dec 12, 2008 - 08:54 pm - Ed,Did you try lifting the doors out at in every possible position? I've seen some that only lift out in one place.Cheers,Aaron N.

IPE For Exterior Wood   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jan 25, 2008 - 10:11 am - Hi all,In another thread, Tom suggested using IPE for caprail replacement. I've never heard of this wood, but internet research makes it look very pro...
Jan 25, 2008 - 10:44 am - Aaron - check out this site for caprail replacementhttp://www.geocities.com/fluidmotion2/home_frame.htmlCheck out the projects section for cap rail an...
Jan 25, 2008 - 11:18 am - Aaron,Kevin's site for his work on Fluidmotion referenced above is a great step-by-step description. I really like his jig for the scarf joint, I'll h...
Jan 25, 2008 - 01:16 pm - Gary and Jeff,Thanks for the reference to Fluid Motion's site. I've looked through it many times; jealous each and every!What I'm unsure of is how to ...
Jan 25, 2008 - 01:43 pm - Aaron - I know what you mean about being jealous every time you view that site!Iam by no means a good wood worker, but maybe the secret is to use thin...
Jan 26, 2008 - 07:52 am - Aaron,I have seen internet listings in widths up to 10". I have yet to procure the material though so I can't say for certain. If you can only fin...
Jan 31, 2008 - 05:38 pm - Well I guess I get a little slack about taking pictures while I'm working on a project. I did take a couple while putting on the genoa track.\imag...
Jan 31, 2008 - 05:40 pm - try the pictures again...
Jan 31, 2008 - 08:50 pm - The website www.ipedepot.com lists 5/4" x 12" IPE at USD 8.71 per lineal foot and 2" x 12" at USD 12.46 --- they advertise narrower wi...
Feb 01, 2008 - 07:07 am - Jeff,Thanks for the detailed description and pictures. It looks like you fiberglassed the hull/deck join before installing new caprails. Or is that ju...
Feb 01, 2008 - 10:28 am - Aaron,I did put several layers of fiberglass tape on top of the hull to deck joint. The gap between I cleaned out the old caulking and then refilled w...
Feb 01, 2008 - 11:39 am - I agree, those SS handrails look cool!
Feb 01, 2008 - 01:13 pm - Jeff,Thanks for the reference. I hadn't looked at Hamilton for handrails - they're a great distributor though.We have a long way to go on our boat too...
Feb 01, 2008 - 03:08 pm - I'm not an expert but I think uless you are wrapping the tape over the side of the hull you are better off with a flexible sealant with or without fib...
Feb 02, 2008 - 10:23 am - I believe that Tom is correct that a good flexible sealant will probably make a better seal than epoxy in the area of the hull to deck joint.
Feb 04, 2008 - 08:01 am - Thanks Tom and Bud - makes me feel better about filling the gap with 5200 before glassing over. BTW I did grind off the gelcoat on both sides and wrap...
Feb 05, 2008 - 06:43 pm - Jeff,Did you wind up using 5/4 (1" thick) teak for your caprails? Mine have been sanded down to a little less than 1/2" through the years, so ...
Feb 06, 2008 - 02:16 pm - Aaron,Correct, I used 5/4 rough sawn lumber. 12/4 for the curved pieces at the ends. After the boards were planned I had just over 1". If the memo...
Jan 18, 2009 - 12:16 pm - I found a bunch of wood that I thought was teak, in a dumpster outside a wood finishing shop. It turned out to be Ipe. It's very dense, heavy, and loo...
Jan 19, 2009 - 06:09 am - One thing missed. IPE has lots of little splinters when it's left natural. Bluff House in Green Turtle Abaco used it for their docks and if you slide ...
Jan 31, 2009 - 08:54 pm - Hey all,I had an idea today while looking at some boats in a dry yard - why not simply fiberglass the caprail? My teak is really thin in some places, ...
Jan 31, 2009 - 11:17 pm - Hi Aaron,The hard drive on my computer officially died last weekend. So after getting a new drive, last night and today has been mostly reinstalling X...
Feb 01, 2009 - 01:14 am - Jeff,No hurry on the photos; I'm boughed down in trumpet land for the next month and won't be able to do any significant work (though I will have enou...
Jul 15, 2009 - 08:42 am - I used IPE with some success so far. Decked out my cockpit hatch and higned it on the fwd end. Still need to add a dog latch aft, but she is watertigh...
Jul 15, 2009 - 08:43 am - /image(engine hatch)
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Kerosene Tankage For Toyo Heater   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Mar 01, 2008 - 09:58 am - OK, so the PO has a 5 gal jerry can under the cabin sole with a hose running up to the Toyo cabin heater- NOT a safe option for fuel storage. I'm look...
Mar 01, 2008 - 10:47 am - I would not recommend drilling holes into the fiberglass over the top of the ballast. Chance of water getting into the ballast. Use polyurethane caulk...
Mar 01, 2008 - 07:11 pm - If your heater is mounted on the stbd main bulkhead. Mount a small tank up high outboard in the hanging locker with a deckfill. This will allow you to...
Mar 01, 2008 - 08:02 pm - heater is up high on the stbd main blkhd- must have a built in pump because it currently works very well drawing out of a 5 gal jerry can in the main ...
Mar 02, 2008 - 09:05 am - Put a small tank into the compartment outboard of the passageway lockers on the starboard side, back against the main bulkhead. That area is not norma...
Mar 02, 2008 - 09:15 am - Now there's a thought.. Thanks Bud, will run a tape and see how much space I heve there... (would that pass USCG? would need venting, right??)
Mar 02, 2008 - 07:26 pm - You would need an overboard vent. You could install a deck fill, or if you can get good access to the fill on the tank, you could fill from below.

Laying Up A Turtle   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Oct 29, 2009 - 07:29 pm - I have made a male mold and tomorrow I should be ready to lay up the cloth - but I'm unsure how to do this.I do not need to use gelcoat as the turtle ...
Oct 29, 2009 - 09:56 pm - I made a turtle several years ago. I used mold release wax on the mold. That will keep the resin from adhering.if your turtle is not able to be waxed,...
Oct 30, 2009 - 01:35 pm - Gary, You should use a layer of mat with each layer of cloth. The mat goes down first, and it holds the resin. The cloth goes over it, and you can squ...
Oct 30, 2009 - 02:20 pm - Thanks Bud - thats exactly what I needed. How many layers do you think?
Oct 31, 2009 - 11:59 am - Three layers should be more than sufficient. You may need some ridges across the turtle to keep the curve from sagging. Those should be built onto the...
Nov 01, 2009 - 08:19 am - another idea is to laminate them into the bottom, assuming there is enough room above the hatch.cut some lightweight pvc and laminate over it. It will...
Nov 03, 2009 - 08:44 am - Thanks Rich

Lazarette Hatch Cover Replacement   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Aug 02, 2009 - 09:56 pm - Bud found us the perfect replacement for our original lazarette cover. We really like the result. Mission accomplished. Photos at: http://www.captainm...
Aug 03, 2009 - 07:17 pm - Don: Looks great. Nice job..
Aug 07, 2009 - 08:34 pm - Don, I did the same thing on my boat and the new Lewmar hatch looks great (even though the rest of the boat is slow to come up to the same standard). ...
Aug 07, 2009 - 10:12 pm - Hey all,Just thought I'd throw out what we opted to do with our lazarette hatch. We didn't like the old raised fiberglass hatch with the teak siding a...
Aug 07, 2009 - 10:16 pm - All,By the way, we used modified the old fiberglass hatch. Here is what it used to look like:Best!Aaron
Aug 08, 2009 - 09:38 pm - Aaron,That is the best idea I've seen for that hatch.I couldn't convince myself to go with a hinged hatch because access could be challenging when und...
Aug 09, 2009 - 11:15 am - Aaron, If you want the ABI pulls you'd better get them now. Since ABI declared bankruptcy remaining inventory is getting a bit thin.
Aug 09, 2009 - 01:13 pm - I have not been able to get in contact with ABI at all. No response to phone calls or email.I do have another source for many of the same parts though...
Aug 09, 2009 - 04:48 pm - Aaron, Nice work on the flush hatch cover. You are very talented with the glass. I am as well....beer glass that is!Tom, The locks were NOT removed an...
Aug 13, 2009 - 02:31 am - A flush lazarette hatch is one of the nice things about the W28. Not the best picture, but I think you can sort of see it.George
Aug 13, 2009 - 08:46 am - The W32's made from the last set of molds, about #625 and later, also had a flush lazarette hatch like the one on the W28. They also have a flush hatc...
Aug 13, 2009 - 06:03 pm - There are seats in the cockpit?????
Aug 13, 2009 - 10:14 pm - What is it that you put your ass on when you steer the boat if it is not a seat.

LEAKING Ice Box   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

May 27, 2008 - 05:32 pm - I ran a hose in there to clean it (it was black) and ended up standing in water. After leaving the boat it occured to me that my ice box does not leak...
May 28, 2008 - 06:24 am - Oops, I mean what size hose, not hole. (:
May 28, 2008 - 07:55 pm - Balance:I have struggled with the drain hose also but don't recall the ID -- but I believe that 1/2" would be close. Reaching the drain nipple on ...
Jun 03, 2008 - 10:12 am - I've discovered that it drains directly to bilge, no hose. It continues to baffle me how each W32 is different. So the leak must be coming from the bo...

Leaking Scuppers   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Nov 22, 2005 - 04:01 pm - Just thought you all should know that the stock spun brass scupper on the 32ft. boats tends to leak. I contacted Bud about this and he sent me a 16...

Leaks   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Oct 01, 2009 - 05:01 am - Hi All,I've got water coming in from somewhere and it pools in the lockers near and behind the settee and the dining table.What are the usual suspects...
Oct 01, 2009 - 09:16 am - Kenny, The first cuplrits to check are the hawse pipes, deck scuppers, and stanchions. Rare to have a chainplate leak.
Oct 01, 2009 - 03:26 pm - We had the same issue and it ended after we replaced the scuppers and reworked the hawse pipes. Photos and details are on the blog.http://www.captainm...
Oct 01, 2009 - 09:39 pm - Ah yes! By the look of things the hawse pipes and/or stanchions look like they just might be causing the problem. But how do I "check"? Where ...
Oct 02, 2009 - 10:03 am - Probably read what Don and Lana did Kenny - rebed
Oct 02, 2009 - 10:41 am - Take the parts off, clean the mating surfaces, apply fresh caulking, and put the fittings back.EASY
Oct 02, 2009 - 07:59 pm - Alright, this isn't as bad as I thought (knock on wood), although Don and Lana's articles make it look pretty involved. Maybe that's just to non-DIY e...
Oct 02, 2009 - 08:14 pm - What about the stanchions? Surely I'm not meant to remove and re-caulk the bolts.???
Oct 02, 2009 - 08:53 pm - Kenny,I suspect that if you remove a stanchion and take a look in the recess around the caprail you may find an opening there that will admit water. I...
Oct 03, 2009 - 01:38 am - Ralph,Thanks. I'll have a look.Kenny
Oct 03, 2009 - 01:45 am - On closer examination it looks like the goop between the caprail and the top of the gunwale, both inboard and outboard, was applied sometime during th...
Oct 03, 2009 - 09:18 am - The caprail is generally bedded onto the bulwarks and if the bedding compound has deteriorated it requires removal and rebedding the caprail. This is ...
Oct 03, 2009 - 12:57 pm - Another experience, after a year in the yard:Removing, cleaning, recoating with special epoxy primer the through bolts on the stanchions, and reinstal...
Oct 03, 2009 - 08:58 pm - Don't be too quick to dismiss the stanchion thru-bolts as a source of leaks. We found leakage around the bolts on the most forward stanchion on port s...
Oct 05, 2009 - 07:02 am - A note on stanchion fastening. We replaced 4 stanchions this year on Namida. As others can confirm, it can be a real trial to reach the nuts to remove...
Oct 05, 2009 - 10:17 am - Just a note. I have been recommending using 3/8" aluminum plate as a backing, because it is easy to cut, drill, and tap to make threads in it. Use...
Oct 05, 2009 - 08:17 pm - Bud,Did not know you had nice lifelines. I'll be in touch.

LeFiell Mast With Internal Halyards?   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Mar 24, 2008 - 04:05 pm - Anybody have one of these with internal halyards? Pro and cons of internal vs external?Thanks for any feedback
Mar 24, 2008 - 06:24 pm - Gary:I have a 2 year old LeFiell mast with external halyards and if you are getting ready to order -- I wish I NOT had the stay sail wench pad install...
Mar 24, 2008 - 06:51 pm - Ahoy Gary,Last week, in Coos Bay, Oregon, I made 3 trips to the top of a 65' mast for the purpose of restringing a broken internal halyard (not a West...
Mar 24, 2008 - 08:05 pm - Thanks Dave and Jay.Question: With the cutaway front of the mast for the tabernacle base, will it be easy to fish a new internal halyard?Does the leec...
Mar 25, 2008 - 12:13 am - We've been sailing a Soling for awhile and had to rerun (fish) a new internal main halyard last summer when the old one parted at the joint between th...
Mar 25, 2008 - 05:56 pm - Gary:Leech - no it does not catch with the old or current mast. I also shorted the new staysail boom by 6" so it clears the forward lowers at all ...

Leveling Hull To Water Line   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jun 13, 2008 - 11:25 pm - My wife and I bought a unfinished Westsail 32 hull kit last winter. It will be delivered to us next week. The hull was built in 76 and when I say hull...
Jun 14, 2008 - 12:27 pm - I used a water level. Basically set it up with a clear plastic hose and water in it. Bud can help with where to measure from. He knows how far up the ...
Jun 15, 2008 - 04:09 pm - "Settle?" Isn't that a lot like "sink?"

Looking For Round Hawse Pipe Fittings And 8' Opening ABI Portlights   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Aug 31, 2009 - 10:41 pm - Anyone have a source for these parts?Thanks
Sep 01, 2009 - 11:42 am - I will be getting a shipment of the round hawse pipes in soon from another source since ABI is out of business. I might also be able to find an 8"...
Sep 16, 2009 - 06:24 pm - I have some of the round bronze hawse pipes in stock now. I also have a source for round bronze portlights, as well as a number of other parts that we...
Sep 16, 2009 - 08:45 pm - Bud - can you post a picture of both please?
Sep 17, 2009 - 11:13 am - just wondering where y'all are planning to put an 8 foot portlight
Sep 17, 2009 - 12:38 pm - Here is the hawse pipe.
Sep 17, 2009 - 12:40 pm - Here is the portlight.
Sep 17, 2009 - 06:58 pm - Eight foot portlight? Posting says 8".
Sep 17, 2009 - 08:34 pm - I always thought 8' was 8 feet and 8" was 8 inches (see title) It was just a joke sorry It would be kind of neat to use as a doorway to a patio wo...
Sep 17, 2009 - 08:52 pm - Cheers Bud!How big is the lake your boat is on Edward?You could go glass bottom with an 8 footer
Sep 17, 2009 - 10:13 pm - Nah, I think they only put those on multihulls. Lots of folks say Westsails look like turtles but one things for sure, they don't turn turtle

Main Salon Layout   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Apr 16, 2007 - 08:17 pm - Has anyone modified the layout of their main salon or plan on doing so? For quite some time I have been thinking of modifying the layout on the port s...
Apr 23, 2007 - 09:24 pm - The previous owners of our boat straightened the back rest of the settee. plus, they removed the dinette in place of an folding, icebox mounted table ...
Apr 24, 2007 - 03:49 am - Hi Anthony, I have just changed my port side settee to a "U" shape settee. I think the choice of interior setup is totally individual. I'm on ...
Apr 24, 2007 - 07:53 am - Hi Anthony,I just converted my port side settee area. It had a very tight sea birth under the deck. I tried to sleep there once but it was a coffin. W...
May 28, 2007 - 12:58 am - Thanks everyone,Just got back from Rio Dulce where I toured the inside of a couple of W32's, one of which had a dinette set up. I tend to like the din...
May 28, 2007 - 07:15 am - Tony, take a look on Buds site at the w32 for sale called curvaceous. It has the U shaped modification which I also now done. I like it as it gives me...
Jun 13, 2007 - 05:58 pm - There is 30'ish ft Hans Christian up the dock from me with an interior layout I'd love to have.The layout is completely different and it may be an opt...
Jun 14, 2007 - 08:04 am - The Hans Christians have a great interior. And I'm also a huge fan of the pullman berth. However, the head is located in the bow. The plus is that you...

Manual Windlass Overhaul   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Oct 02, 2006 - 05:40 pm - I just obtained one of the venerable Simpson-Lawrence 555 manual windlasses with a package of unopened spare seals and plan to overhaul it this winter...
Oct 02, 2006 - 06:18 pm - I have one of those antiques, too. I'd be interested in hearing how your overhaul goes, since I'll be doing it in the next year or so. I have the orig...
Oct 02, 2006 - 06:22 pm - Helped a friend in PR do this. You need to remove the windlass to do this. The only way is to open it up from the botom. We added a grease nipple on t...
Oct 03, 2006 - 06:55 pm - Terry,I have a copy of the exploded diagram that I downloaded from the web but the owner's manual would be wonderful if it gives any disassembly/reass...
Oct 26, 2006 - 05:10 pm - I too would love to see a copy of the manuel- as I'm sure an overhaul on said windlass is in Orion's near future!
Nov 01, 2006 - 07:46 pm - Brian, I now have both the owners manual and the parts manual. Send me your mailing address and I'll send you copies of everything I have.
May 22, 2008 - 12:03 am - Are you speaking of the "green" antique ones?! ;-) We too need to re-do ours.Also, has anyone replaced the two giant Sampson posts yet? Ours a...
May 22, 2008 - 04:31 pm - Shan, I pulled my Sampson posts (rot at the deck level) and couldn't find fir anywhere near me but picked up a big piece of teak and some bronze. I'm ...
May 23, 2008 - 09:22 am - http://www.fujiyachts.net/manuals/manuals_winch.htmlTry this website
May 24, 2008 - 02:17 am - Thanks for the info Tom, now when you mean caps, you mean "caps", as in...a cap. I am envisioning a tight, bronze cap, that is like a "hat...
May 24, 2008 - 07:15 am - Shan, it's not a "cap" that encloses the top of the post, but rather a machined plate - chamfered edges at 45 degrees - that screws onto the t...
May 25, 2008 - 01:44 am - Tom, thanks, I figured it was more like a lid, ha ha! It's a good idea, and I'll bet will look great, and prevent drying out, and of course the epoxy ...
May 30, 2008 - 10:16 pm - I rebuilt my SL 555 a couple of years ago, or rather got a machinist friend to do so. The manual recommends Mytilus A grease, which is not available a...
Aug 29, 2008 - 11:33 am - I'm in the process of rebuilding ours - where did you rebuilders get parts?Thanks in advance....and if anyone has a spare handle I'll buy it if you wa...

Marine Growth On Thru-hull's   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

May 09, 2005 - 08:46 pm - HI:After 14 months in the water since a fresh coat of bottom paint, I pulled my WS 32 into the yard for a survey and other work below the water line w...

Mariner Roller Furler   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jun 15, 2008 - 06:21 pm - I have two rather old Mariner roller furlers (no foils so not meant for reefing) on the headsail and stays'l. They both furl OK but the spool on one h...
Jun 26, 2008 - 06:27 am - Lack of an opening for lubricating probably means grease packed steel bearings.Proper roller reefing gear is really not very expensive, with the new H...
Apr 16, 2009 - 09:36 pm - In not interested in roller reefing. I'm interested in roller furling and would prefer to reef in the traditional way with reef points. I managed to f...

Marinetics Circuit Breakers Etc   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jan 12, 2007 - 05:47 pm - I have the original marinetics circuit breakers and panel. I assume they are out of business, since there website doesn't exist and phone number is ou...
Jan 13, 2007 - 12:53 am - Try cmsquick.com. They sell the same breakers as the marine stores for about half the price. They fit in my old marinetics panel.
Jan 13, 2007 - 08:49 pm - Blue sea and anchor both market breakers that will fit.

Mast - Powder Coating VS Sprayed Finishes   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Feb 16, 2005 - 04:50 pm - HI:I am considering having the mast and boom's powder coated by a local firm.Seems for about $400 they will bead blast and powder coat the main boom, ...
Feb 16, 2005 - 06:59 pm - Sounds like a deal to me. We just painted ours with Sterling and the materials came to @ $800. Sterling is the best paint I've ever used. I used to bo...
Feb 17, 2005 - 07:25 am - Sounds like a good deal to me too. I too would opt for powdercoating vs paint any day.I'm no powder-coating expert but I've had a number of things pow...
Feb 17, 2005 - 09:07 am - Thanks for all the replies and ideas. I will be removing all items from the mast and booms B4 treatment. They do have a 40' oven to bake the mast in. ...
Feb 17, 2005 - 11:41 am - I found using an air impact driver to remove the screws was about 10x's faster than by hand. The few that broke would have anyway.
Feb 17, 2005 - 05:24 pm - Hi Jay, I'm in the process of having my mast resprayed. It is apparent that it was never acid etched and it has a lot of bubbling. This is only superf...
Feb 17, 2005 - 06:01 pm - Hi Rob / Jim:Did you also have trouble loosening the bolt holding the running back stays? The bolt is frozen in the sleeve on my boat.How are you plan...
Feb 17, 2005 - 08:57 pm - RE: Pin in tabernacle. When I had a similar situation on our 32 years ago I took it in to a metal shop and had them drill about a 1/4" hole all th...
Feb 17, 2005 - 11:50 pm - Ahoy Jay, I once plugged all the holes from mast steps with SS truss headed machine screws. These screws have a larger, but flatter, head. The mast wa...
Feb 18, 2005 - 07:41 am - My tabernacle pin is also seized. According to the PO of my boat when he was replacing the mast wiring the boatyard just ended up removing the entire ...
Feb 18, 2005 - 08:21 am - Mike,if you drill across the full length hole you would have passages for the grease to travel outwards towards the tube.
Feb 22, 2005 - 07:43 am - MikeI would rethink lowering your mast to break loose the pin. You might damage the mast, tabernacle and or cabin top. I removed my mast last year and...

Mast Compression Post Repair And Replacement   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Aug 11, 2009 - 06:46 am - We just completed this project and photos are available on the blog if you have an interest.http://www.captainmontgomery.com/2009/08/mast-compression-...
Aug 11, 2009 - 07:16 pm - Looks nice - and thanks for the photo's.
Aug 12, 2009 - 05:08 pm - Jay,Thanks for the feedback. I hope it helps. You are always welcome to post comments on the blog as well.Don and Lana
Aug 22, 2009 - 12:30 am - Don,Thanks for the heads up. The misaligned barrel lock was the tipoff to look closer, so when the forward water tank went dry this morning I got to w...
Aug 23, 2009 - 05:15 pm - Yeap Scott this is a pretty quick project compared to some of the others. Glad it worked out for you.Don

Mast Lowering   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jul 25, 2009 - 09:14 am - I'm lowering the mast on my W28 today following Bud's procedure in the manual and as shown on the Lake Mead video. Wish me luck.-Steve
Jul 25, 2009 - 09:16 am - Well, I certainly hope the Lowering goes better than the spelling in the subject line went. Mast Powering?
Jul 26, 2009 - 01:11 am - It went like clockwork. Exactly like it's shown in the DVD. Slow, controlled, not scary. Thanks, Bud.-Steve
Jul 29, 2009 - 11:38 pm - Steve,Glad the lowering went well.Raising the mast works fine, too. Just have to be careful that shrouds or halyards don't catch on something. If winc...
Jul 30, 2009 - 09:42 am - Thanks, George. Plan on raising the mast this evening.-Steve
Jul 31, 2009 - 09:55 am - As George predicted, mast raising went just fine. That's one more I can tick off of my of my "things-not-to-be-scared-to-do" list.
Dec 16, 2009 - 10:24 pm - Hey all,We dropped the mast on our W32 this afternoon. Took about two hours all said and done, and we did it with two people. Three would have been be...
Dec 16, 2009 - 10:32 pm - Oh yeah, here is a photo:One thing is for sure - it's LOADS easier to do masthead work this way!

Mast Paint   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Mar 08, 2008 - 11:31 pm - My W32 has mast and booms painted an awful color that I would like very much to remove.Can I just sand off the paint and leave the bare aluminum or do...
Mar 09, 2008 - 09:26 am - That's a great price. We sandblasted ours, etched, primed and repainted and put everything back. What a lot of work. If you sand off and leave bare it...
Mar 15, 2008 - 02:46 am - I recently did the mast, boom, and spreaders of my W28. I used a house scraper to remove most of the paint. The hardest part was using the tip of a sm...
Mar 15, 2008 - 07:34 am - As George said, "Most of the work is in the prep". So treat yourself fair and get the best paint that will last the longest. If you repaint th...
Apr 14, 2008 - 08:05 pm - George -What color is that?Thanks
Apr 24, 2008 - 02:30 am - Gary,The color is Pettit 3175 White. I wish I had bought 3108 Off-White, but I am not going to redo it.George
Apr 24, 2008 - 08:08 am - Thanks for that George. Is it too bright?
Apr 27, 2008 - 03:36 pm - Not too bright, just whiter than the deck, as you can see in the last photo with the tabernacle. My deck and hull are the original gelcoat. Trying to ...
Jan 22, 2010 - 07:34 am - There is old, chalky white paint on the stick of my W32. The only real objection I have to it is that it has the white powdery residue that will get o...
Jan 23, 2010 - 06:47 pm - I don't think Ray Leonard used enamel on the mast. I think it was Awlgrip. I would not be a fan of painting the mast while up. Would be really diffic...

Mast Removal - Tabernacle Pin Problems   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Feb 19, 2005 - 07:16 am - I recently removed my mast and it appears there is a design fault with many of the Westsails. The fault which I refer to is the use of a stainless ste...
Feb 19, 2005 - 07:54 am - Check out Buds Westsail Service manual. He discusses what to do to when you find the pin/tube is frozen.I don't know if I'd (personally) take any diam...
Feb 20, 2005 - 06:24 pm - Rob: Thanks for the photo's of the mast removal-- I suspect that I'll have the same issues when I remove my mast.On my boat, the thru hulls are of the...
Feb 23, 2005 - 01:56 am - Thanks for the reply post Jay. That's something I will need to consider and will take a look at my through hull valves. I know they were greased on th...
Feb 24, 2005 - 07:27 am - Another data point:In 2000, I had the stick lying sideways. I too, had to remove the tabernacle and bust out the pin and tube. When the mast went back...
Feb 24, 2005 - 10:38 am - Some types of Never Sieze products will actually make the problem worst between dissimilar metals. Tuff Gel seems to work better with stainless to alu...
Feb 25, 2005 - 06:23 pm - Another data point:In 1999, I had the stick lying sideways. I too, had to remove the tabernacle and bust out the pin and tube. When the mast went back...
Mar 08, 2005 - 05:50 am - Not sure if the tube is frozen that's a good idea. Reminds me of a glass jar filled with water and left in the freezer.
Mar 09, 2005 - 02:02 pm - As for the frozen; Just think of it this way, as the oxidation continues it swells, as it swells it displaces all the air and water, as this happens t...
Apr 11, 2005 - 11:13 pm - We had this frozen mast pin problem when we took down Chaika's mast in San Carlos, Mexico to have her trucked back home in July 2003. There was anothe...
Aug 15, 2008 - 03:29 pm - Anybody tried using tefgel here?
Aug 15, 2008 - 11:46 pm - I recently restepped the mast on our 32 with a new spreader tube and stainless pin. Drilled and inserted grease nipple before reassembly and coated al...

Mast Screw Holes   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Dec 10, 2008 - 12:52 pm - One of my many projects is to remove a non-functional Furuno radome from my mast. It interferes with the leach of the staysail, and besides, it's ugly...
Dec 10, 2008 - 01:02 pm - Nothing might be a good option?or dab of paint on a Qtip?else if they line up to add a lazy jack system (top shive to take the place of current holes)...
Dec 10, 2008 - 01:54 pm - Norm,I just would hate to see all those holes. I hadn't considered the lazy jack issue, though. I guess I could use some of the holes for that.
Dec 10, 2008 - 03:08 pm - Frank,I've heard of people using thickened epoxy to fill them, then paint over it. I bet JB Weld would work, too.I suggest asking on the Brian Toss fo...
Dec 10, 2008 - 04:48 pm - Frank,I've done this many times on several different boats. My favorite method is to use the aluminum pop rivets. I dab a bit of paint on them and the...
Dec 10, 2008 - 04:58 pm - Yes, and I had another problem with the removed radar on my W32. The PO removed the radar. When I hit a good headwind, some orange, goopey substance (...
Dec 10, 2008 - 05:09 pm - Randy,Sounds like PB blaster! That stuff can stain glass!Cheers,Aaron N.
Dec 10, 2008 - 07:16 pm - You could also use Marine-tex epoxy putty to seal up the holes.
Dec 11, 2008 - 02:22 pm - Frank:How many holes? Should have been only 4 to 6 total.If you have to do it, Buds solution is the best. I hate to say it but he is correct 99% of th...
Dec 11, 2008 - 07:35 pm - Norm:I have not been out to the boat since your post, and frankly I do not remember how many screws there are, but I am thinking you are right about t...
Dec 12, 2008 - 11:53 pm - Ahoy Frank,Another, easier solution, is to simply plug the holes with phillips, truss headed, machine screws of the same size as the screw holes. Then...

Mast Stand   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Aug 03, 2004 - 06:41 pm - My "new" boat is coming home next week to begin her reincarnation. I need to devise a storage method for the mast. Does anyone have any sugges...
Aug 04, 2004 - 09:09 am - I am using three saw horses to support mine. So far it works well.

Mast Step   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Apr 25, 2009 - 08:46 pm - Hello all, Last night I noticed that my (original?) mast step/base is in very poor condition. I will not be able to step mast without replacing it. Do...
Apr 25, 2009 - 08:56 pm - If it is a LeFiell mast they are still in business
Apr 26, 2009 - 10:45 am - I assume you are refering to the tabernacle base. I wasn't on hand when the yard where my boat was located unstepped the mast for me. I sent them Bud'...
Apr 26, 2009 - 10:58 am - Tom, I have your tabernacle base made up and will ship it with the other parts you have on order. I did let RJ know that I had another one available.
Apr 26, 2009 - 12:09 pm - Hello to all, Bud did tell me he has a tabernacle base available. To convert my fixed mast. I have a large pre-launch work list already and am not qui...
Apr 26, 2009 - 02:42 pm - RJ - do you have any pictures of the mast? We may be able to idetify it if you post a pic or two.The Lefiell mast could also be ordered with a regular...
Apr 26, 2009 - 06:38 pm - RJ, The best thing to do is to make a tracing of the bottom of the mast, both inside and outside, and send it to me. Since your boat was one of the fi...
Apr 26, 2009 - 09:32 pm - Hello Gary, Charlotte and Bud,In the next day or two I take a few pictures to post (and send to Gary and Charlotte) and I will trace the mast base and...
Apr 27, 2009 - 09:43 am - RJ, I noted on a survey I did on your boat in 2000 for a previous buyer that was boom was replaced at that time with one from Metalmast.
Jun 01, 2009 - 09:07 pm - Hello everyone, I apologize for the tardy responce. Spring is very hectic. I removed the mast step and brought it to a friend of mine who does custom ...

Mastmate   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Oct 26, 2006 - 11:34 pm - Has anyone had any experience with a product called Mastmate? It's a device for climbing to the top of the mast for repair. I checked out the web site...
Oct 27, 2006 - 10:21 pm - Terry,I've used a mastmate before, but do not own one. I really like it, though the rungs necessitate good shoes for long masthead extravaganzas. I'd ...
Nov 17, 2006 - 01:52 am - I have a set. Love it. I can go up my stick with out assistance. I can be up the mast in seconds by my own power and don't have to rely on the guy on ...

Mattresses   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jan 20, 2008 - 01:06 pm - Hi,this is my first post as a Westsail owner - very exciting!We're Brits who have just bought a 42 in Mexico and intend to refurbish her out there. Sh...

Metal Cleaner   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jan 16, 2005 - 11:27 pm - Here's an inexpensive metal cleaner that is a little easier to work with than diluted muriatic (i.e., hydrochloric) acid: "Liquid Plumber". My...
Jan 17, 2005 - 06:08 am - Excellent tip EdHere's another for a general cleaner for plastic, computer screens (inc lcd), instruments, radios, wiping down woodword prior to repai...

Mounting Primary Winch Brackets   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

May 09, 2008 - 04:18 pm - I hope to actually contribute to this site sometime, but for the meantime, another question.Can anyone confirm whether these brackets (primary winch b...
May 09, 2008 - 04:48 pm - Mine are through the entire bulwarks but my boat was owner finished.
May 09, 2008 - 05:28 pm - Mike,The fiberglass is only about 1/4" thick by my winch brackets. They're bolted through both sides. If they're backed well, it's probably fine t...
May 09, 2008 - 05:32 pm - Mike they should be through bolted.Make sure you add something into the space between.I used two std.boards wrapped in epoxy and glass. dry fit first ...
May 09, 2008 - 06:34 pm - Gents:Thanks. That makes sense. No way I am going to remove those tanks! A spacer sounds like a good idea to strengthen it up. Norm, std boards? I mus...

My New To Me W32   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Apr 08, 2008 - 11:19 am - Greetings.I need lots of advice.I have just agreed to buy a W32. She is on a dock with a cover and I have till the end of the month to get her ready t...
Apr 08, 2008 - 02:30 pm - congrats and welcome! many of us do local day-sailing and coastal cruising w/o the cockpit sole being bolted down...i'm trying to decide on an option ...
Apr 08, 2008 - 03:42 pm - Note to self: Do not order mast with internal halyards
Apr 08, 2008 - 03:43 pm - Ooops - sorry, somehow this ended up in the wrong thread
Apr 08, 2008 - 05:39 pm - Nanette,Congrats on the new boat!The short answer is, you probably don't need to do any of those things if you're just going for a daysail. The caprai...
Apr 08, 2008 - 08:43 pm - Nanette - congratulations! I agree with Aaron, none of the things you listed need to be done for a relatively short day sail up or down the coast. I m...
Apr 09, 2008 - 07:28 pm - Thank you for the voices of reason. You are absolutely right. And Coleen, 1. yes, uninstalled 2 and 3, will do.The PO has left the sole unbolted for y...
Apr 10, 2008 - 07:19 am - the water is probably not coming in the holes only, but also up under the lip of the floor itself. Probably some weather strip needs to be there.But n...
Apr 10, 2008 - 07:21 am - And, the appropriate size and make up for the weather strip?(thanks again)
Apr 10, 2008 - 04:52 pm - I went to home depot and bought the heftiest they had and used parallel strips of it. It lasted about a year until it came unglued.This and some caulk...
Apr 14, 2008 - 06:29 am - What a weekend bonding with new boat. How does one put up pictures here?
Apr 14, 2008 - 06:56 am - One quick question. The boat is at a dock right now. I have a dog (yellow lab - 65 lbs.) I mentioned to the owner that it looks like it will be a bear...
Apr 14, 2008 - 09:08 am - Nanette,I believe all boats need to have a boarding ladder easily accessible. We have a stainless ladder with sockets installed outboard of the starbo...
Apr 14, 2008 - 04:14 pm - Here's what we've done. Our prior more elderly 50+ lb'er boat dog and our current 50 lb young lab mix (boat dog in training) have both been lifted...
Apr 15, 2008 - 08:32 am - Aaron wrote: "...my parents who are too laden with wisdom to be so nimble."Very well put Aaron. Your parents must be very proud to have raised...
Apr 15, 2008 - 04:05 pm - Hi Nanette,I agree with all said above. On the cockpit sole, one idea I've heard is that you attach an eyelet to the underside of the cockpit hatch, a...

Name Painted Or Vinyl   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Dec 05, 2005 - 01:20 pm - Most of the (in fact all) other users on another board said Vinyl should be used for the name and hailing port. But, with our curvey stern I'm wonderi...
Dec 05, 2005 - 09:30 pm - Hi Dave,We have just had the vinyl thing done for Daemon, and she looks fine. We had her name in the stripey bit (white on red) and the hailing port o...
Dec 07, 2005 - 09:57 pm - Yeah, when I plastered the new lettering on Nereus, I went a little over board w/ size - making the curvey thing a little bit of a problem. The first ...

Need Help With Keeping The Tabernacle Pin From Siezing   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jan 27, 2006 - 06:05 pm - In the past I have liberally coated it with anti-sieze and always have gotten it apart with a brass mallet. This time was more difficult.I have heard ...
Jan 28, 2006 - 10:07 am - Just revisited the old posts on this subject. I guess I will have to drill like dave did.rich
Jan 28, 2006 - 06:08 pm - I talked to Lafeil the manufacturers of the mast and they suggested a product called Tefgel for antiseizing on the tabernacle pin.
Jan 28, 2006 - 07:41 pm - That is what I have used in the past.ThanksRich
Feb 21, 2006 - 06:43 pm - After I drilled the hole and added the grease nipple never had the problem again. I used it often when we transitted Lake Okeechobee.

New Companionway Hatch   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Mar 28, 2006 - 10:01 am - just finished the new hatch. Honey Teak on the frame and oil on the deck boards. I used the west system method with no fasteners and only 1/4" boa...
Mar 28, 2006 - 06:42 pm - Looks Great!Did you caulk the seams or use epoxy thickened with graphite?
Mar 28, 2006 - 11:09 pm - epoxy/graphite. I hope it holds up, but I think it will.

New Custom Bow Pulpit   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Nov 05, 2008 - 11:28 pm - We just put a custom two rail bow pulpit on our W32 that ends at midship. You can check out the photos at http://captainmontgomery.blogspot.com/ if yo...
Nov 06, 2008 - 12:14 am - WOW! that is very cool!!! who did it? Andrea
Nov 13, 2008 - 04:43 pm - The pulpit was built by Suncoast Specialties in St Petersburg, FL

New Fuel Tank Straps   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Aug 24, 2008 - 02:11 pm - I am installing a new (Bud's) fuel tank, port side on a W32. There has never been a fuel tank in this location on this boat. I noticed that the upper ...
Aug 24, 2008 - 03:33 pm - Don,I don't remember anything in their manual about hiding it. When we did our 32 I used a carrage bolt position approx 1 1/2" above the height as...
Aug 24, 2008 - 04:34 pm - Dave, I appreciate your comments and have a couple more questions. Re: the carriage bolt through the hull. Did you grind a square edged on the hole to...
Aug 25, 2008 - 05:58 am - Don,I didn't cut anything out in the hull. Simply held the carriage bolt till is started to pull into the hull and then the hull kept it from rotating...
Aug 25, 2008 - 10:04 am - Don,We used 1"x1/8" aluminum straps for our tanks. Works well, easy to work with, inexpensive.Cheers!Aaron N.
Aug 26, 2008 - 08:12 pm - If you drill a 3/8" hole for the carriage bolt, you can use a small square file to make notches on four corners for the carriage bolt to fit. Use ...
Aug 26, 2008 - 09:07 pm - Any thoughts on glassing a stout board to the hull with a bolt sticking through it. Potential benifits are......spread the load and no additional hole...
Aug 27, 2008 - 01:18 pm - If you do a good enough fiberglassing job, that should work. However, if not, the pitching and rolling of the boat in a seaway may break loose the bon...
Aug 27, 2008 - 05:02 pm - I agree with you Bud. Big concern on a tank breaking loose. However, I also have concerns over point loading the hull with a bolt hole and drilling mo...
Aug 27, 2008 - 09:21 pm - Don,I think you're making a mistake in doing that. Bonded epoxy fiberglass with no mechanical means of fastening (lip, screws, etc) is brittle and not...
Aug 28, 2008 - 07:28 am - if you have an engine in the boat, it is bonded to the hull essentially. The beds are bonded to the hull.a good bond will work.
Aug 28, 2008 - 08:11 am - Good convo here - i really enjoy seeing all the varied opinions. just proves the fact that all of us are smatter than any of us.Rich, I have very simi...
Aug 28, 2008 - 09:57 am - My boat came with blocks of wood glassed to the hull with a bolt countersunk from the back side. They seamed very sturdy, however, I removed these whe...
Aug 28, 2008 - 09:31 pm - All,The thing is, the engine pan and all were bonded while the hull was in its curing stages, so the bond is likely somewhat chemical in addition to s...
Aug 29, 2008 - 11:37 am - Aaron,No disagreement that a primary bond is better than a secondary bond. I'm not familiar with the cure rates of polyester but with the epoxy I use ...
Sep 21, 2008 - 06:29 pm - OK Dave, After talking to you this weekend I am going to just drill the holes in the hull and use carriage bolts. Now I have another question. Does an...

New Genoa Tracks   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jun 01, 2009 - 08:20 pm - I'm about to install new bronze T tracks. They are about a foot shorter than the old ones. Has anyone done this? I'm wondering what your method was in...
Jun 01, 2009 - 09:55 pm - Look under In The Yard: IPE For Exterior Wood. The subject wasn't bending the genoa track but that is what I was doing at the time that I took the pic...
Jun 02, 2009 - 10:43 am - Jeff, thank you, that's a grand idea!As for the friend...isn't the whole point of drilling and tapping that you can put the nuts on yourself, after th...
Jun 02, 2009 - 01:51 pm - What jeff said. I would also add that you start with the end that has the MOST bend, as, bending the track gets harder the shorter the lever arm gets ...
Jun 02, 2009 - 04:29 pm - I followed Buds advice and drilled/tapped my aluminum track, bed down with polysulphide. I was able to bend most of it by hand, and made up a jig to g...
Jun 02, 2009 - 04:54 pm - I'm fairly certain I used 3M's 4000UV. On occasion I have used polysulfide so it could have been either.I did install the track just prior to everyone...
Jun 02, 2009 - 06:07 pm - Check Page C-4 of my Westsail Service Manual for an easy method of installing a genoa track. If you properly tap the holes, you should not need nuts o...

New Head   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Sep 18, 2007 - 09:59 am - I'm planning to replace the old head on Inalla -- any suggestions for a good, reliable brand to buy? I don't want to spend a fortune (e.g., Skipper) b...
Sep 19, 2007 - 06:09 am - Get the Blakes Lavac simple reliable not cheap but the best on the market
Sep 19, 2007 - 08:05 am - I hope Ed & Susan are right because that's what I'm replacing my W-C head with..a Lavac. Just read too much good about them to pick anything else....
Sep 19, 2007 - 03:14 pm - I think I am going to install one this year also.rich
Sep 19, 2007 - 05:14 pm - using 3 y-valves you can plumb so you can pump directly overboard, pump your holding tank overboard,pump to the holding tank or use a pump out station...
Sep 19, 2007 - 09:22 pm - Where going to replace ours in the spring with an Airhead composting toilet. I won't get into the pros and cons, but it is an option.In our case we'll...
Sep 30, 2007 - 08:08 pm - I installed an Airhead a couple of years ago. My wife and I have spent a winter cruising the BVI/Bahamas and a summer of wandering around the Chesapea...

New Head   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Mar 11, 2007 - 10:21 pm - No, not that one, the one on the boat! Any suggestions for a good replacement for an old Groco? I might try a rebuild, but it might just be easier in ...
Mar 13, 2007 - 04:28 am - Terry, take a look at the LaVac head. It uses a large diaphragm pump and gaskets on the lid to suck the bowl clean while pulling in fresh seawater. We...
Apr 12, 2007 - 08:56 pm - Jeff and Wendy,I would like to convert an electric Jabsco head in my W28 to a Lavac-style and have done a prelimary test with a bilge pump. The only p...
Jan 30, 2008 - 09:25 am - I have a Groco manual head that needs to be either rebuilt or replaced -- have to pump like hell to get water to enter the bowl to flush. I have a reb...
Jan 30, 2008 - 11:40 am - I have a Skipper head for sale - it works well and I have a full rebuild kit (plus another half), as well as a Lavac gulper. We're going to put an air...
Mar 09, 2008 - 04:17 pm - Well, I rebuilt the head this weekend, and the only hard part is getting the pump assembly off to work on and then reinstalling it. Not nearly as bad ...
Mar 09, 2008 - 08:42 pm - Terry,That's a crappy thing to do.Happy tossing,Aaron N.

New Head Odor Issue   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Sep 03, 2009 - 08:27 pm - We recently replaced our tubing due to an occlusion in one of the flexible hoses for the marine head. The old hose was trident black rubber. We replac...
Sep 03, 2009 - 10:51 pm - Don,Replacing with quality hose is the only way to stop the odor all together. The pretty white stuff is only good if you can flush ALL of the waste f...
Sep 03, 2009 - 11:42 pm - The white sanitation hose on my boat (at least several years old) completely blocked odors, as far as I could tell. I kept thinking, why don't a I sme...
Sep 04, 2009 - 04:41 pm - There are two ways to have an odorless head:1. After using the boat close the intake, flush a gallon of fresh water through the hoses, add white wine ...
Sep 04, 2009 - 06:33 pm - Thanks for all the great feedback.

New Rudder For 32   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

May 15, 2009 - 07:19 am - Has anyone any info on designing a new rudderfor the W32?
May 15, 2009 - 01:16 pm - Mr Smith:you might want to check out the following threads.http://www.westsail.org/discus/messages/11/201.html" id="post_1240090660orhttp://www.westsa...
May 15, 2009 - 01:32 pm - PS I have one issue doing to molding here in Hawaii.Dry days for the boat are bill at 103.00/day = I hate (can't afford) to have her out for very long...
May 15, 2009 - 07:26 pm - If you are going to build just a few new rudders, it makes more sense to use high density foam, cut it to shape and taper it, then cover it with a few...
May 15, 2009 - 07:28 pm - I guess I am also having trouble in posting pictures. I will try it again.
May 16, 2009 - 07:29 am - Norm,My rudder is laying across 2 saw horses so I can take whatever measurements you need. I don't have your engineering background, however, so detai...
May 16, 2009 - 11:03 pm - My rudder is laying across two saw horses as well. This time I drilled a bunch of holes in both sides to try and dry it.I cover it with a sheet of pla...
May 17, 2009 - 08:09 am - Jeff:Maybe a cotton string stuffed into every hole with a length hanging out/down will help it dry faster - the moisture will wick out?Jay
May 17, 2009 - 11:45 am - Jay,Thanks for the idea. I'll see what I can find and give that a try. Not today though it's raining again. Last year I couldn't get out of the lake b...
May 17, 2009 - 12:47 pm - Jeff: The wicking depends on capulary (sp) action so getting the wick material stuffed into the holes where it contacts the intereior is important. Th...
May 18, 2009 - 01:00 pm - I've got the same waterlogged rudder issue. The rudder had a crack along the bottom edge when I got the boat, probably due to water freezing and expan...
May 18, 2009 - 02:27 pm - Tom and Jeff thanks for the offer:SO here goes the detailed measurement description.You need a straight edged angle iron (L) 8' + long (or equival...
May 19, 2009 - 05:08 am - Jeff,You might want to review the early posts Alex made on projectbluesphere.com about his rudder restoration project. he cut the rudder in half along...
May 19, 2009 - 01:51 pm - Tom here is visual ref. you asked for, But I would like to get the data in table format0,0,02.5,0,0X, Y, ZJust FYI
May 19, 2009 - 09:39 pm - Norm,Actually have a few dry days now so I need to get some other stuff done. I'll move the rudder inside before the next rainy streak starts and get ...
May 22, 2009 - 11:28 am - I know that Norm has mentioned adding a Trim Tab to the trailing edge of the rudder, has anyone done this? I have read that this is so much easier on ...
May 23, 2009 - 06:21 pm - Alan:there is a couple of ways to add the trim tab1.) outboard or attached behind the rudder2.) integrated into the aft edgeOption 1. could be your be...
May 23, 2009 - 06:24 pm - Thanks Jeff for the effort in doing the measurements.Time is no problems as I am only a year behind and not to worried if it falls to two. I just hate...
Nov 12, 2009 - 06:41 pm - I've taken my water-logged rudder off and into my basement before it freezes and splits again. I'll guess it wieghs 150-175#s-very heavy (and awkward)...
Nov 13, 2009 - 01:18 pm - Good day Dave:A couple of questions and a comment.1.) where are you located?2.) If it would work out? would you be interested, with help of course in ...
Nov 13, 2009 - 11:14 pm - Hey Norm, Thanks for the advice and input.I'm a long way from Hawaii, in Mpls., MN.I do have the square bottom rudder (1975).I hope not to split the r...
Nov 14, 2009 - 02:37 pm - I'll study your drawing and instructions and see if I can come up with some measurements for you.Wouldn't it be easier to use your old rudder for a te...
Nov 18, 2009 - 05:54 pm - Dave:In Mn You guys have that white stuff that falls from the sky; right?, also I now freeze below 32F (the thinning of the blood or something like th...
Nov 18, 2009 - 10:19 pm - White stuff falling from the sky? Just the Leonids the other night. Haven't seen that other white stuff falling yet, but looking forward to it.If I sp...

New Stern Arch Project Complete!   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jul 25, 2009 - 08:34 pm - Phewwwwwwwwwwwwwwww......this took wayyyyyyy longer than we planned. We seem to have misplaced our "easy button" You may visit our blog and cl...

Oil Pressure Gauge   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Mar 06, 2006 - 06:34 pm - My oil pressure gauge seems to be about to give up the ghost. I can pick one up at any auto shop, but they don't come with the sending unit that mount...
Mar 07, 2006 - 08:12 am - try these guys...http://www.tadiesels.com/

Old Blisters   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

May 23, 2009 - 10:00 pm - A couple of weeks ago I started getting suspicious of some of the old blister repairs. When I bought the boat there were around a dozen larger blister...
May 26, 2009 - 09:23 am - Hey Jeff,Looks like you have some work ahead of you. Be sure to check under the water tanks to be sure the bilge is completely dry so the hull can dry...
May 26, 2009 - 10:15 pm - Randy,Glad we agree, that is how I repair them as well. I went around the bottom Sunday and opened everything up. Now just need to let the drying take...

Old Pink Caulk Removal?   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Feb 19, 2008 - 06:14 pm - I'm trying mightily to remove the cheeks from my rudder. The PO used a pink polysulfide type material when he bolted it up to the rudder. Is there any...
Feb 19, 2008 - 10:40 pm - Remove the chalk in a small area including a little bit between the rudder and cheek. Put a small wedge into the crack you have created and drive it i...
Feb 20, 2008 - 09:08 am - Thanks Danny

Painting With Awlgrip   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Apr 15, 2008 - 10:54 am - I am looking for advice on my second coat. I have used all awlgrip products and have epoxy primered and then sanded smooth, My first coat od awlgrip I...
Apr 15, 2008 - 02:30 pm - Don't have any advice but I'm doing the same thing but using interlux epoxy prime kote and perfection topcoat.I will probably get a professional to do...
Apr 15, 2008 - 03:33 pm - I used a dewaxer and tons of rags being sure to only wipe one way, then I used a 2 part epoxy to repair gelcoat cracks and any places needing fill. I ...
Apr 15, 2008 - 03:37 pm - another thing i think is important is not to mix product, ie primer and paint. I am not sure about the chemical differences but if the prices are that...
Apr 15, 2008 - 03:52 pm - My prep was scrub everything with yma601 dewaxer and degreaser before sanding. I also scrubbed areas I was worried about (traces of old polysulfide et...
Apr 15, 2008 - 04:04 pm - My deck:
Apr 15, 2008 - 04:10 pm - Kendall,Are you painting your topsides? If so, are you rolling or brushing it on?Awlgrip is touchy stuff - if you're doing any more than a two foot wi...
Apr 15, 2008 - 06:04 pm - The fun part of painting with 2 part polys is the number of factors involved. When you think you've figured it out you get different weather condition...
Apr 16, 2008 - 06:22 pm - I actually was going to use the paint I have for topsides also but as it is going I think I am going to need to do as many thin coats as I can get to ...
Apr 18, 2008 - 12:45 pm - Started touching up thin areas yesterday and realized that painting with awlgrip is like making a jawbreaker from in inside out. I stopped worrying ab...
Apr 22, 2008 - 03:01 pm - Got any pics Kendall?
Apr 30, 2008 - 03:36 pm - Sorry no pics,...
Oct 16, 2008 - 08:35 am - Hey Gang,Just finished Awlgripping via brush only the blue sheer stripe on Satori. Came out spectacular.Aaron, you are absolutely right about the thin...
Nov 12, 2008 - 11:50 pm - End report. Great results per all in the shipyard regarding the Oyster White topsides.two points. Finished base coat (badger hair brushed on) with 25%...
Nov 12, 2008 - 11:55 pm - Randy,I think we'd all love to see photos of your progress, if you can!Glad it's going well.Cheers,Aaron
Nov 13, 2008 - 10:39 am - Hey Aaron,My camera gear was last used to film T-Rexes. It's not exactly computer friendly, being film.But I'll try to come up to speed if I am able.T...
Nov 13, 2008 - 10:55 am - Some painting tips I have collected and figured out along the way:1. it worked really well that I brushed the paint laterally and then tipped it with ...
Nov 13, 2008 - 11:49 am - All,Another good way to keep paint from curring is to set it in a cool (but not ice!!!) bucket of water, obviously keeping the water out. If it's real...
Nov 15, 2008 - 10:49 am - Great idea, Aaron,Also another tip I figured out. You want to plan the application of each coat of paint so that you come around the entire vessel in ...

Propane   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jan 01, 2006 - 06:55 pm - Ive searched the archives and I came up short on propane tank storage. After much thought or not enough I think I want to build a small locker in the ...
Jan 02, 2006 - 12:35 am - Ahoy Joseph & Debbie,I have modified my previous W-32 and my present one and 3 other W-32's this way. There seem to be no real world negative effe...
Jan 02, 2006 - 06:43 pm - Hi Joseph:Check out http://external.pasco.com/bietz/pyggie/refit.htmdown a couple of rows on the pageNote the white boxes on the boom gallows supports...
Jan 05, 2006 - 08:58 pm - Hi Dave,Do you have any pictures, diaghrams, or examples of what you did. My email address is josephgraham@sbcglobal.net
Oct 16, 2007 - 11:34 am - Dave,We're also starting to think of what to do for our propane storage - right now we have a standard 20lb barbecue tank in the cockpit, but it's at ...
Oct 18, 2007 - 12:40 am - Our W32 My Star has three small 7 pound tanks in the port lazarette. I keep one connected to the galley stove/oven and I connect a hose from one of th...

Propane Quantity   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Oct 19, 2009 - 01:11 pm - Does anyone use a 1 gallon propane tank (for cooking only) on their boat? If so, whats the average life of a tank of gas? I realise this is dependant ...
Oct 20, 2009 - 03:19 am - I have two 10lb horizontal tanks. I think they are the smallest I have seen. I can get more than a month to 6 weeks of full time living off of them co...
Oct 20, 2009 - 03:20 am - just to clarify: I get the 4-6 weeks off of EACH.rich
Oct 20, 2009 - 12:13 pm - We had the vertical 7 lb tanks on Satori. We got about 6 weeks (after the OPD valve change over- now they are only 6 lb tanks) for two people. In the ...
Oct 20, 2009 - 01:57 pm - Gary & Charlotte,Just so we're comparing apples to apples, I believe that a 10-lb. tank holds 2.5 gallons of liquid propane. Like Rich, we get 4-6...
Oct 20, 2009 - 04:48 pm - We have two 2.5 gallon tanks mounted in the propane locker on the port side. In Mexico we were getting 3-4 months for both or 1.5-2 months each. We al...
Oct 20, 2009 - 07:45 pm - Thanks!

Pygmalion - Repower And Other Modifications   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Nov 29, 2008 - 08:05 am - Due to the age of the salt water cooled engine, the fuel leak in the injector pump, numerous overheating events, the smoke from the engine and finally...
Dec 03, 2008 - 01:30 pm - Jay,Looks like you have the sailors equivalent of a buidling opportunity in the housing market. Sounds like you have thought it all out. Have fun and ...
Dec 07, 2008 - 12:20 pm - 12/5-6/2008I spent 4 hours on Friday pulling the engine and transporting it up to my truck. Special thanks to Craig Newton (formally of WS 32 Voyager ...
Dec 08, 2008 - 09:31 pm - I have a quote on the skate fin fromRainbow Fin Company in La Selva Beach, CA 831 728 2948 or http://www.rainbowfins.com/surf/The larger fin is $346 a...
Dec 14, 2008 - 07:58 am - Friday and Saturday:Removed the old fresh water lines, original 1/4 fuel lines and filters, 5/8 sea water lines and other odds and ends.Installed the ...
Dec 14, 2008 - 02:36 pm - Jay It looks like you are having to much fun?a couple of comments When you rerun the raw water line make a provision for a fresh water flush from the ...
Dec 16, 2008 - 07:47 pm - Norm:On the raw water flush -- is this after every usage - you flush the lines and close the sea cock? I have a real problem with stuff growing in the...
Dec 17, 2008 - 03:28 am - nice pictures Jay. I was wondering the new Beta marine engine you're installing is there a motor mount conversion kit you have to buy to be able to fi...
Dec 17, 2008 - 06:55 am - Chris:While I have the boat in the water now, it will be out on Thursday (weather permitting) and the engine will be installed then. I do have Bud's m...
Dec 17, 2008 - 06:22 pm - cool I didn't know he sells a motor mount conversion kit, very cool can't wait to see the new motor pics. I think for sure I am wanting a westsail, it...
Dec 18, 2008 - 01:13 pm - Jay:I now this is not PC But if you can get ahold of some TriButylTin(nasty mostly not legal bottom paint) and just paint the inside of the thru hull ...
Dec 19, 2008 - 10:48 pm - Jay,Thank you for keeping us posted on your progress. I always seem to learn something from your comments and the discussion from others.George
Dec 22, 2008 - 10:25 pm - Well, I'm back home resting and Pygmalion is on the hard in Alameda Marina.I have updated the photo's and will fill in the details later.http://picasa...
Dec 24, 2008 - 02:20 am - nice work on the new motor, can I ask what was the cost of the new motor?Chris
Dec 24, 2008 - 08:44 am - Chris:I'm hoping to keep the total cost of the project under $15000. See your email for more details. I'd also just ask for a quote from Bud.
Dec 24, 2008 - 09:38 am - Activities covering 12/17 - 12/20/08.12/17 (sunny in the upper 40's): Install stb fuel tank and some of the plumbing. Continued to remove old fresh wa...
Jan 01, 2009 - 11:04 am - Activities covering 12/26/08? 12/30/08The weather on this phase of the project was a little warmer but still cold and the finishes cured very slowly? ...
Jan 04, 2009 - 09:29 am - Activities: 1/3/20091. Installed the starter battery and second house battery and some of the battery wiring.a. I?ll have to lengthen the starter batt...
Jan 04, 2009 - 08:05 pm - Jay, keep up the good work. Looks like you are methodically covering all the bases.Those who have not replaced an engine with a different one miss out...
Jan 05, 2009 - 10:04 am - Jay,My set of installation instructions describes the 7/8" to 3/4" adjustment needed for the cooling water outlet connection. If you can't fin...
Jan 05, 2009 - 08:00 pm - Bud:The adjustment piece is it SS that is added or??For the siphon break lines -- I guess then the water lines will be strung from the rear of the eng...
Jan 06, 2009 - 09:04 am - Jay,Use a cut off piece of the tubing that came with the engine, and a 3/4" straight plastic hose barb. The ridges of the barb are slightly over 3...
Jan 06, 2009 - 02:22 pm - Thanks Bud for the info
Jan 07, 2009 - 09:16 pm - Jay, I would appreciate seeing pictures of how you run and mount the water injection hose. Since installing the Kubota engine in my 28 I have not yet ...
Jan 08, 2009 - 12:20 pm - George,Mount the siphon break on the sidewall of the cockpit, up near the deck, in a location that lets the hoses be as much out of the way as possibl...
Jan 11, 2009 - 03:00 pm - Activities: 1/9-10/20091. Installed the 4 modified nuts for the bracket between the transmission and CV joint.2. Installed the exhaust hose from high ...
Jan 11, 2009 - 03:02 pm - George: I think I have the photo of what you are intersted in athttp://picasaweb.google.com/jaybietz/RepowerPygmalion#The last few that I posted today...
Jan 11, 2009 - 03:10 pm - Norm:Thinking of the back flush for the raw water system.Seems that I would tee (with a valve) into the 3/4" water line just before the sea water ...
Jan 11, 2009 - 03:59 pm - Jay:not sure on the Boost pump (What type is this)I have seacock, the strainer, the tee, the hose to the raw water pump (groco type) to the engine .I ...
Jan 11, 2009 - 11:01 pm - Ball valves are normally used for ON/OFF service. They're not meant to regulate flow. Better off with a globe valve to control flow.
Jan 12, 2009 - 01:41 pm - Ralph:I know that needle and secondly the globe valve is often used as a fist choice when doing flow regulation. They are bigger and more $$$ and not ...
Jan 12, 2009 - 08:06 pm - Norm,If you're happy with +/- 10% then as you say, a ball valve will work fine. I guess as a Chem.E., I took your post verbatim and since it's bee...
Jan 12, 2009 - 09:11 pm - Norm and Ralph:Thanks for the ideas -- the boost pump is a SS centrifgual (sp) pump intended to be used only for a few seconds before starting to push...
Jan 12, 2009 - 09:11 pm - Bud, thank you for the suggestion on location and method of attachment for the siphon break.Jay, the pictures are helpful when doing something new to ...
Jan 13, 2009 - 02:28 pm - Jay:a note: I looked at your Pic of the inlet setup and with your centrifugal boost pump. You could just tee between the strainer and the boost pump f...
Jan 13, 2009 - 03:10 pm - Norm:The owner wanted the boost pump after the "burn out the muffler with 11 people on board event" in 12/2006 with the old engine. Since we a...
Jan 13, 2009 - 04:05 pm - Not sure about the wash down, (might not work so well) If you have enough pressure to spray the chain then I think you might flood the engine? you hav...
Jan 13, 2009 - 04:09 pm - PS if there is no flow on start I have always found opening the seacock fixes this. i.e. once I had operator error this issue.
Jan 13, 2009 - 04:37 pm - Norm:Pump info herehttp://www.pumpagents.com/pdf/JabscoPumps/50830-0012.pdf
Jan 16, 2009 - 12:29 am - Jay,Thought you might be interested; this is what our throttle looks like now. The two black things are the engine start and stop buttons.Cheers,Aaron...
Jan 18, 2009 - 09:28 am - Aaron: Do you still have the key some where?Like the location and layout.Jay
Jan 18, 2009 - 09:43 am - Jay,We do not have a key anywhere in the system. The only reason we could think of to have a key was if it was on the outside of the boat. By opting f...
Jan 18, 2009 - 10:17 am - Also,I can't remember what brand my remote control is - I want to say Morse, but I'm not sure. We're having trouble with the engine revving before the...
Jan 18, 2009 - 10:35 am - Jay,Another option is to relocate the panel just inside the companionway. After I finally get the ceiling installed next fall (I hope) I'll build a bo...
Jan 18, 2009 - 01:08 pm - All: I have posted photo's and movie's of the engine running!!! on my picasa site. Wow this engine is MUCH quieter then the Volvo though I have worrie...
Jan 28, 2009 - 07:22 pm - I think I'm ready for sea trials on Sunday -- have some folks to go with me.1/24-25/2009 work included:1. Changed alternator wiring so the alt output ...
Jan 28, 2009 - 07:24 pm - PS:I'm having a canvas cover for the panel made and installed soon...Thanks for all the advise and ideas....
Jan 29, 2009 - 05:21 am - Jay it looks so clean almost like nothing is wired upChris
Jan 29, 2009 - 07:44 pm - I put the wires up under the cockpit "seats" secured to wood blocks...Jay
Jan 30, 2009 - 05:11 am - what is the milage or should I say the hours per gallon it gets compared to the old motor??
Jan 30, 2009 - 11:01 am - The Beta 38 engine probably uses about 3/4 gal per hour at normal RPM, going about 6 to 7 knots. If you run the RPM up higher to buck a headsea or cur...
Feb 03, 2009 - 08:54 pm - Saturday afternoon, I finished up the installation of the instrument panel wiring - installing a relay to power up the engine room fan when the key is...
Feb 04, 2009 - 01:33 am - Jay:You are getting better speed Than I can under power with my westerbeke 4-107. from Your movie it looks like the stern developed the secondary wake...
Feb 04, 2009 - 08:45 am - Norm: Yes, I'm thinking that about 2K RPM is the at the hightest speed and least fuel ... just a guess though.I would have thought that letting the pr...
Feb 04, 2009 - 01:26 pm - What happened: The slot always blows 15 to 35 in the afternoon. Must be that global warming+/-As for the prop just think of it like this, a stoped...
Feb 04, 2009 - 04:10 pm - OK on stopping the prop -- Ethan at Beta in the Bay area -- says to keep the transmission reverse when under sail and motor not running...wind -- wint...

Quick Teak Winter Coat??   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Sep 08, 2007 - 10:08 am - ok, no way i'm going to have time before the snow flies here to do a complete job of stripping, sanding, restoring old deck trim teak on Orion... wond...
Sep 08, 2007 - 07:06 pm - Couldn't hurt

Radar   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Apr 13, 2009 - 04:33 pm - I'm thinking about mounting my radar on an aluminum pole on the boomkin with possible future mount for a wind generator above. Anyone have pictures th...
Apr 13, 2009 - 05:49 pm - David, I have a number of pictures of radars mounted on a post on the boomkin, as well as drawings of a tower to attach to the boomkin for radar, wind...
Apr 14, 2009 - 12:54 pm - David,We just took some pics of the base of our new arch which will support wind, articulating solar, radar, GPS, spare VHF, port and starboard rail s...
Apr 15, 2009 - 07:02 am - David,The photos have been posted.CheersDon and Lana
Apr 15, 2009 - 09:00 am - Wow, big project, I'm thinking of something much simpler, just a pole mounted on the boomkin with lateral supports. Thanks for sharing the photos. It'...
Apr 18, 2009 - 11:41 am - Hi Bud,I sent you an email to request the pictures, not sure if you received it.I'ld like to get your advise (or anyone else who may have experience w...
Apr 18, 2009 - 12:06 pm - David, There is no need for schedule 40 pipe. A thinner wall tubing would work fine. I also assume that you will be using aluminum tubing to save weig...
Apr 18, 2009 - 02:02 pm - Any ideas or "tried and true" ways to mount a wind generator on a ketch? I've seen a few pic's with them mounted above the radar, a few look l...

Radar Mounting On The Mast.   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

May 02, 2008 - 01:11 am - Aloha All,I bought a new 24 inch radar and mast mount for my boat and had thought to place it just above the spreaders, now I'm thinking maybe thats t...

Rain Leaks   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jul 31, 2008 - 06:37 pm - Hi all,I'm a new owner of a Westsail 32'. Been spending some time cleaning and stuff, getting ready to liveaboard. Rained a bit while I was at the boa...
Jul 31, 2008 - 07:06 pm - I would use a polysulphide around the sampson posts.You'll have to remove the deck pipes and caulk beneath them. While they are out check for exposed ...
Jul 31, 2008 - 07:17 pm - I finally traced my last small leaks to loose fitting screws in the rub rail. I caulked all rub rails with SIS440 from Teak decking systems and after ...
Jul 31, 2008 - 08:31 pm - Tom,Thanks for the info!My guess is the old brass scupper is the culprit in the galley. I'll check into replacing it. For the sake of uniformity, is t...
Aug 01, 2008 - 10:01 am - The leaks usually come from the spun brass scupper tubes, the spun brass hawse pipes, and the holes for the bolts holding the stanchions in place.
Aug 01, 2008 - 06:57 pm - On the main hatch question: It is difficult to say without seeing it. Email me a picture or post one here.In reference to the scupper tube: If they ar...
Aug 02, 2008 - 11:34 am - Tom,I'm going down to take care of the leaks in my anchor locker tomorrow. Quick question. Should I remove all the old caulking in the deck that is cu...
Aug 02, 2008 - 11:55 am - You should take off as much of the old caulking as you can comfortably reach. Use masking tape to outline where you want the new caulking to end, then...
Aug 02, 2008 - 03:06 pm - Butch,You may want to probe the samson posts at the deck interface for any signs of rot, particularly from below. Mine were compromised and had to com...
Aug 04, 2008 - 05:32 pm - Depending on what year you have, the hull to deck joint may be the problem. We have found that the ealier boats, which have a wooden 'sheer clamp' sec...

Rain Water Leaks Thru Port Side Track   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Feb 05, 2006 - 07:53 am - I seem to have rain water leaks coming thru the port cap rail in the area of the track for the jib sheet block.Is there a way/product that will seal u...
Feb 05, 2006 - 12:20 pm - Although the tracks didn't appear to leak we decided to remove the them last summer and rebed them. Most of the bolts were tapped into aluminum flat b...
Feb 05, 2006 - 01:10 pm - Jim:Reinstall sounds tough (nice job Julie).Was the track bedded down at all?What did you use to loosen the bolts -- looks like I need a screw driver ...
Feb 05, 2006 - 02:06 pm - It was bedded down, but some areas appeared to be about to leak. I used a portable compressor with a 1/2" impact wrench. The hardest part was find...
Feb 06, 2006 - 09:38 am - That's a lot of torque!!I assume some of the bolts broke during removal?Thanks for your info.Jay
Feb 06, 2006 - 07:49 pm - I talked to our assebmly engineer about a low viscosity clear sealer and he gave me a tube of self leveling liquid Silcone. The only english on the tu...
Feb 08, 2006 - 12:04 pm - About four broke off and had to be drilled out.Jim
Feb 20, 2006 - 07:52 pm - On 2/13 I worked on the port track and discovered an area about 1/2" long between the track and the teak cap that had standing water. After drying...
Mar 25, 2006 - 08:28 am - I was at the boat on 3/23 and there was moisture in the same area -- though less then before -- I'll need to recheck the area -- maybe seal up the fla...
Mar 25, 2006 - 10:50 am - Make sure the leaks are not comming through the caprail/deck seam.Jim

Rebedding Caprail?   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Aug 20, 2004 - 08:52 pm - Just got back from spending a week on my 'new' WS32 (and didn't want to return). One night there was a DELUGE of biblical proportions and thanks to mo...
Aug 20, 2004 - 10:56 pm - I can't speak for the caprail removal, but I can provide a useful tip for removing plugs.Using a small drill bit, say 1/16", drill into the center...
Aug 21, 2004 - 01:24 am - Ahoy Mike I have over 10,000 plug removals behind me. I always use a Brad point bit. They are available at most hardware stores.Also, I don't recommen...
Aug 21, 2004 - 09:25 am - Good idea using another screw to back out the plug. I was of a mind that using a 1/4" plug cutter would require precise positioning over the origi...
Aug 22, 2004 - 02:59 am - Polysulfide is definitely a better choice over 5200, especially if you ever plan to remove those elements again. Besides, polysulfide products tend to...
Aug 22, 2004 - 08:02 am - re: tools used. The person that was telling me how they removed the WS32 caprail (etc.) said they used a ratchet + extensions to remove any nuts t...
Aug 22, 2004 - 02:02 pm - The method of attachment sounds like a question for Bud. If he's lurking out here in i-world, I'm sure he'll respond.Louis
Aug 22, 2004 - 08:03 pm - Having recently purchased a W32 one of the first jobs I attended to was scraping all the caulking out from the caprail and each side of the teak decki...
Aug 23, 2004 - 12:20 am - Ahoy Mike, If the hardware store guy does not know what a Brad point bit is, Then suggest to him that he attend the hardware store training school. Ho...
Aug 23, 2004 - 06:21 pm - OK, I have to admit I'm new at this re-caulking business. In my past life when anything like this kind of 'gruntwork' was needed the boat just went to...
Aug 23, 2004 - 11:01 pm - Mike, as I said in my previous post, I just did exactly that. My thinking is that as long as the water can't make it past the new seal, then it's not ...
Aug 24, 2004 - 07:20 am - Well, that is that then. I'll just re-caulk the exterior inboard/outboard hull/caprail joint. Certainly much 'easier' than removing the entire caprail...
Aug 24, 2004 - 12:39 pm - Ahoy Mike:I have done both of what you are looking to do. The easy part is removing the cap rail. The hard part is The Tracks. If you have missing bol...
Aug 24, 2004 - 06:56 pm - My genoa tracks were tapped into the fibreglass/timber with no nut on the inside of the cabin. I did wonder about the strength of this setup, but havi...
Aug 24, 2004 - 08:51 pm - Thanks Rod:The loads from a sheet is not so much (look at the angle on the block. So you and many others have gotten away with just such a set up, thi...
Aug 25, 2004 - 11:27 am - It seems everyone prefers to use Sikaflex instead of 5200. Any particular reason? Being a polyurethane as well, does Sikaflex bond like 5200 (that stu...
Nov 22, 2004 - 11:47 am - my favorite is 3m 101 for this stuff.good luck .....RichBTW I am sure the caprails are only screwed down. Underneath them will still be some bolts whe...
Nov 22, 2004 - 05:22 pm - I've decided to use Life-Caulk (a polysulfide). I'm forever against 5200 on boats.Why you ask? Well, the last owner stuck some ceramic tiles on the ma...

Rebedding Compound?   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Nov 09, 2007 - 11:42 am - What is a good choice for rebedding the opening portlights?Thanks again
Nov 09, 2007 - 12:34 pm - I like 3M's 4200
Nov 09, 2007 - 05:39 pm - Are you refering to the seal between the flange and the cabin? If so butyl strip caulk works great. It doesn't harden so it is less prone too future l...
Nov 09, 2007 - 08:38 pm - Yes Tom - thanks

Refinishing Bowsprit Platforms   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jan 06, 2010 - 03:01 pm - I've just refinished the bowsprit on my W28. This involved stripping all of the previously applied (peeling) epoxy from both the bowsprit and the teak...
Jan 06, 2010 - 07:48 pm - In my opinion, what applies to the care and nurturing of teak decks applies here equally. Just keep the surfaces clean with mild detergent, SOFT brush...
Jan 06, 2010 - 09:07 pm - I've done that on my boats and have been happy with the result and look. Like Ralph says just keep them clean. I just use a fine scotch brite pad and ...
Jan 07, 2010 - 12:38 pm - Thanks. That confirms what I was thinking. As long as the doug fir bowsprit itself is protected from rot (epoxy, varnish), the platforms should be fin...

Remove Caulk From Companionway Hatch?   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Mar 10, 2008 - 06:43 pm - Anybody got a good method of removing the old caulk? I'm refinishing my hatch and need to get the old stuff out. The screwdriver method is frustrating...
Mar 10, 2008 - 08:29 pm - We did our whole decks with a Fein multimater tool that has a special attachment to remove old caulk. Bought it on ebay; couldnt have done what we did...
Mar 11, 2008 - 03:29 pm - I just removed my slidder in preperation to paint. I believe the best way is to remove the bungs around the edge and then unscrew it. Depending on how...

Removing Original Fuel Tanks...   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Oct 02, 2006 - 11:13 am - Just when I was almost ready to have my rebuilt Perkins placed back in the boat, a friend stopped by to have a look and pointed out that my starboard ...
Oct 02, 2006 - 05:48 pm - Fred,I just pulled my old starboard tank last month after disconnecting everything, but with the engine (the original Volvo) still in place, albeit st...
Oct 02, 2006 - 06:35 pm - I have the original Volvo, and a leaking starboard tank too that I want to remove. Do you think it is absolutely necessary to remove the engine head t...
Oct 03, 2006 - 01:11 pm - I was plagued with (I presume years of) algae/crud buildup in my tanks AND a slow seepy leak in my port tank so I just removed both my tanks for press...
Oct 03, 2006 - 03:32 pm - Thank you, Mike and Tom for your input - I'll let you know how I fare w/ mine. The first thing I have to do is empty the tanks (I always kept them top...
Oct 10, 2006 - 10:36 am - Pumping out the old fuel...It went well but there was some pretty nasty - looking stuff coming out from the bottom...Then I removed the starboard tank...
Oct 10, 2006 - 06:45 pm - Fred, Did that price include sight gauges? I'm shocked that they're still in business - these days it seems like all the original suppliers have disap...
Oct 11, 2006 - 08:24 am - I don't think that price includes sight gauges, but it does include senders for a fuel gauge - Which would be better to have? It seems that a sight ga...
Oct 11, 2006 - 09:58 am - From the pics it looks like the condition of the top/sides of your tanks is OK (?). Just the bottom looks bad. Did you consider just cutting the botto...
Oct 11, 2006 - 11:40 am - Tanks (haha) to everyone for their input - I can use all the help & advice I can get!Mike, each of my tanks were held in place by two 1" squar...
Oct 11, 2006 - 12:21 pm - You had a 1" sq teak strip on the *inboard* side fo the tank?Not on the outboard (hull side)? i.e. behind the tanks between the bottom of ...
Oct 11, 2006 - 01:22 pm - Yes, the strips were all along the inboard and forward sides of the tanks (right along the edge of the shelves) to keep the tanks from sliding off the...
Oct 13, 2006 - 06:07 am - Thanks for the clarification.My confusion about 'inboard?' is because obviously the strips aren't needed to prevent the tank from sliding off the shel...
Oct 13, 2006 - 10:09 am - The sight gauges I use have a heavy wall plexiglass tube that will not get cloudy. Also, both ends have a valve that can be shut off to prevent any le...
Dec 04, 2006 - 11:05 pm - I'm starting the process of removing both tanks tomorrow - I've decided to do a little bit each day for a couple of weeks and order my new tanks for C...

Removing Teak Decks (or, What I Did On My Winter Vacation)   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jan 05, 2009 - 01:08 pm - I have finally had enough of the leaky decks. I like them, but they are very hot in the tropics, but do not want to spend 20 % of my time on the boat ...
Jan 05, 2009 - 05:46 pm - Rich,Have fun with that one! Sell the teak as a bundle on ebay or something; can probably make $100.Be sure to check for water incursion in the screw ...
Jan 06, 2009 - 09:10 am - Rich,Go to a pool supply store and get come of the paint that they use around a pool deck to cover the cement and have a nonskid surface. Works well, ...
Jan 06, 2009 - 11:31 am - thanks for everyones advise. I will try to find a pool supply store and see about that. Good idea. I am sure there are plenty of them here in sunny fl...
Jan 06, 2009 - 02:47 pm - I can't understand why these boats were built with teak decks if there such a pain in the rear with leaking and all, yeah they look good but doesn't s...
Jan 06, 2009 - 05:58 pm - Some boats today are still built w/ teak decks. They're great for the higher latitudes, but the tropics, hot, hot, hot.....Fair Windshttp://svelysium....
Jan 06, 2009 - 06:21 pm - Chris :Not all the Westsails had teak decks. I hate to say it, but people like your self, had that "Yeah they look good" and wanted them, so o...
Jan 07, 2009 - 05:42 am - Norm I have seen a couple westsails that weren't teak but not many plus I don't know if they orginally had teak or not.Chris
Jan 07, 2009 - 09:19 am - Rich, I have teak decks as well and haven't yet decided what I want to do with them: just recaulk; pull them and go with non-skid; pull, fill and lay ...
Jan 07, 2009 - 10:14 am - Believe it or not, there isn't much core rot. After I got it all up, I did the hammer test to see if it was soft underneath. All sounded nice and shar...
Jan 07, 2009 - 11:56 am - Four years ago we removed, plained and reinstalled our teak decks. We just couldn't bring ourselves to throw all that beautiful teak away. I had an ar...
Jan 07, 2009 - 01:33 pm - Rich; options that I did not mention as I thought you were going with the pool stuff.The very best (IMHO much better then teak) nonskid with better tr...
Jan 07, 2009 - 01:37 pm - opps on the micro bead Tacky not wet surface.
Jan 08, 2009 - 11:33 am - There is a synthetic teak deck system that is being used on boats like the Ameal that might be a bood option. I think Teak Deck Systems might sell it,...
Jan 10, 2009 - 01:58 pm - I've seen a nice looking non skid fiberglass deck solution on wooden boats (more durable than the traditional painted canvass). They use Dynel cloth, ...
Jan 24, 2009 - 12:36 pm - How goes it, Rich?Best,Aaron
Jan 25, 2009 - 06:13 am - What a project and discussion. Is it doable to simply take the screws out of the old teak deck and resink them another 1/4" deeper or so in new be...
Jan 25, 2009 - 08:59 pm - Randy,This is exactly what I am doing with Bloodhound's deck as the teak plugs (thinned too much by sanding) pop out over time. I withdraw the old scr...
Jan 28, 2009 - 08:32 am - Wow, Ralph,Thanks for the help and encouragement. It sounds like you have already tried it with some success. Sounds like a very reasonable fix provid...
Jan 28, 2009 - 08:51 pm - Randy,The original deck had the old caulk removed and was recaulked without any masking of the surface. The deck was then sanded smooth which removed ...
Jan 28, 2009 - 11:32 pm - Ralph,Thank you so much for your input.I am thinking, I don't care if the decks are nice and smooth, just waterproof to protect the deck.So, if I can ...
Jan 29, 2009 - 04:01 pm - Randy,The trick is going to be getting the old plugs out. Once that's done, the rest is a snap --- back out screw, drop it into a used screw bucket, d...
Feb 13, 2009 - 11:07 am - I know this is an old subject but I came across some new info. We met the W/S Barlovento here in La Paz and I noticed they had great nonskid on their ...
Feb 14, 2009 - 08:42 am - Sorry I let the thread die. I left florida with the boat in a slip to come back to work in Indiana. It was time to go back to work.I took up both side...
Feb 14, 2009 - 10:42 am - Rich,The MAS patterns are VERY expensive. I was quoted over $1000 for a 4'x8' sheet.Also consider Treadmaster - has a certain look that might bother s...
Feb 14, 2009 - 07:39 pm - I HATE treadmaster after it gets a little long in the tooth.dealbreaker in my opinion.rich
Feb 18, 2009 - 11:31 am - Rich,I used the Teak Decking Systems fitting epoxy as well as screws to get decent clamping pressure. Don't know if you got a look at "Marianne...
Feb 18, 2009 - 04:40 pm - Thanks for the offer scott. I have the boat behind someone's empty and "for sale' house in satellite beach on a canal for now.Costs about 1/2 what...
Feb 18, 2009 - 04:54 pm - Hey Rich,Don't know why I can't upload pics from work but here's a close-up of the foredeck. cya next month.
Feb 18, 2009 - 08:43 pm - At the boatshow last weekend I saw a product called kiwigrip looks interesting check at www.kiwigrip.com I might redo my decks with this it is about 2...
Feb 18, 2009 - 10:05 pm - Ed,Good thread talking about the pros and cons of Kiwigrip. I do not like the stuff (for reasons I discuss in the thread.) Kiwi Grip on Cruisers Forum...
Aug 19, 2009 - 11:31 am - Wow, thanks for all the help.After much consideration, I guess it's my turn to address the teak decks on my 1974 boat.Philosophically, I want to save ...
Aug 19, 2009 - 10:03 pm - Randy,The only reason I drilled the holes a little deeper was to get the head of the screw further below deck level so the new plug would have some me...
Aug 20, 2009 - 09:28 am - Ooh, Ralph, great a timely tip. Thank you.I will certainly not deepen any holes unnecessarily. On the other hand, it seems the ones that lost their bu...
Aug 20, 2009 - 09:41 am - Randy,One of the most valuable tools onboard Marianne is my impact driver. It saved me more times than I care to think about, especially during deck r...
Aug 20, 2009 - 12:55 pm - The plugs are shallow and the screw heads showing because the teak has worn down over the years. You need to deepen the holes and set the screws so th...
Aug 20, 2009 - 08:47 pm - Bud and Scott and Ralph,Thank you So much! You are wonderful.I got to the boat most of the day today and hurray, alot of the exposed screw heads (perh...
Aug 21, 2009 - 10:16 am - A scrugun is a drill like device with an adjustable clutch. Back in the old days we used Milwaukee screwguns exclusively. Don't even know if they are ...
Aug 21, 2009 - 11:53 pm - Randy,The non-powered hand tool worked pretty well for me. Labor intensive but least likely to strip the screw heads out and leave you with a real cha...
Aug 22, 2009 - 09:45 am - When a screw head strips: use a sharp 1/8" bit to drill a hole through the center of the head, and an Easy-Out to gently back the screw out, maybe...
Aug 22, 2009 - 09:58 am - I like to use a good fitting phillips head screwdriver to get the screw broken loose, about a quarter turn. Then you can use a powered driver to remov...
Aug 22, 2009 - 12:47 pm - Ouch,What an education the lazarette hatch has been.Spent the morning removing the teak strips. That meant removing bungs and screws. Sounded easy, bu...
Aug 24, 2009 - 08:34 am - what I used to get the screws backed out was a small flat screwdriver and a hammer to clean out the slot or the phillips. Then a few taps with an impa...
Aug 24, 2009 - 10:59 am - To get the bung off without messing up the screw head use a brad bit point drillbit. Sold at Home Depot. Ken
Aug 25, 2009 - 04:19 pm - This has been a fun and relatively inexpensive project. It seems to really be a structural improvement on the boat.The end result should be first qual...
Sep 12, 2009 - 07:00 pm - I have a report and pics on the teak lazarette hatch rebuild project. Since I am struggling with a new camera and not sure about resizing pics, I'll s...

Removing Thru Hulls   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jun 03, 2006 - 04:02 pm - I've finally managed to remove 30 years worth of bottom paint and am preparing to fill blisters and barrier coat. I am attempting to remove the thru h...
Jun 04, 2006 - 12:53 am - Ahoy Tom,I have a custom made SS tool for just that purpose. Any welder can make one quickly. Picture a tomahawk. At the end of a long handle, about 2...
Jun 04, 2006 - 08:26 am - Tom:If you are planning to replace the thru hulls anyway -- use a metal grinder with an abrasive wheel - on edge - to cut an X through the external fl...
Jun 08, 2006 - 06:50 pm - Tom,I have used this special adaptor to remove all my thru hulls. I found it at Hamilton Marine in Searsport, ME. They have a website www.hamiltonmari...
Jun 15, 2006 - 03:14 pm - Ask the chandlery or shop at your boat yard, we have been able to borrow a through hull wrench at all 3 boat yards where we have hauled out.Christie &...

Replacing Hawse Pipes   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Mar 05, 2006 - 04:05 pm - i was digging through some of the storage places on Inalla (WSSK0197) yesterday, and I found two brand new replacement hawse pipes that were left by t...
Mar 05, 2006 - 04:39 pm - TerryI wouldnt recommend 5200 unless you never want to remove the thing in the future. It is more of an adhesive. I am in the process of redoing mine ...
Mar 05, 2006 - 05:31 pm - How tough a job is it to replace the hawse pipes? Would 101 or Boat Life be good to recaulk the cap rails, too?
Mar 05, 2006 - 08:02 pm - Terrythe job itself isn't very difficult. the problem is that you have to access them from the inside of the boat to remove the hose and clamps that a...
Mar 15, 2006 - 11:40 pm - The section of rubber hose that came with the new pipes seems to be a pretty snug fit, so I don't think I'll need to use hose clamps -- the screws and...
Mar 16, 2006 - 11:55 am - Last September we recaulked our cap rails with Boat Life. This week end we discovered the leaks were worst than when we started. As soon as the weathe...
Mar 17, 2006 - 07:47 pm - We redid all of our hawse pipes on our W42 and replaced the spun brass with the cast ones. The cast are smaller in dia than the spun so we had to fill...
Apr 09, 2006 - 12:48 pm - I redid all the hawse pipes on my boat a few years ago - my expereience was very similar to Dave's - it was a pretty big job but I'm glad I did it - t...
May 22, 2008 - 01:03 am - Hawse holes: we have two on deck, just aft of sampson posts, for the two anchors we will have, and one on each gun'l, port & stbd.All are needing ...
May 22, 2008 - 03:00 pm - I've put some pics of the old hawse pipes ( http://www.svelysium.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/2removedhawsepipe.jpg ) removed and a gallery of ...
May 22, 2008 - 04:19 pm - Dave, Wow, you really had to destroy that old hawse pipe! Looked at the photos of your interior redo and wondered what you finished the teak with? It ...
May 22, 2008 - 07:16 pm - OK, I looked at the pictures and read what you had written -- how hard was the job? How long did it take to do each one, on average? I'm assuming the ...
May 22, 2008 - 08:30 pm - Tom, the interior varnish is all HMG clear. Has lots of UV stabalizer and doesn't color the wood. The floor is Ultimate sole.The hawses I would say av...
May 24, 2008 - 02:12 am - Wow, quite the fight with an item that is mostly air, (a hole, ha ha, ok, not funny, I know! ;-)Ours came right out of the deck, due to water and simp...
May 30, 2008 - 10:43 pm - 3M 5200 does not stick to metal. In line with that, on the package 3M does not list metal among the things it'll stick to. It's an urban legend to say...

Replacing Tanks On A W43   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Aug 03, 2009 - 09:12 pm - Hi All,I'm looking at sometime in the near future replacing the tanks on my 1977 W43. I know it will be difficult and expensive. Has anyone else faced...
Aug 04, 2009 - 08:32 am - If you look here you will see how Eric Forsyth tackled this project....http://www.yachtfiona.com/haulouts.htm
Aug 09, 2009 - 01:18 am - Thanks for the link. I've enjoyed reading and viewing it.Well...I'm feeling it is a major job. Are there any plans/designs for the tanks avaiable?Stil...
Aug 09, 2009 - 05:57 am - Mike on Infini redid all his tanks; twice. He bought beautiful poly tanks before he left and spent a month installing them and redoing the cabin sole....
Aug 09, 2009 - 10:43 am - Flip, I have the info on replacing the tanks on a W43. I made up a set for an owner to replace his. I will email you the drawings.

Replacing The Packing Flax In W28   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Nov 18, 2009 - 08:05 am - I don't seem to be able to control dripping from my packing box. Especially underway under power there is far too much water being sprayed around by t...
Nov 18, 2009 - 08:27 am - Voytek,There are a few options. Regular flax packing, a dripless packing, or flax packing + a dripless packing additive. My boat uses 3/16", a...
Nov 18, 2009 - 08:36 am - Thanks Aaron! Interesting thing about the washer... there may be one inside because it looked like not much room at all between the shaft and the insi...
Nov 18, 2009 - 08:53 am - I have had my packing gland apart in the water. The water does not come past the cutlass bearing very fast, the bilge pump cycled on for about 5 secon...
Nov 18, 2009 - 02:21 pm - Thanks Gary,Is there anything specific about W28? What is the size of the flax to be used and how many rings?As I mentioned before the box looks like ...
Nov 18, 2009 - 03:12 pm - Wojciech - measure the ID of the stuffing box. You allready know the OD of the shaft (1") so when you have this other number you will know what pa...
Nov 18, 2009 - 04:41 pm - The 3/16" packing will work fine. Use the packing that is impregnated with teflon though. In case you cannot find it locally, let me know and I ca...
Nov 18, 2009 - 04:50 pm - Thanks Gary, I was trying to do this using vernier calipers but there is not enough space to do it properly.I've read that it is important that the pa...
Nov 19, 2009 - 12:13 pm - You can be assured that the W28 packing is the same as on the W32. I will send you a page from the W28 construction manual that I have.
Nov 19, 2009 - 03:33 pm - Thanks Bud, I did another inspection last night and finally figured out that the packing is sitting in the nut rather than in the box itself. This is ...

Report On Boomkin Tang Removal   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jun 22, 2008 - 11:00 pm - Just a report. My W32 in the yard. Very easy to extract and inspect boomkin tangs. Bolts failed. Tangs passed. Relatively easy job. A few hours.Randy
Jun 30, 2008 - 01:08 am - Randy,Sounds like you are doing a pretty thorough refit. What yard are you in? I would really like to see all that you are doing to Satori. Call me at...
Jun 30, 2008 - 10:51 pm - Hey George,Thanks for the note and friendly comments. I've been meaning to call, but the daytime number always eludes me because of my full time work ...
Jul 01, 2008 - 12:18 am - Randy,Don't forget anything bolted through the caprail - many boats have leaks around the ever-flexing genoa track that shows its head forward a few f...

Retractable Bowsprit   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Oct 22, 2009 - 07:35 pm - It seems a shame to be charged for 40 feet just because of a lengthy bowsprit, Anyone ever hear of someone putting a retractable bowsprit on a Westsai...
Oct 22, 2009 - 08:48 pm - Eric,I remember there being a thread on this a bit back. Check it out:http://www.westsail.org/discus/messages/4/931.htmlCheers,Aaron
Oct 23, 2009 - 02:03 pm - Thanks Aaron, turns out Bud has already made one!
Oct 23, 2009 - 08:55 pm - The cover of the latest issue of WoodenBoat has a great shot of an original Colin Archer Redningskoyte...with retractable bowsprit.

Reusable Wire Ties   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Sep 21, 2008 - 06:41 pm - I was visiting with Dave Kall this weekend and described a reusable wire tie and cradle that I found and used when I rewired my W32. Dave suggested th...

Rig Adjustment   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

May 23, 2005 - 06:08 am - Does anyone have some recommended tensions for the standing rigging on a W32? I have Bud's manual and understand the proceedure but I wanted to utiliz...
Jun 04, 2005 - 08:57 am - Hi Michael,I'm learning about the same thing... a friend loaned me a tension gauge and it appears that the tension is a factor of the gauge of your wi...
Jun 05, 2005 - 07:45 pm - Best to tension your rig sailing, then if you leave it for extended periods back each rigging screw off 2 or 3 turns. Sail on both tacks and tun the r...
Nov 13, 2005 - 08:34 pm - The spreaders on my W32 seem to have some fore-and-aft movement -- is this normal? If not, what do I need to do to correct the problem. Both sides see...
Sep 18, 2007 - 08:04 pm - Good day All:In a responce to this thread, I found a nice way of listing the requested information in a Table form. see http://groups.yahoo.com/group/...
Nov 08, 2007 - 09:41 am - Ahoy all,I'm curious of people's approach to lee shrouds - I just reset the mast to column and find my lee shrouds a little slack hard on the wind @ 1...
Nov 21, 2007 - 10:30 am - Still a little hopefull someone will havethoughts on this!Thanks,Aaron N.
Nov 21, 2007 - 05:16 pm - No big deal, Take 3" or 6" out of the forward lowers and move the mast forward. Nothing really to loose and everything to gain. You can do tha...
Nov 22, 2007 - 06:02 am - I would also make sure that the compression post and it's base are not being crushed. This would cause these turnbuckles to need to be tightened.

Rigging Confusion   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

May 01, 2008 - 03:57 pm - Hi:I am unraveling the mystery of rigging my westsail from scratch and so far, so good. I have 3 sizes of turnbuckles. 2 small, 11 med, and 1 jumbo si...
May 01, 2008 - 07:34 pm - You are correct! For the wiskers put the turnbuckles aft, for the boomkin put the turnbuckles high, for the bobstay put the turnbuckle high. If you ha...
May 01, 2008 - 09:33 pm - Thanks Dave! I was pretty close....
May 01, 2008 - 10:17 pm - Hi Dave--Any particular reason why bobstay turnbuckle needs to be high? Just curious
May 02, 2008 - 05:56 am - More freshwater rinses and less imerssion in saltwater. Also you can if need be adjust them from getting into the dinghy or water.No rule, just makes ...
May 02, 2008 - 05:58 am - Sorry, should read "without getting into..."

Rudder Cheeks   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

May 12, 2005 - 08:06 pm - Mine are in bad shape. I would like to replace with teak, but assume to find, buy and fit these large pieces to be too expensive. Any suggestions on a...
May 12, 2005 - 08:23 pm - Try IPE. Very hard and good outdoors. Also cheeeeeeeeep. Commonly known as Brazilian Walnut.http://ipe-wood.com/faq.html
May 13, 2005 - 06:31 am - Has anyone tried IPE for decks?
May 13, 2005 - 06:43 pm - I would recommend using Starboard plastic material for the rudder cheeks. It cuts and works easily, lasts indefinitely, and is relatively inexpensive.
May 14, 2005 - 02:05 pm - Not sure how you define 'expensive' but my vote goes for teak. Looking at the plans it takes about 9 bd/ft for both cheeks making it about $110-125 wo...
May 14, 2005 - 08:54 pm - IPE is about 2 bucks per board foot and you can't tell a lot of difference. In FL it is used outdoors for decking.
May 18, 2005 - 12:36 am - I have a few questions about the rudder cheeks. Are the cheeks actually structural? I have seen some removed and believe they would add strength as mi...
May 18, 2005 - 01:33 am - in regard to the above questions.... I just answered them myself by reference to Buds construction manual cd. For those of you who don't have it, I hi...
May 18, 2005 - 05:18 pm - Thanks, all. I'll let you know what I decide.Steve
Jun 01, 2005 - 09:21 am - I replaced my rudder cheeks with African Mahogany approximately two years ago. A finishing carpenter used the old rudder cheeks as templates. Some ind...
Jun 11, 2005 - 10:50 pm - My original(?) cheeks were made from aluminum alloy plates without the SS box at the top. A few years ago I replaced them with black Delrin, doubled n...
Jan 05, 2010 - 02:39 pm - Were all the W32's rudder cheeks made of ash? I have to admit that I cannot identify the wood from which mine are made from, I always assumed they wer...
Jan 05, 2010 - 05:17 pm - I was just about to remove the cheeks, depaint them and return them to natural wood. Now I think I'll do a tiny heat gun test and see what the materia...
Jan 13, 2010 - 04:44 pm - The factory used ash for the rudder cheeks. Owners have used other woods, aluminum, and plastic. I have also used Starboard material.
Jan 13, 2010 - 06:43 pm - Was ash the best wood for the job, or was their another reason for using it? When I bought my boat, the cheeks were painted. I was thinking of returni...
Jan 14, 2010 - 11:57 am - Westsail used ash on the headliner strips, deckbeam laminations, cabin sole strips, and some other locations. It is a nice white wood, and easily work...
Jan 14, 2010 - 12:10 pm - Is it possible to glue the starboard material? Reason I ask is, if you were to use plugs for the scrrew countersinks would it be possible to glue in p...
Jan 14, 2010 - 02:46 pm - Bud,You said that ash was used in the cabin sole. Is the sole ash and teak rather than holly? Also, were the cheeks made out of two pieces of ash each...
Jan 14, 2010 - 05:45 pm - Mine have cracked in the same place too. When I remove the paint I'll bet there's a joint. This weekend is cheeks-off time, depaint, reglue (Gorilla G...
Jan 15, 2010 - 06:50 am - Ralph,Are you using Gorilla Glue because it is more flexible? I had considered using the penetrating epoxy and then using epoxy glue.Frank
Jan 15, 2010 - 01:59 pm - Ralph/Sandra;Vinyl or latex gloves are a gluer's best friend. Especially when working with something like Gorilla glue.-Steve
Jan 15, 2010 - 02:28 pm - The rudder cheeks had to be made in two pieces because of the width of them. A spline was usually inserted between the two pieces when they were glued...
Jan 15, 2010 - 07:23 pm - I can certainly vouch for using gloves. Gorilla glue remains a tiny bit flexible, is completely waterproof, and doesn't let go. Epoxy gets very hard a...
Jan 16, 2010 - 10:19 am - starboard can be glued with epoxy, BUT, you must scuff it really good. There is a new kind that searay uses as backing plated for thruhulls, but it is...
Jan 17, 2010 - 12:35 pm - When I took off the cheeks, the underside and rudder have brownish/black gunk on them, which I can only assume is what was left of the adhesive/sealer...
Jan 18, 2010 - 11:43 am - The brownish/black gunk was probably Dolphinite caulking, which we all used back in the day. Now use polysulphide or polyurethane, but it is needed on...

Rudder Gelcoat Deterioration   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Dec 04, 2006 - 05:16 pm - After over ten years on the hard, the gelcoat on my rudder, in particular the portion beneath the wood cheeks, has cracked, peeled and generally deter...
Dec 04, 2006 - 10:17 pm - I'd scrape off the loose stuff and coat with thickened epoxy. Then fair it all out.

Rudder Is Full Of Water   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Nov 10, 2004 - 11:40 pm - Hi AllWe have our NEW Westsail 32 out of the water right now for bottom work, and of course we're discovering lots of potential problems and projects....
Nov 11, 2004 - 06:06 pm - Don't take the water out!OK This will eventually be a problem but:If you dry out a stock rudder it becomes buoyant and requires about 15 Lbs of lead o...
Nov 16, 2004 - 04:58 pm - Congratulations on the new purchase, Christie! I wish you many fine days of sailing ahead!Louis G.Editor, WOA
Nov 18, 2004 - 12:42 am - Thanks Louis!Norm -We are very interested in a new rudder in a few years. Looks like you've put some thought into this already. Hopefully other folks ...
Jan 18, 2005 - 12:29 pm - Christie:The Asbestos is (well not so well like by the environmentalists) not so easy to get.Having a foam core is not the bad part of the rudder (it ...
Aug 26, 2008 - 07:33 pm - Well the 2 to 4 years are getting a bit closer, and it is either this haul out, or it is the next one for me.I am asking the WOA membership how many o...
Mar 19, 2009 - 12:41 pm - Hi,Any update on making this rudder and cost?
Mar 19, 2009 - 04:17 pm - Currently, Not much forward progress:I guess few people have issues with water in there rudder.I may still make a mold but (a disposable one ) one tim...
Mar 20, 2009 - 02:24 pm - Norm: I have one of the old Asbestos type (hull #36). It has the round lower end. I would like to fair out the trailing edge as much as possible, and ...
Mar 20, 2009 - 04:23 pm - Alan:I am not sure but I have seen some original rounded rudders with wooden cores (yes they had a westsail topsides)Adding a trim tab and area to the...
Apr 18, 2009 - 04:25 am - One issue I can think of would be the use of Kevlar, IF it ever gets exposed to water the hygroscopic properties of kevlar will have you right back to...
Apr 18, 2009 - 04:37 pm - Robert:Thanks for the input but,3.) Get rid of the ss extra weight at the top of the rudder Replacing it with carbon and kevlar.(Weight is bad here)Wo...

Rudder Pintles   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Oct 25, 2005 - 06:29 pm - When we bought our W32 the rudder was off and the pintles are nowhere to be found - possibly eroded by galvanic action and discarded by the previous o...
Oct 28, 2005 - 05:53 pm - I have the drawing for the bronze pin used for the pintal with the fiberglass gudgeon. I also have drawings for the stainless steel pintals and gudgeo...
Oct 28, 2005 - 06:16 pm - Bud, Thanks, I have the fiberglass gudgeons so I need the drawings and specs for the bronze pintles. Is it something you could scan and email or could...

Sailing Instruments   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jan 16, 2006 - 09:26 pm - Just bought a full set of Navman sailing instruments for my WS32. Depth, Speed, Wind and repeater. Not having had any extended crusing experience I ne...
Jan 17, 2006 - 08:23 pm - Hi Terence:I just install the Navman instrument set on Pygmalion.I replaced the Wind, Speed and Depth original instruments in the cockpit with the Nav...
Jan 22, 2006 - 09:16 pm - Thanks for the input Jay. A couple of questions.1. Can you tell me how and where you installed the through hull transducer?2. Why did you choose Furle...
Jan 23, 2006 - 06:43 pm - Terence:1. Stb side mid ship under the lower quarter berth. I removed the paint down to the fiberglass and found that clear silcone sealent holds it i...

Sampson Post Replacement   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

May 09, 2009 - 08:18 pm - Poking around the Sampson Posts revealed some rot at the base. Here is a link to a blog post for the replacement with photos. Comments are welcome.htt...
May 10, 2009 - 07:56 am - Hi Don:Looks like a very nice job.... and your blog has some great photo's of your boat.
May 10, 2009 - 08:08 am - Thanks Jay. I am a bit of a visual person and do better with photos than manuals. That is the resaon we decided to document repairs. Perhaps there is ...
May 11, 2009 - 11:58 am - Wow,Don, Great post and great information. The port Sampson post on my W32 also shows signs of too much deterioration to suit me. However, it appears ...
May 11, 2009 - 12:30 pm - Randy,Sounds like a lumber store run for some douglas fir! To get it to fit snuggly, you'd surely have to fabricate it.If/when we get to replacing our...
May 13, 2009 - 08:59 pm - The Sampson Post that I used as a replacement came with the boat as an "spare part" when we purchased it. It appears to be douglas fir that pl...

Satori Pics With Hand-brushed Awlgrip Paint Posted   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

May 16, 2009 - 03:04 pm - Finally, with the help of a host of friends, my dinosaur type carcass has ascended from the dark ages, and was pushed into the digital photo age in my...
May 17, 2009 - 03:18 pm - Randy, Try resizing the pictures so that one does not have to move back and forth to read the post. Use the PIXresizer program, which a free program a...
May 20, 2009 - 09:20 am - Hey all,Here are the photos of Randy's Satori, reposted from the "Questions about WOA" thread.Best to all!Aaron N.(Message edited by admin on ...
May 26, 2009 - 08:52 am - Thanks Aaron,You're awesome and so the message board you work.My next "spare time" project will be to download and learn to use Bud's picsizer...

Satori Relaunch After Refit 2009   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Sep 12, 2009 - 02:38 pm - Here I hope is a manageable sized picture of Satori my boatyard friend took and sent recently.
Sep 12, 2009 - 03:37 pm - Beautiful! can't wait to see some pic's of her out on the water with you at the helm!Happy Sailing!Andrea
Sep 12, 2009 - 06:57 pm - Andrea,Thank you for the compliment on our efforts.Me too! (as far as let's see pics with me at the helm). Those should be coming shortly.You know, I ...

Scupper Replacement With Bud's Fiberglass Tubing   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Apr 08, 2009 - 09:18 pm - We just replaced all the scuppers on Mary Rose. Not too difficult and we are pleased with the outcome. Step by step with photos at http://www.captainm...
Apr 15, 2009 - 12:48 pm - Don, I looked at your link, nice job! I'm choosing to comment and ask here in the hopes of more eyes and more answers.I don't think my scuppers are le...
Apr 15, 2009 - 01:53 pm - Interesting. On My W32 (1976, #605) the deck scuppers drain into the cockpit drain. The other day the port drain begin to fill up with water from the ...
Apr 15, 2009 - 04:24 pm - Hey, that's a highjack, start your own thread man!
Apr 15, 2009 - 05:04 pm - If I recall properly (something that happens with decreasing regularity) the original scupper tubes had a mounting flange on each side of the bulwarks...
Apr 15, 2009 - 05:53 pm - On the later boats Westsail did install a 1/2" drain on the bottom of the scupper depression to drain out any small amount of water that was trapp...
Apr 15, 2009 - 08:14 pm - DFWe put our siphon break into the port cockpit drain. It only weeps a small amout as we put a back flow preventer in line when we installed it. It pr...
Apr 15, 2009 - 10:33 pm - Balance,My boat was a kit and didn't have the normal scuppers. Were your scuppers are is a round hawse pipe.At the bottom of the pan there is a 1-1/2&...
Apr 16, 2009 - 01:28 pm - One thought on the Catch ( the little water in the scupper pan)It is the last chance for some items headed for Davie Jones' locker (pins, washers, and...
Apr 16, 2009 - 06:11 pm - Woohoo! We had good hard 24 hour rain this past week and the bilge only had about a half a cup of water in it. I think replacing the hawse pipes and s...
Apr 19, 2009 - 07:42 am - My drains are about an inch or so above the bottom of the well. My 'tubes' going through the bulwarks have no flange or lip (on either side). No inter...
Apr 19, 2009 - 10:07 pm - Try using some silicon to temporarily secure a piece of closed cell foam or wood. If you like the result redo with thickened epoxy.
Apr 20, 2009 - 02:56 am - UGHHHHHHHHHHJeff Don't do it.SILICON and EPOXY don't coexist! Put Silicon on something you want to bond with epoxy, and you will have NO luck!!!! They...
Apr 20, 2009 - 04:04 pm - Thanks Norm.I would have cleaned the area and ground off the gelcoat before filling with thickened epoxy, but your warning will no doubt save me from ...
Jun 15, 2009 - 11:08 am - Well, I never got around to addressing this and I see that no one has replied to my specific question of: does anyone have the same set up as moi and ...
Jun 15, 2009 - 04:22 pm - Balance,I had the same configuration as you and did an epoxy build up. I have photos and suggestions on my blog at http://www.captainmontgomery.com/20...

Scuppers   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

May 22, 2007 - 07:07 pm - starting in on the replacement of the 3" bronze scuppers and seriously considering opening them up to make one larger oval/box on either side. Loo...
May 23, 2007 - 05:14 pm - I asked Dave about this a while back. He indicated they were pretty much one offs. Use PVC pipe the diameter of the scuppers. Secure two pieces side b...
May 23, 2007 - 05:37 pm - thank you tom. looks like its gonna take a few sacrificial attempts to get the final product. Did you fair the outboard edge flush with the hull or le...
May 23, 2007 - 09:55 pm - I extended them out about 3/8" glased them in and then added thickened epoxy around the outside. I rounded this over to form a nice profile. For m...
May 24, 2007 - 01:06 pm - Check out these folks: http://www.porttownsendfoundry.com/id41.htm
May 24, 2007 - 11:25 pm - L & J,good find. nice looking stuff, i'm afraid to ask on pricing.... but I did! i'll let everyone know what i get back.thank you

Sea Hood - Turtle   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jan 09, 2010 - 09:26 pm - We just installed our new turtle.....built it ourselves. Check it out! http://www.captainmontgomery.com/2009/12/westsail-32-sea-hood-companionway-hatc...

Seacock Drain Plugs   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Apr 03, 2006 - 07:18 am - I have read many articles on the removal of the "Drain Plug" from Seacocks, inserting a grease fitting and lubricating with a waterproof greas...
Apr 03, 2006 - 10:56 am - When the seacock is closed these fittings will alow you to draing the water from in the rubber that is trapped when shutting them off. That will keep ...
Apr 04, 2006 - 11:14 am - So, if the seacocks are watertight, my boat will not fill with water!Thanks much. I will look at this seacock closely upon launch next week.

Securing Your All Chain Anchor Rode In The Locker   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jul 15, 2008 - 04:02 pm - To all of you 32'ers without sampson posts, how have you secured the business end of your rode in your anchor locker?
Jul 15, 2008 - 05:43 pm - Balance,My W32 does not have sampson posts anymore. Mine is a little different than yours will be because part of my rebuild was lowering the V-Berth....
Jul 15, 2008 - 08:15 pm - I would absolutely consider installing a sampson post or the regular 2 sampson posts on your Westsail. It is not a major job (not small either) but it...
Jul 16, 2008 - 06:58 am - Hello dear Rod, as always, I will take your words into serious consideration. At this point, e.g. July 16 (summer waning) and attempting to get things...
Jul 16, 2008 - 08:28 am - You both have good points. Since my bowsprit does not come on the deck I was able to install a mooring bit in front of the windlass instead of the sam...

Seizing The Upper Shroud To The Spreader Tip   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

May 22, 2009 - 04:25 pm - I need to do this.....how is it done? Wrapping wire around and through the hole seems a bit "hokey"Thanks for any help
May 22, 2009 - 04:39 pm - Gary, That is the way it is normally done, then a vinyl boot is placed over the end to protect the sail from snagging on it.If you have the LeFiell sp...
May 23, 2009 - 09:06 am - I used split stainless shaft collars on Jasmine. They hold the outboard ends fine.I got mine at McMaster-Carrrich
May 24, 2009 - 10:07 pm - Rich - how did you attach them?My spreader tips are about 4" wide and flat with a groove where the wire sits. There is a hole inboard from the gro...
May 25, 2009 - 05:03 am - if you look at shaft collars, you will understand.put these under where you want your spreaders to stay.http://tinyurl.com/oty4wa
May 25, 2009 - 02:14 pm - The collars will keep the spreader from going up or down, but would not keep the wire from jumping out of a slot in the spreader tip when the stay is ...
May 25, 2009 - 02:29 pm - Correction - my spreader tips are about 3" wide. Do you have any boots this size Bud?
May 25, 2009 - 08:59 pm - my spreaders have bolts that make the stays captive.rich
May 26, 2009 - 12:50 pm - Gary, Yes I do, and they are airfoil shaped.Rich, If you have the original LeFiell spreaders with a 2" round tip, I have spreader boots for those ...
May 26, 2009 - 01:41 pm - bud,I do need to do it. I have some, but they are getting pretty stiff.I will let you know when I am making another trip to florida. should be soon, a...
May 27, 2009 - 04:29 pm - Rich:If you have the original LeFiell spreaders with a 2" round tip, there is a great way of trapping wire and providing anti chafe .Use a 2 1/2&#...
May 27, 2009 - 09:07 pm - I neglected to wrap mine with wire and broke the tab off the spreader last summer. Lucky I caught it in time, could be a real disaster....
May 28, 2009 - 08:27 am - Where would I find an indication of mast or boom manufacturer; Is there an impression stamp, ID plate?
May 28, 2009 - 09:54 am - There is usually an ID plate near the bottom. If your mast has flat sides and half round front and back, and the tracks are extruded in, then it is a ...
May 28, 2009 - 09:56 am - Usually a sticker Scott. If you post a picture someone may be able to identify it
May 28, 2009 - 10:23 am - Thanks, I'll check tonight.
Jun 16, 2009 - 09:53 am - Great thread and information, as it will be my turn to replace an upper shroud next.Can a port W32 spreader take the weight of a big guy hanging off o...
Jun 16, 2009 - 11:32 am - Use a bos'n chair, swing out and tie a loop around the upper shroud to hold yourself out there. The small wire spreader lifts were made for the Westsa...
Jun 16, 2009 - 11:23 pm - Great piece of information, thanks Bud. I wondered what those wires were for. I went up to the top of the mast for the first time last weekend to inst...
Jun 17, 2009 - 10:15 am - Be careful about standing on the spreader. If the wires and turnbuckle are original, they might have a weak spot in them and will break with a load on...
Jun 17, 2009 - 10:58 am - Great information. So that's what those mysterious wires are for. Mine are slack. Maybe I should replace them while I'm at the shroud job. Do you happ...
Jun 17, 2009 - 07:08 pm - I can get them for you, but why bother. Just take them off and do not plan on standing on the spreader. Use a bosns chair instead.
Jun 17, 2009 - 08:14 pm - Gracias, Bud. I'm about one inch from a proper bosun's chair anyway. Thanks for the tip.Randy
Jul 03, 2009 - 09:29 pm - So how do fools tread? Slowly, or leaving a slime trail like a snail.Just located and read Nigel Calder's bible about Electrical and Mechanical System...
Jul 04, 2009 - 05:31 pm - Clamping above or below on the wire is fine to keep the spreader from going up or down. However if the spreader tip has an open slot, you need to prev...
Jul 07, 2009 - 11:00 am - Bud,We installed the new boots and re aligned the spreaders to the proper angle (7 degrees up), large cotter keys were in place on the outboard end, a...
Jul 13, 2009 - 04:04 pm - Sorry on the delay:Please see the below photos for the spreader tip chafe protection as requested.Called "Imagine no chafe spreader tips"Start...
Jul 29, 2009 - 11:28 pm - Hmm, I had supposed that the spreader tips on my W28 were standard, but maybe not. The tips have a 1/2 collar that bolt to them, thereby seizing the u...
Aug 13, 2009 - 09:09 am - Thanks Norm, for the photo-demo of your chafe guard.Here is a photo of a simple chafe guard I made with a 10-12 inch length of 1 1/2" fire hose at...

Servicing Original Grocos   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Dec 20, 2008 - 10:00 am - Apologies in advance, if it's here I can't find it. Looking for a step by step 'how to' including a suggestion of the proper lubricant including a spe...
Dec 21, 2008 - 09:41 am - I just discovered directions in the manual, so the only thing I need to know is the right (or wrong) lubricant. Is there a certain ingredient that MUS...
Dec 21, 2008 - 06:35 pm - Post down in Bud's area. He knows everything you might need to know.
Dec 22, 2008 - 12:05 am - Aloha, I believe Lanacoat is what you want, I might have spelled that wrong,I use it on mine and it works great.
Dec 24, 2008 - 09:37 am - The grease used on the wheel bearings of a boat trailer will work very well.
Jan 13, 2009 - 02:11 pm - As it turns out, the wheel bearing grease that I bought at West Marine contains petroleum (a no-no). I spoke to Groco and they use Dow Corning 111 val...
Jan 13, 2009 - 04:25 pm - If the directions etc. are compact enough, I wonder if it would be possible to scan them and post them either here, or on the page dealing with "H...
Jan 13, 2009 - 10:45 pm - Nanette,If you do scan it, I can add it to the "manuals" section of the Member's Area. Email it to me!Thanks,Aaron N.
Jan 14, 2009 - 09:54 am - Done
Jan 14, 2009 - 10:22 am - Hey all,Nanette wanted this available for everyone, so here:quote: Simple task. Is the boat in or our of the water?In water lube as follows.1. You wil...
Jan 14, 2009 - 01:19 pm - OK Aaron:I will bite, where in the members section is the maintenance instructions?
Jan 14, 2009 - 03:21 pm - Thanks Aaron. Here is the link to the lube as well. When I showed it to John Cly at Groco his eyes popped as he believed that were paying more than tw...
Jan 14, 2009 - 05:45 pm - I was at a place called "the boathouse" in melbourne florida and they had bits and parts and whole Groco thru hulls like original on the wests...
Jan 14, 2009 - 05:47 pm - Norm and all,The Groco manual is available now. I uploaded the wrong (old) file earlier.Best,Aaron
Jan 17, 2009 - 11:31 am - Too bad John Cly from Groco was not questioned as to why they refuse to make any replacement cones. I did check with the West Coast Groco rep a few ye...
Jan 17, 2009 - 11:34 am - They want people to buy all new seacocks; more money that way.I bet if enough people were interested, we could have someone cast new rubber cones.Chee...
Jan 17, 2009 - 02:35 pm - Bud:Here's one custom fabricator I found (http://www.afmusa.com/index.html). Might be worth an inquiry as none of us would likely be in any position t...
Jan 17, 2009 - 07:08 pm - I was thinking a group buy might be a good way to go. If ten or twenty owners were interested in investing in replacement cones for all of their seaco...
Jan 19, 2009 - 09:59 am - Aaron, I'm in for three @ 1 1/2" and two @ 3/4"scott
Jan 19, 2009 - 03:24 pm - Actually John Cly did have an answer to the question. I forget the details but I think what he said was that those molds were sold, after that they we...
Jan 19, 2009 - 03:41 pm - What did the typical WS32 standardly get equipped with?
Jan 19, 2009 - 04:55 pm - Here is my response from John Cly.After I told him that to change the valves for the westsail 32s ONLY it would cost a total of 2.25 million dollars.h...
Jan 19, 2009 - 06:57 pm - S/V Summer Solstice is also in on a group buy.Based in Seattle are (Bainbridge Island)regards CAH
Jan 19, 2009 - 08:04 pm - I too would be in on a group buy if it ever happens. My limited understanding is that there are injection molds (expensive) and casting molds (less ex...
Jan 20, 2009 - 01:14 pm - Rich:IMHO John Cly is not the guy to be working with, I believe by his statement "There have been significant improvements over the years in valve...
Jan 20, 2009 - 01:29 pm - Westsail purchased directly from Groco, as well as the many years when I was able to get replacement cones directly from Groco. I was told that they d...
Jan 20, 2009 - 02:23 pm - Bud:Thanks I kind of though that they would not have allowed the sub-supplier to ship direct to Westsail.You are correct that if the Bronze is not mol...
Jan 21, 2009 - 12:20 pm - Bud, if it costs $12,000 to become equipped to become a fabricator for these cones, that translates into the sale of 200 cones at your stated price of...
Aug 08, 2009 - 06:14 pm - Just for the record, the Dow site dealer directory shows that Motion Industries (they're fairly widespread, at least in the Midwest) is a dealer. I or...
Aug 19, 2009 - 08:25 am - Norm,I love your philosophy. The boat yard guys were giving me and another Westsailor hell about replacing our old Groco's with the new and improved l...

Shaft Log Bolts   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Aug 05, 2008 - 07:29 am - Hey all- anyone know off hand what size the shaft log bolts are? I need to order some new ones and the boat is a ways away-Thanks!
Aug 05, 2008 - 09:27 am - John,I just removed my shaft log in June for a cutlass changeout. Coarse thread 3/8" bronze bolts, 4" long.Scott
Aug 05, 2008 - 09:45 pm - John,Just took off 4.5" bolts, wrong material, stainless steel. They were a good half inch more than needed. BIG mistake that stainless steel. Bro...

Ship's Bell Location   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Aug 21, 2008 - 10:44 am - Any thoughts on the best location for the ship's bell on a 32?
Aug 21, 2008 - 11:02 am - boom gallows?
Aug 21, 2008 - 04:21 pm - Mine's aft, starboard end of the boom gallows.
Aug 21, 2008 - 04:50 pm - Sell it! If you're asked for a bell from an inspection, take a pan out of the locker and a wooden spoon and bang on it. Regs are not for a "bell&#...
Aug 22, 2008 - 08:08 am - Mounted mine on the backside of the gallows toward the starboard side.

Shipmate Restoration   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jan 25, 2010 - 07:12 am - Hi,we're preparing for our next trip to work on our W42 and one of the jobs on my list will be restoring the 3-burner Shipmate which is so dirty &...
Jan 25, 2010 - 07:02 pm - Jane,I spent months trying to repair the oven control valve on my shipmate stove, finally found someone who had these obsolete parts available for a r...
Jan 26, 2010 - 05:02 pm - Thanks Scott,that's much appreciated.Jane
Jan 28, 2010 - 08:38 pm - Hi I also have a taylor. I contacted taylor company in Uk and they gave me they contact in the US.. see below they answerScott Loehr with St. Brendan?...
Jan 31, 2010 - 09:33 pm - I finally found how to download a picture.... so there is some picture before and after of my taylor. }

Shortening Rubber Hose At Packing Gland   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Aug 08, 2008 - 03:37 pm - Well, here's my newest concern. Seems my W32's rubber hose at the shaft log/packing gland connection is 5.5 inches long. It appears to be plenty long ...
Aug 08, 2008 - 04:02 pm - Mine is 4" long...the hose that is.http://www.buckalgonquin.com/pages/ProductPages/hose&clamps/hose_page.html
Aug 08, 2008 - 06:28 pm - Randy Get a new hose and make it 4" or 6" longI replaced my hose (So very happy I did) when you look in the very old hose (and open it up in t...
Aug 09, 2008 - 08:37 am - Thanks Norm and Gary,I had the feeling that the 5 1/2 inch hose was longer than necessary. You can figure how the extra inch helps access to the packi...

Simrad Installation...   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

May 19, 2008 - 09:57 am - Hey all, OK, so the installation instructions that come with the Simrad TP32 are sketchy at best. Anybody that's done this care to share tips? Where a...
May 20, 2008 - 12:11 pm - OK, a bit of elbow grease got the extender on... But major issue, I see I have a 4" differential in height between where the unit mounts at the ca...
May 22, 2008 - 06:39 am - Brian, no experience with the SimradTP but my new to me boat does have a TP set up. I can send you pictures of that, if that would help. Just need an ...
May 22, 2008 - 03:03 pm - Brian,I've been struggling with this, too, for some time. There is a thread down in the Ask Bud section with lots of Bud's advice on the topic.Bud sug...
May 22, 2008 - 03:57 pm - thanks mike... yes, 'too darn many options'! i may just, as you say, wait until i get this cape horn vane in the fall (or rather spring of '09 for doi...
May 22, 2008 - 03:59 pm - mike, re-reading your post... you do have the 6" push rod extender for yours, right?? my understanding is that, with the extender and the arm posi...
May 22, 2008 - 09:10 pm - Brian look in the section below for the floor flange an 2" long nipple and reducer for your elevation.http://www.westsail.org/discus/messages/611/...

SIS440 Teak Caulking And Epoxy   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Nov 24, 2006 - 05:15 pm - Does anyone know if the SIS440 caulk is compatible with epoxy? I rebuilt my sliding companionway hatch and cover and after I caulk the seams I want to...
Nov 24, 2006 - 07:32 pm - Don't know for sure, but I doubt anything will harm SIS. I used cases of it to recaulk my deck. The stuff is phenomenal and i haven't found anything y...
Nov 25, 2006 - 09:20 am - Jeff,I know petroleum based sealers such as cetol and many teak dressings will cause it to break down over time. I doubt that epoxy or varnish would h...

Sliding Hatch Aluminum Extrusion   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Oct 06, 2009 - 04:03 pm - Does anyone know where to find aluminum extrusions to build the frame for a plexiglass sliding hatch?
Oct 07, 2009 - 12:16 am - Don,I'm not quite sure what you're talking about. Can you find a photo so I have a better idea what you're looking for?Hope all is well!Aaron
Oct 07, 2009 - 03:40 pm - Aluminum U channel can be found at Home Depot or most places that sell windows, frames, or glass. Just need to use flat head countersunk screws throug...
Oct 08, 2009 - 08:51 pm - Bud,I was hoping to find something that is made for this purpose so that it channels the water away and sits on top of the teak rails. I saw what I ne...
Oct 11, 2009 - 08:43 am - Don, I don't know what cross-section profile you're looking for, but check the Yellow Pages for Metal Supermarkets. It's a franchise and they stock or...
Oct 14, 2009 - 04:00 pm - Thanks Tom

Slight Ingress Of Rainwater Near Pilot Berth Shelf   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Sep 13, 2009 - 10:20 pm - After heavy rain I find a bit of water on the shelf above the pilot berth. Seems to be coming in maybe via the stanchion near the most forward shroud....
Sep 14, 2009 - 06:41 am - I have the same thing on both sides The problem is thats the low point on the bulworks/caprail so any leak will drip at that point. Just like in your ...
Sep 14, 2009 - 02:22 pm - Then I will have to inspect very carefully along the caprail-bulwark joint both inboard and outboard along its whole length. It's a nuisance, but also...
Sep 15, 2009 - 09:17 am - Teak Dorade boxes are normally installed using wood cleats screwed down to the cabintop just inside of the walls of the box. Then screws are put into ...
Sep 15, 2009 - 06:44 pm - Great. Thanks Bud. I can feel the cleats but can't fit anything in there to unscrew anything. I'll have to scrape off the paint first (already chippin...

Smelly Head   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

May 26, 2007 - 01:22 pm - I replaced the holding tank last year -- the old one was actually a flexible water bladder, and it must have leaked into the bilge for years. I got mo...
May 27, 2007 - 08:29 am - Did you replace all the hoses as well?
May 27, 2007 - 09:27 am - Hoses, clamps, the whole mess. As I said, I think it leaked for years, so a lot of stuff is probably saturated with you-know-what. I'll try some vineg...
May 27, 2007 - 04:57 pm - Once you get everything replace you can get an Ozone maker and put that in the boat as close to the compartment as possible. You'll find after a week ...

Snatch Blocks?   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Dec 11, 2004 - 06:14 pm - OK, I've got my boom off, the tracks/leads all polished up, the Spinlock rope clutches ready to mount. And I got to thinking...Bud mentions a way to a...

Solar Panel Output?   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Apr 12, 2005 - 03:28 pm - I just finished installing two Kyocera KC120's. Well, one is hooked up to the controller, the other is hung, waiting on wiring. Both are brand new pan...
Apr 12, 2005 - 06:57 pm - Never mind... I'm an idiot.I was only looking at "half" the panel output. I thought I'd measured the voltage in every permutation possible but...

Solar Panel Testing   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Oct 10, 2006 - 08:53 am - A previous owner installed solar panels on Inalla (W32), and assured me that they work. How do I go about testing them to see if they actually are sup...
Oct 10, 2006 - 08:52 pm - Terry:Total daily solar out put in AH is about 25% of the panels rating in Watts this is during a typical day.I assume you have a multi meter which ca...

Solder Iron, Etc??   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

May 18, 2008 - 03:21 pm - OK, another new skillset to learn... and toolkit to buy! I need to rip out old wiring and plug for (ancient and defunct) Tiller Master, and install ne...
May 18, 2008 - 06:04 pm - Brian,Generally connections are not made with solder in marine wiring. Soldered connections are very brittle, so mechanical (traction-type) connection...
May 18, 2008 - 08:25 pm - Thanks Aaron!
May 19, 2008 - 06:11 am - Here is a link to a great primer on marine electrical technique. http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/wire_termination
May 19, 2008 - 07:59 am - you have to solder the simrad remote control and maybe even the power plug. Although you are correct about this not being the best for certain apps, i...

Sound Reduction From Engine   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Nov 25, 2009 - 07:56 pm - Hi:Has anyone built (with Sound deadening materials on the inside) an engine box around their engine in a WS 32? can you share the photos?I'd really l...
Dec 01, 2009 - 07:02 pm - Just don't get the foam and lead. Don on Salty Dog did that years ago and after 5-10 years in the engine room the foam turned to black goo and he said...

Source For Wood Parts   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Nov 04, 2007 - 05:07 pm - I'm wondering if someone knows a skilled woodworker who would be interested in fabricating a bowsprit and boomkin. I have a zillion other things to do...

Specs For Wooden Boomkin   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Feb 26, 2008 - 10:03 pm - hey all, in about a month or so it will actually start melting up here in alaska and be time to tackle that wooden boomkin replacement...i seem to hav...
Feb 27, 2008 - 11:27 am - No need to go wider. Maybe thicker to 2-1/2". Fir with no knots is the best wood (next to the stainless steel wood that I prefer). After the wood ...
Feb 27, 2008 - 02:57 pm - Thanks Bud, I appreciate it~ Anybody have a good (and reasonable!) source for high end Fir??
Feb 27, 2008 - 04:49 pm - Found this listing on craigs list http://portland.craigslist.org/yam/mat/587619073.html
Feb 28, 2008 - 01:15 pm - You should be able to find it at a local lumber yard, but you might have to pick through a pile of boards to find an especially good one.
Feb 29, 2008 - 12:13 am - Thanks Bud- good call. BTW, what size SS bolts to bolt these pieces to the deck? And assume some stainless backing plates might be a good idea... slap...
Feb 29, 2008 - 11:44 am - Three 3/8" bolts should be fine on each side. Carriage bolts were originally used as the heads are rounded. Use some 2" or so fender washers o...
Feb 29, 2008 - 02:55 pm - As always, Bud, thanks for sharing the knowledge base.Just back from my local lumber yard, just not finding the fir I feel is of high end quality enou...
Feb 29, 2008 - 03:33 pm - I bought some very good fir a while back for my sampson posts. I wasn't cheap, but it was great wood. Very strong clear and tight grainEdensaw out wes...
Feb 29, 2008 - 03:43 pm - I got some really nice straight grain fir for my new boomkins a couple of years ago from a place in New Hampshire called Goose Bay, but again, not che...
Mar 01, 2008 - 10:22 am - There is no need to have vertical grain fir from a strength point. If it is prohibitively expensive, then use flat grain instead.
Mar 03, 2008 - 10:25 pm - I only seem to be able to find 2" x 4" (or 2" x 6") with even the specialty ($$) shops- assume these specs (2" x 4") will be s...
Mar 04, 2008 - 04:27 pm - A 2x4 is NOT a full 2" x 4". It is about 1-3/4" x 3-3/4". Not sufficient for a boomkin. Need to use 10 quarter or 12 quarter thick lum...
Mar 21, 2008 - 04:13 pm - west system 3 seems to be the right epoxy resin for this job?can anybody tell me how much to buy... it ain't cheap; comes in pint, half-gallon or gall...
Mar 21, 2008 - 07:22 pm - A pint should be enough., thin the first coat to saturate, follow instructions for three or four coats predrill holes let it run thru allow to cure sa...
Mar 22, 2008 - 08:58 am - West System and System 3 are two different brands. Either will work just fine. Buy the fast hardener but pour the mixed resin into a shallow pan to re...
Mar 22, 2008 - 05:43 pm - Just doing the boomkin myself. I picked up some fir just outside of Victoria @ http://www.westwindhardwood.com/. Same place I got the fir for my Bowsp...
Mar 23, 2008 - 10:47 am - Thanks for the tip- I went with Edensaw in Port Townsend, WA. They found a couple of sticks 3" x 5" by 6' or so which I will trim down.So, sho...
Mar 24, 2008 - 09:20 pm - I intend to use the holes aready in the deck. The load is compressive along the length of the boomkin. I used the same holes on the Bowsprit. I would ...
May 22, 2008 - 12:22 am - Rogdodger, you are a fellow B.C.'er! We are at Shelter Island, Richmond with our W32 flushdeck #244. We "might" have to replace our sprit, hav...

Spreader Length   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Nov 06, 2007 - 12:11 pm - Could someone please tell me the spreader length for a W32...Thanks!
Nov 06, 2007 - 03:37 pm - each spreader is 57 inches including the 1 inch fitting for the upper shroud. having not alot to do this afternoon i measured them and since i have bo...
Nov 06, 2007 - 04:22 pm - Thanks Jeff!

Ss Boomkin Rocks!   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

May 25, 2008 - 04:03 pm - just had to share, finally got out last night with some decent wind and tested out this new stainless boomkin- it rocks, bud! elegant, simple and stro...
May 25, 2008 - 09:53 pm - Great, Brian!! We have a unique stern with our flushdeck, so cannot fit on a boomkin like Bud's without major adapting. We have a coaming all the way ...
May 26, 2008 - 07:26 am - Shan and Fran,I'm under the impression that the stainless boomkin attaches to the sides of the hull and thus clears the aft deck. It seems that it wou...
May 26, 2008 - 10:38 am - Tom's right, two pads attach via 4 bolts just below the caprail to the hull- minimally invasive, now I just have to decide what to do with all that de...

Stainless Bowsprit Installation   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Aug 08, 2009 - 10:41 am - Next up is the installation of the new stainless bowsprit. It seems pretty straight forward but then I often think that before doing something stupid....
Aug 08, 2009 - 11:58 am - Tom,Check your Westsail Owner's Manual (Bud's) again. I'm sure he has a section on the installation of the bowsprit.I haven't installed one, but I did...
Aug 08, 2009 - 12:47 pm - We installed the stainless bowsprit last year. Piece of cake! 1. Make sure you have filled the holes (3) with epoxy. Keeps out water and gives the bol...
Aug 08, 2009 - 10:00 pm - Aaron, there are instructions for the tubular pipe bowsprit but not the box bowsprit.Ken, thanks for the info. I'm on the hard, the mast is down and I...
Oct 15, 2009 - 02:10 pm - There is a greenish weeping from several of the bolts that hold the rudder. Any idea what causes this and the cure?
Oct 26, 2009 - 09:55 am - Those bolts should be bronze, and a green weeping is pretty much normal for bronze underwater.

Stanchion Mounting.   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Nov 24, 2007 - 10:17 pm - Can some please tell me if the stanchions on the older W32's are through bolted or lagged down....Cheers,Gary
Nov 25, 2007 - 08:40 am - They should be thru bolted either all the way through the gunwale or through the inside face.
Nov 25, 2007 - 09:18 am - Did I say Gunwale obviously I meant bulwarks.
Nov 25, 2007 - 10:35 am - Thanks Tom
Nov 25, 2007 - 12:00 pm - On some of the very first boats the stanchions were set on top of the caprail, with a piece extending down in a hole drilled through the caprail and t...
Nov 25, 2007 - 03:12 pm - Thanks Bud -Our boat is allready closed up and an early one (119) and no stanchion bolting holes.I guess we will have to use carriage bolts through th...
Nov 30, 2007 - 08:03 am - Gary and Charlotte,I am currently refitting / refurbishing WSSK03760475 (Jenny Leigh) and have evaluated for the same question / problem.My stanchion?...
Nov 30, 2007 - 10:12 am - Hi Steve -How far down from the bottom of the caprail does your sheerclamp extend? It might be that yours is a newer design than ours...I don't have t...
Nov 30, 2007 - 10:36 am - Gary, Since yours is one of the early boats made with the first hull and deck molds, it has a wooden sheerclamp, so you cannot bolt the stanchions to ...
Nov 30, 2007 - 11:13 am - Thanks Bud!

Standing Rigging   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Mar 10, 2008 - 09:37 pm - I'm a relatively new owner of W28, the ex-Alex Dorsey's Namaste.The standing rigging is only 5 years old but I've spotted at least 2 broken strands an...
Mar 10, 2008 - 11:18 pm - Wojciech (how is that pronounced and what is the origin?),I've worked on a few tallships as mate, all of which had galvanized wire rope for standing r...
Mar 10, 2008 - 11:48 pm - Aaron,Thanks for your comments. I am half convinced back to SS. Let's see what others have got to say.PS. Wojciech (or Wojtek) can best be pronounced ...

STARBOARD   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Dec 14, 2007 - 01:09 pm - I am about to install new seacocks and would like to use 'STARBOARD' in place of epoxy treated plywood. Has anyone else tried this material and/or wil...
Dec 14, 2007 - 03:26 pm - I haven't tried it but I am told it is very slippery and doesn't take adhesives well. A better choice would be preformed fiberglass boards. They are a...
Dec 14, 2007 - 04:19 pm - I used it on my above waterline seacocks. Only because I saw it used at the boat show on all the seacocks. I wouldn't worry about using it below the w...
Dec 16, 2007 - 11:23 am - I gave thought about how the material is so resistent to adhesives but since it will be bolted down and bedded in caulk it shoukd work. On the other h...
Dec 17, 2007 - 11:44 am - I used some other plastic stuff I got in florida that is like starboard but it is black and rougher. Sea Ray uses it in their cored hulls in spot that...
Dec 19, 2007 - 03:05 pm - Rich, I'm going to pull and rebed all my thru hulls and would like to know what it is. No hurry though, since I probably won't get to that until March...

Stepping The Mast   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Dec 02, 2004 - 06:59 pm - I just purchased my Westsail 32 last week. I see that my tabernacle mast was screwed in with large lag screws not bolted into place. Is this the norm?...
Dec 03, 2004 - 06:35 am - Hey John Congratulations on your purchase. Mine is through bolted with stainless backing plates. I have no idea if this is the norm or not since mine ...
Dec 04, 2004 - 12:41 pm - John, I agree that the lag screws should prevent lateral movement. My concern would be with the integrity of the plywood base beneath the mast. There ...
Dec 10, 2004 - 09:05 pm - Thanks for the help with this question. I am sure this is only the first of many questions I will have for the Msg Board. It's a great resource to hav...
Oct 22, 2007 - 07:43 pm - We are about to have our mast re-stepped, and are wondering if we should brave it and drill out larger holes, fill with epoxy, and then re-drill small...
Oct 22, 2007 - 07:45 pm - PS: where do the aft bolts go: do they screw into a deck beam? We are just about to scrape paint from deck beam to see, but just thought we'd ask that...
May 22, 2008 - 12:36 am - Nevermind, we see we are replying to old posts, basically talking to ourselves! ;-) Anyways, for what it's worth: we are replacing the mast compressio...

Suggestion For Threading New Halyards Through Masthead Sheaves??   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Apr 03, 2008 - 07:48 pm - OK, climbed my mast today, all ready to install newmain and jib halyards... But aborted at the last minutebecause I just wasn't sure that, having pull...
Apr 03, 2008 - 09:29 pm - I don't know if I have the picture completely, but if your old halyards are still in place and running through their sheaves, you can cut the splice a...
Apr 03, 2008 - 09:33 pm - No problem climbing the mast, I've got steps~And don't want to cut off the splices on the old halyards as they are still in fair shape, good for back-...
Apr 03, 2008 - 09:34 pm - Incidently, while we're on the subject.. Anybody know what material these original mast sheaves are made of? (hull # 553, 10/75)
Apr 04, 2008 - 04:20 am - sew small line to old halyard. Pull. sew line to new halyard. pull.Just a couple stitches of heavy sail thread. Some tape to keep in in line.

Switching From One Water Tank To Another   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Apr 20, 2009 - 12:32 pm - I kept running out of water quickly and realized that the after water tank remained full while the forward water tank emptied. I turned off the valves...
Apr 20, 2009 - 02:47 pm - You need to turn off the supply from the dry tank. The pump is drawing air from the empty tank instead of water from the full one.

Synthetic Rigging   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jan 11, 2010 - 01:35 pm - I wonder how much weight can be trimmed from my 43 ketch rig.Does the owner of the boat post on WOA?http://southboundcruising.com/id4.html
Jan 11, 2010 - 04:59 pm - Would you even notice the loss of 100 lbs?
Jan 11, 2010 - 05:41 pm - It's not so much the loss of a hundred or so pounds, it's the loss if the weight high in the boat. I would think you'd notice it in righting effort an...
Jan 11, 2010 - 07:32 pm - What happened to the bow pulpit?
Jan 12, 2010 - 07:46 am - This boat is VERY close to the way a westsail should look. Notice the bowsprit is longer too, the new mainsail has a full foot and loads of roach, to ...
Jan 12, 2010 - 01:08 pm - I have wondered about the desirability of a longer bowsprit, but I did not know that anyone had actually tried one. I must be missing something from t...
Jan 12, 2010 - 01:12 pm - Brian - you mentioned in a post a year or so ago that your boat developed excessive lee helm.Do you think lengthening the bowsprit will exacerbate thi...
Jan 12, 2010 - 01:17 pm - I was wondering about the furler as well. Does the Dynex Dux chafe easily? Rolling the foil around it will wear it......Other than that, are conventio...
Jan 12, 2010 - 02:31 pm - The following is from http://www.colligomarine.com/Colligo-Synthetic-SystemsDynex Dux FAQ?sIsn?t Dynex Dux too stretchy for standing rigging applicati...
Jan 12, 2010 - 02:38 pm - I've been spending some off time here in Iraq researching the list of projects for when I get home.The Dux rigging has been around for a couple of yea...
Jan 12, 2010 - 02:47 pm - http://www.colligomarine.com/Retailers.htm
Jan 13, 2010 - 12:32 pm - My boat has lee helm due to no engine or replacement ballast and hence the wrong hull trim, I have determined. It is also exacerbated by a roach less ...
Jan 13, 2010 - 02:43 pm - I have a number of good shots of the Wireless Westsail. Estimates 125lb. removed from up high. As you can see, bowsprit, boomkin, everything went wire...
Jan 13, 2010 - 03:05 pm - This is a better, to replace the first link, allows the photos to all load at once (I think)http://tiny.cc/YVFAB
Jan 16, 2010 - 06:13 am - Sales are bulk (200 meter spool)11mmx200M goes for $2,923.92http://www.dynexdux.com/index.cfm
Jan 16, 2010 - 05:04 pm - Good article here on the Westsail in Annapolishttp://tiny.cc/zDdNy
Jan 17, 2010 - 12:26 pm - I have to admit that I am a bit put off by the esthetic of the Dynex Dux and the fittings on the Annapolis boat--it just looks too plastic for my tast...
Jan 17, 2010 - 01:13 pm - Here is an archived article from spar talk with regards to the deadeyes and wood choices so as to avoid the plastic look.http://www.briontoss.com/spar...
Jan 17, 2010 - 01:23 pm - Some info about Ipehttp://www.ipedepot.com/techinfo.htm

Tabernacle - Mast Lowering   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jan 16, 2008 - 01:01 am - Hello -I'd like to try lowering the mast on my Westsail 28. I have a tabernacle base. I've looked at Bud's manual. One issue I'm having is that the up...
Jan 16, 2008 - 05:37 pm - Josh: check with Bud. A few years back, at a certain Westsail rendezvous, a video was made of a mast lowering on a W32. It could be similar on the W28...
Jan 21, 2008 - 09:04 pm - Josh, Keep us posted on your progress with mast lowering. I'm thinking about lowering and removing the mast on my W28 as well. The main idea is to a.)...
Jan 22, 2008 - 06:05 am - I had a 32 and did this a few times. Always moved it forward to go through the waterway in Port Myacha (sp).The manual I had showed a double turnbuckl...
Jan 22, 2008 - 08:16 am - Thanks, Dave. Bud is going to send me the DVD showing the whole operation when he gets back from vacation. Everything should be much clearer after I w...

Taylors 041 Propane Gas Cooker   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Mar 15, 2006 - 11:03 am - I would like to service the Taylors 041 propane cooker/stove that my WS32 came with. I am in need of a copy of the service/installation manual. This m...
Mar 15, 2006 - 06:45 pm - Should you find one, it would be good of ya to copy and send it to the web guy so he can put it in a pdf for the members section. Sorry I don't have o...
Mar 16, 2006 - 07:35 am - I will do. Where is the pdf section in the members area? I have other electronic copies of manuals that might be of intertest to WS owners.

Teak Between Caprail And Rubrail   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Nov 10, 2008 - 09:42 am - I know some would think me insane for even considering this, but after seeing the website with the W32 covered in teak (Coyote?) I have been consideri...

Teak Deck Caulking   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jan 21, 2008 - 06:57 pm - We just completed refinishing and sealing my teak decks and i am very happy with the results. However, I have some caulking issues that need to be res...
Jan 21, 2008 - 07:09 pm - I have just finished a complete deck reseaming on our 32. Teak Decking Systems product was what I utilized. If you tell me what your email address is ...
Jan 21, 2008 - 07:09 pm - I have just finished a complete deck reseaming on our 32. Teak Decking Systems product was what I utilized. If you tell me what your email address is ...
Jan 21, 2008 - 08:46 pm - send ur info and pics to dlmont2@aol.comthanks for the help
Jan 22, 2008 - 12:38 pm - I also recommend the SIS 440 caulking from Teak Decking Systems. The procedure is described on Page D-6 of my current Westsail Service Manual.

Teak Guard   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Nov 22, 2008 - 01:17 pm - Has anyone used Teak Guard, particularly for outside work? How does it resist weathering and UV? Does it chip or peal, or just wear away? Does it have...

Teak Guard - WARNING   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Nov 22, 2009 - 07:54 pm - I've used Teak Guard on a deck with disasterous results. When first applied the surfaces looked lovely but after the first rain the lovely turned to h...
Nov 22, 2009 - 10:27 pm - Sorry your approach did not work out. Glad I went with natural finsih on my job. The natural finish gives great nonskid.Since rebuilding my laz. hatch...
Nov 25, 2009 - 10:51 pm - Update: It turns out there are two products of almost identical name: Teak Guard or Teak-Guard is an Aussie product and is the one I used, with images...

Teak Lazarette Hatch Rebuild Project Report   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Sep 12, 2009 - 07:28 pm - Well,It's done. The teak lazarette hatch needed a redo. So, it got one.This was an introduction into the work involved in reworking the teak decks on ...
Sep 12, 2009 - 07:36 pm - I give up! at least for now on image postings.
Sep 13, 2009 - 12:58 pm - Randy,You have to remember to resize the photos to a smaller size. Not more than 640 wide. Download a free program named PIXresizer. Works very well t...

Thru-Hull & Sea Cocks   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Dec 10, 2005 - 02:35 pm - I am in the process of replacing the thru-hull and seacock for the sink drain in the head. Instead of screwing the new thru hull into another seacock,...
Dec 10, 2005 - 05:27 pm - I recommend connecting the sink drain to the water inlet of the head. Use a T fitting at the seacock. This way you have one less thruhull to worry abo...
Oct 03, 2006 - 07:16 pm - My W32 has an unused/unconnected seacock (3/4") in the fwd locker under the starboard pilot berth. Does anyone have any idea what the heck it migh...
Oct 04, 2006 - 02:37 am - Maybe someone was planning a fore-peak water heater? or an anchor washdown hose? Sila's suggestions...
Oct 04, 2006 - 01:07 pm - Any good waterproof grease will work. Try wheel bearing grease used for boat trailers. No need to pull and rebed the seacocks, unless they are leaking...
Oct 14, 2006 - 07:12 pm - On my boat that seacock in the fwd locker on the stbd side besides providing flushing water for the head also supplied seawater to a hand pump in the ...
Oct 20, 2006 - 07:19 pm - Craig, that makes sense, but I can't find any evidence that any plumbing lines were ever run from the locker. I may just glass over the hole since in ...
Aug 08, 2009 - 06:06 pm - I've serviced my original Groco seacocks and would like to replace the rather nasty looking polypropylene tailpieces but I'll be $#(*& if I ca...
Aug 08, 2009 - 07:18 pm - Forget the last post! While looking for new vented loops I found that Groco still makes the bronze tailpieces! Thank heavens. I shouldn't be mixing br...
Aug 18, 2009 - 04:29 pm - The seacocks in my boat were thoroughly inspected and serviced last year. I did all the work. One was replaced by me (big tough job), rubber cone and ...

Thru-hulls   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Feb 26, 2006 - 09:19 am - Just back from the yard and started the task of changing out thru-hulls. Bronze definately has a service life and 35 years seems to be it. With that s...
Feb 26, 2006 - 04:28 pm - Hi Joe and Debbie,I removed all my through hulls last year as I put a new epoxy barrier coat to my hull. It was a big job but came out great. It was r...
Mar 12, 2007 - 05:56 am - The weather has been cooperating here so I finally went down and started the dreaded "thru hull replacement" project that is on my list for th...
Mar 14, 2007 - 06:13 am - Here are a couple pictures of the removal sockets that I made. Basically you find a socket that will fit snugly into the bore (3/4" OD socket for ...
Mar 15, 2007 - 09:00 am - Hey Michael,Your link to the pics point to your own hard drive. Unless you allow us to somehow directly access your 'puter remotely we can't see 'em.A...
Mar 15, 2007 - 12:14 pm - Posting Michael McDiarmid's photos:
Jun 30, 2008 - 11:09 pm - I hope 35 years is not the end of the seacock's life as mine are 34 years old and I plan to lubricate, inspect and reinstall them. But, I will now app...

Tiller Repair   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Nov 15, 2009 - 11:25 pm - My laminated tiller is beginning to delaminate. Right now it's painted and cracks are showing along some of the boundaries between the different types...
Nov 16, 2009 - 06:11 am - I had the same problem about 4 years ago. I used thickened West System epoxy and "glued" it all back together (clamped until hardened). Then i...
Nov 16, 2009 - 09:21 am - After glueing the tiller back together, apply a couple of coats of saturating epoxy resin before varnishing.You should also use a fabric sock to cover...
Nov 16, 2009 - 06:44 pm - Thanks both for the advice. Sounds simple and effective.Ralph
Dec 24, 2009 - 05:31 pm - Is the saturating epoxy resin one part or two? The tiller is reglued, sanded, and ready for finish. It's the only exterior part on which I intend to u...
Dec 24, 2009 - 06:17 pm - Saturating epoxy resin is two part, and has the consistency of water, so it will saturate into the grain of the wood. You can also take some standard ...
Dec 25, 2009 - 09:50 am - The epoxy will degrade if you don't varnish over it. Not necessarily the laminations, but if you just leave the saturating resin on it the sun will br...
Dec 25, 2009 - 11:48 am - Many thanks for the help. Probably best to wash it well with acetone to remove oil before applying the epoxy.
Dec 25, 2009 - 06:26 pm - Ralph,I read somewhere (Gudgeon Brothers of West Systems, I think) that cutting epoxy with acetone will wet out the wood grain better but whatever per...
Dec 25, 2009 - 10:54 pm - Scott,What I was referring to was the need to remove oils (specifically teak oil) from the wood before applying penetrating epoxy, the aim being to re...
Jan 03, 2010 - 03:31 pm - Ralph,Actually I was responding to Buds post just above yours, he mentions a thinner, ie acetone, added to standard epoxy. You are absolutely right ab...

Tri Lens Radar Reflector   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Apr 03, 2006 - 07:32 am - Before I Step the mast this season I will mount a TriLens Radar reflector on my mast. http://www.tri-lens.com/trilensweb12002001.htmI will also in the...

Tube Through Tabernacle Base For Mast Wiring   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jul 16, 2008 - 12:45 pm - We are about to mount our base for the first time and have to come up with a way to get the wiring through the deck. I was thinking of using a hose of...
Jul 17, 2008 - 06:29 am - The epoxy won't eat it but it may not seal very well to it. Rough the hose up a bit and the epoxy may stick. You can always follow up with a bit of ca...
Jul 17, 2008 - 12:35 pm - Thanks Tom
Jul 17, 2008 - 08:55 pm - you'd do better to lead the wires out the mast just above deck, through a fitting on the spar, then through the deck next to the mast step, through an...
Jul 17, 2008 - 10:37 pm - The original owner of my boat seemed to have a pretty good connection in the form of sockets mounted in the mast step (see photo below). Only problem ...
Jul 17, 2008 - 11:12 pm - That is an amphenol connector George - you should be able to get one at Newark electronics easily. Pretty good idea.
Jul 17, 2008 - 11:26 pm - http://www.amphenol-aerospace.com/new/pdf/12-020-18_MS5015.pdf
Jul 20, 2008 - 01:01 am - Gary, thank you for the information. Guess I had better deal with those connectors before I raise the mast.George
Jul 20, 2008 - 08:47 am - except that any connector of that sort will corroded and leave your mast electrics not working at all in short order. using di-electric grease will he...
Jul 21, 2008 - 08:47 am - George - you can get plastic fittings with stainless pins....or stainless bodies as well
Aug 08, 2008 - 08:48 am - Brian - this is a tabernacle base...lots of space under the mast.How do you suggest making the hole watertight?
Aug 08, 2008 - 07:05 pm - umm, how do I attach photos...?
Aug 08, 2008 - 07:15 pm - At the bottom of this page, click on Help/Instructions. There you'll find the directions for posting pictures.
Aug 10, 2008 - 12:53 am - You could e-mail the pictures to me Brian .....Thanks
Aug 27, 2008 - 12:21 pm - Ended up tapping a 1" hole in the tabernacle base and then screwing a 1" to 1.1/8" pipe barb into it. Put hose on top of that and bent the...

Turtle   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jan 19, 2006 - 10:43 am - Somewhere I read that there is (or was) a female mold for constructing a fiberglass turtle for the main hatch. I seem to recall the article said this ...
Jan 21, 2006 - 11:59 am - Alec Jensen in Oregon did have access to a fiberglass turtle mold. His address is 2525 Mossy Brae Road, West Lynn, OR 97068.
Jan 22, 2006 - 08:45 pm - Can I ask what a turtle is?
Jan 23, 2006 - 04:40 pm - TerenceIt is a fiberglass cover over the main hatch. This is a link to Mariah's website. the turtle is the fiberglass structure just forward of the do...
Jan 24, 2006 - 07:19 am - Thanks Jeff.

Two Part Adhesive Products Rule   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Aug 25, 2009 - 04:16 pm - Seen a lot of notes about difficulties of mixing two part glues, caulks, resins, etc....I don't agree. The little bit of time spent Reading Labels, an...

W28 Wooden Mast: Paint Or Varnish?   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Oct 26, 2005 - 12:53 am - I recently purchased my first sailboat, a W28, and am about to refinish the wooden mast and am considering the benefits of painting it as opposed to v...
Oct 26, 2005 - 08:53 am - WarrenCongrats on your new boat. I used to have a Cheoy Lee with two wooden masts. I had the boat about three years and the varnish on the mast was st...
Oct 26, 2005 - 05:00 pm - Hi Warren, Good luck with your new Westie! Our Kendall 32 has a wooden mast, and we have chosen to keep it varnished so that any signs of rot or decay...
Oct 28, 2005 - 09:11 am - Thanks for your replies! Very helpful. All of my deck brightwork has been varnished to a high shine and doing so to the mast is the way I'll go. Being...
Oct 31, 2005 - 03:03 pm - Thanks for the topic! I've got a wooden mast on my gaff-rigged W32 which is badly in need of a complete refinish. I would be interested in hearing of ...
Nov 12, 2005 - 08:03 am - If for no other reason, having the top of a wooden mast painted white is it is just so 'shippy' looking
Nov 12, 2005 - 10:44 am - Hey Mike, great to hear from you... where in the world are you?

W28- Rudder Fix   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Nov 22, 2006 - 06:09 pm - The rudder on my 1976 Hull #11 W28 weeps from the top gudgeon and has "zippers" along both the leading and training edge, where the fiberglass...
Nov 24, 2006 - 11:03 am - Warren, You rudder has fiberglass skins over a foam core. The skins were laminated in a mold, the mold closed up, and the foam injected. The parting l...
Nov 25, 2006 - 10:15 am - Bud, Thanks so much for the info about what appears to be a very simple fix. She's on the hard for the winter, so she should be dry by the spring.
Nov 25, 2006 - 03:41 pm - Warren:You might try to drill a couple of 1/4" holes in the bottom to assist in the draining (just epoxy over them when doing the rest of the glas...

W32 Bronze Gudgeons   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jan 08, 2010 - 05:10 pm - Has anyone on the board replaced the older style stainless gudgeons and pintles with bronze?If those moulds were still available I would be a very hap...
Jan 10, 2010 - 08:32 am - Gary,I, also, am interested in a bronze replacement for the stainless gudgeons and pintles on my 1974 Westsail 32. Maybe, if enough interest is shown,...
Jan 10, 2010 - 10:27 am - Ennis - is your boat currently out of the water? If it is, the stainless ones could be used to make a mold and someone like port Townsend foundry coul...
Jan 10, 2010 - 03:40 pm - Gary,Yes, my boat is out of the water and I have removed the gudgeons and pintles. I have taken them to a machine shop and am waiting on a quote for r...
Jan 10, 2010 - 07:18 pm - Ennis - any chance you have a picture of your ss gudgeons and pintles?Do you have the old rounded rudder? I think the newer rudder might have differen...

W32 Mast Rebuild   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jul 18, 2007 - 05:55 pm - What is the best grease to use on the mast head sheave bushings? Any pearls on this post subject would be greatly appreciated. THANKS

W32 Mast Rebuild   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jul 18, 2007 - 05:59 pm - What is the best grease to use on the mast head sheave bushings? Any pearls on this post subject would be greatly appreciated. THANKS

W32 Standing Rigging Questions   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jan 18, 2005 - 07:27 am - Hello allCan some kind person please advise the following.Grade of Stainless Steel used in the standing rigging? (316 or 314 - or if not - what )??Apx...
Feb 21, 2005 - 01:24 am - 1) Grade of SS wire rope depends on the source of the wire rope.2) Buy Bud's "Westsail Service Manual". If you are serious about buying a boat...
Feb 21, 2005 - 08:03 am - I'd recommend Bud's 'Construction CD' as well. For $10 it's a heck of a reference (and has both standing & running rigging schedule on it as well)
Feb 22, 2005 - 05:32 am - Hello guys, thanks for the input. I had the service manual, but it didn;t have the info I needed, since then I have got the construction manual from B...
Feb 22, 2005 - 05:33 am - Hello guys, thanks for the input. I had the service manual, but it didn't have the info I needed, since then I have got the construction manual from B...
Sep 22, 2008 - 05:59 am - I went out in a fairly stiff breeze the other day, and when I got back to the slip I noticed that the headstay was a little slack. The backstay is not...
Sep 22, 2008 - 11:21 am - Check the condition of the cap on the end of the bowsprit. If it is angled up instead of being straight, that would indicate the wood under it has fai...
Sep 22, 2008 - 12:29 pm - also check to see if the bowsprit moved aft.
Sep 26, 2008 - 01:25 pm - The bowsprit seems fine. I am wondering if I should check the masthead end of the headstay.Thanks
Sep 26, 2008 - 04:41 pm - Duh! You need to check everything. Check the bowsprit end cap. I did that move a hair into the sprit? Check everything that connect to the sprit and c...
Sep 27, 2008 - 04:13 pm - Here's looking at you, babe !!!
Sep 27, 2008 - 08:02 pm - Take the cap off, and you never know what you'll find
Sep 27, 2008 - 08:45 pm - that's the bowsprit from Sterling Walker's boat isn't it.I remember looking at it at the east coast rendezvous.Scary stuff. Makes you like tight grain...

W32 Stern Arch - Boom Gallows   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

May 09, 2009 - 07:04 pm - Here is a link with photos of the progress made to date on the Stern Arch - Boom Gallows for Mary Rose VPlease leave your comments either here or ther...

W32 Windlass Mount   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jul 16, 2009 - 10:45 am - I'm about to install my windlass for the first time and wondering if anyone here used an alternative to the teak support risers that westsail used... ...
Jul 16, 2009 - 01:04 pm - Gary, I have made up windlass brackets before. A flat plate to mount the windlass on, and two side pieces welded on to straddle the wood bowsprit. Eit...
Jul 16, 2009 - 02:15 pm - Yes that sounds good Bud. Any chance you have some pictures?
Jul 16, 2009 - 06:47 pm - Here is a picture of one mounted using heavy aluminum plates. I would recommend using thinner stainless plates instead.
Jul 17, 2009 - 09:51 am - What thickness would be sufficient do you think? It looks like it could be set down a little lower as well.... that one fails in the aesthetically ple...
Jul 17, 2009 - 10:31 am - I would say 1/8" or 3/16" thick stainless. It is set up to so that the nuts holding the windlass to the plate will clear the top of the bowspr...
Jul 17, 2009 - 01:44 pm - Doesn't that mounting ruin the fair lead of the anchor line to the Samson posts? Isn't the anchor line always chafing on the windlass sides?
Jul 18, 2009 - 10:22 am - Seems if that plate was too close to the bowsprit it would trap water leading to rot. Ken

W42 Deck Thickness   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jun 19, 2007 - 09:53 am - What is the deck thickness of the W42 in the area where a bow anchor windlass would be installed?
Jun 19, 2007 - 01:21 pm - About 1", plus any backing plate on the underside.

W42 Owners: How Do You Like Your Steering Setup?   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jul 13, 2008 - 08:05 am - We are getting ready to install the steering on our 42 and I am working out the final parameters.Couple questions for your 42 owners:How many revoluti...
Jul 13, 2008 - 12:47 pm - Our Wheel turns 5 revolutions from stop to stop.Only change we are going to do to Wheel System is to relocate Instrumentation to the Wheel.SV Summer S...
Jul 15, 2008 - 03:29 pm - Rob,I'll try to remember the lock to lock (Off the top of my head I think it's 2 3/4 turns) and check tomorrow. I don't have any idea of the max rudde...
Jul 16, 2008 - 09:35 am - Dave, I look forward to more info.I talked to a designer and he indicated 2 1/2 turns, lock to lock and a 36 inch wheel seem to be the "typical...
Jul 16, 2008 - 05:54 pm - Rob,I checked and it is 2 1/2 turns lock to lock. The wheel is 32". I personally wouldn't want to go any larger cause of movement in the cockpit. ...

W42 Owners: Where Are Your Zincs?   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Aug 10, 2007 - 08:38 am - And what size/type are they?I have been giving some thought on where to locate them on ours. Another W42 (#7) in our local yard has NO ZINCS, but only...
Aug 10, 2007 - 01:27 pm - Rob, Normally I recommend one on the shaft, one on the bronze rudder gudgeon, and one on the bobstay fitting if it is in the water.

Water Tanks Pulled In A Jiffy, Yippee!   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Dec 06, 2008 - 01:45 pm - I am so proud of me. I just had to share this story.There is an easy job on the boat. It is to pull the water tanks. Here's how I just did it, pulling...
Dec 07, 2008 - 10:56 pm - Congratulations on that NEW boat you are acquiring, Randy. I guess everybody that has done refit (to most any degree) of a boat has encountered the sa...
Dec 09, 2008 - 09:27 am - Hey George,Thanks for the note. It's really awesome to have the bilges, pumps, and teak strips out and the bilge recoated. Then put a second coat of p...

Water Tanks, Bilge, Etc...!   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Feb 29, 2008 - 10:04 pm - ok, i seem to have two SS water tanks taking up most ofthe bilge- in fact there is standing water underneath most of the time and a fair amount of rus...
Feb 29, 2008 - 11:36 pm - Brian,When we recently pulled our two SS tanks, we found them coated in fiberglass and full of pin holes, probably from bleaching and sitting in a pud...
Mar 01, 2008 - 12:33 am - Hey Aaron, that all sounds very much like what was starting to form in my head crawling around down there today- great to hear that someone else had t...
Mar 01, 2008 - 03:43 pm - Just back from the boat with a tape measure- the larger of these two freshwater tanks is 11" x 19" (top and bottom width) x 14 1/2" tall x...

Weeping Bobstay Fitting (chainplate? Stem Fitting??)   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

May 15, 2009 - 10:59 pm - Not sure what this chainplate is called- the page seems to be missing from my copy of the W32 Construction manual... but where the bobstay connects to...
May 15, 2009 - 11:27 pm - Brian,This is an issue. If water is making its way through the glass and into the boat, the bobstay tang is probably slightly loose. Next time you hav...
May 16, 2009 - 12:20 am - Aaron, this is NOT what I wanted to hear!! (grin) Thanks~ Option A sounds about right... Though, is there any real reason to cover up the interior por...
May 16, 2009 - 07:30 am - I would use some caulking and caulk the thing well. The shape of it would not let it come out of the boat. (I replaced mine so I know).if it is not lo...
May 16, 2009 - 09:32 am - Thanks Rich, I actually did just find a section on this in Bud's **WONDERFUL** service manual! (Poor Bud, reads these posts and wants ...
May 16, 2009 - 10:58 am - you really don't need 5200. 101 or boatlife is fine. Just take a screwdriver or chruch key and dig everything loose out and fill it up with a paintabl...
May 16, 2009 - 10:59 am - BTW, I replaced the bent one after ordering it from bud. I meant to say that the old one was not corroded and it had been leaking a bit.good luck
May 17, 2009 - 03:29 pm - Why not check page A-8 of my Westsail Service Manual?
May 17, 2009 - 05:09 pm - Hey Bud, thanks for jumping in here- But you must not have read my full post above: 'I actually did just find a section on this in Bud's **WON...
May 17, 2009 - 05:12 pm - One last question: Assume the hull is solid glass at that point- roughly how thick?
May 18, 2009 - 09:43 am - The bow is probably about 1-1/4" thick at that point. You can see the line on the piece that I posted that was removed due to electrolysis. That's...
May 18, 2009 - 10:21 am - Thanks Bud- yes, I am a religious zincer~ (??)
Sep 13, 2009 - 09:03 pm - Hey all, OK, after rebedding with boat life, 10 days to cure and some more sailing... Still wheeps/leaks up there. I guess I have a project in the spr...
Sep 14, 2009 - 12:15 pm - I've done it, and it is hard, but doable. Cut away some of the chain locker bulkhead under the berthtop, and you should be able to reach the fiberglas...
Sep 14, 2009 - 08:30 pm - thanks bud, hauling out for bottom paint etc in the spring and will get a closer look at things then...

What Caulk For Caprails?   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jun 30, 2008 - 11:21 pm - Found out my W32 has failed caulking on some stretches of the outboard port side in some places. Am digging it out for replacement. Do I want to use 5...
Jun 30, 2008 - 11:30 pm - Just found a reference on Ask Bud's board that 5200 is recommended for anyone that may wish to remove the caprail and recaulk. I don't want to do all ...
Jul 01, 2008 - 02:14 am - Randy,5200 is a pretty permanent adhesive. About the only places I can think of 5200 being the caulking/adhesive of choice would be the hull/deck join...
Jul 01, 2008 - 02:24 am - I read someone's account (maybe s/v Galena) that removed the caprail, cleaned out the old caulk, filled the joint between the hull and deck with 5200 ...
Jul 01, 2008 - 05:57 am - I too did exactly what George did. Still happy w/ it 4 years later. But when the caprail was off we checked each bolt and if it was loose pulled it an...
Jul 01, 2008 - 09:32 pm - We used SIS 440 from Teak decking systems (white) and we are very happy with the results. http://www.teakdecking.com/products.htm
Jul 06, 2008 - 09:12 am - Thanks for all the help.I'll go with George's 3m 4200 since I already have some at hand. I completely agree that 5200 is inappropriate after contempla...
Jul 11, 2008 - 09:05 am - Just for everyone's information, I've decided to go with Boat-Life caulk instead of 4200 for the caprails. Boat life is a polysulfide, whereas 4200 is...

Wheel Steering   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Mar 14, 2005 - 11:38 am - Has anyone converted a 32 to wheel steering? Cable or worm, I wouldn't consider hydraulic.
Mar 17, 2005 - 03:15 pm - I believe there are plans for it in some of the workshop drawings. However, I don't know of anyone who has done this.
Mar 17, 2005 - 11:32 pm - The W-32 BRASS ELK, later named COYOTE, later named DOVE, had wheel steering. It was a cable system. Two arms were mounted to the rudder. The cables r...
Mar 18, 2005 - 10:02 am - Dave,My last boat, a Rhodes 36 had worm steering which had been installed by the previous owner, the first thing I did when I got the boat was to chan...
Mar 19, 2005 - 07:34 pm - When shopping for my boat, I looked at a Westsail32 that had been converted to wheel steering. It was a cable setup with wires attached to a truncated...
Mar 21, 2005 - 09:37 am - roger that, I believe cable steering could be done in such a way that all you saw was the pedastal and wheel, but I agree, worm steering would be my f...

Where Is Your Shore Power Inlet Located?   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Feb 11, 2007 - 02:35 pm - While I'm at it, I want to install a shore power inlet so one fine day I'll be able to luxuriate with AC, refigeration, etc. while at the dock taking ...
Feb 11, 2007 - 02:58 pm - Aloha Fred:Mine is located just aft of the winches on the port side Bulworks 3" under the top of the caprail (works OK+/-) I bought the pannel...
Feb 11, 2007 - 03:08 pm - Mine's on the starboard side just aft of the winch, on the bullwark. Some of the boats I've sailed (not Westsails) have their AC hookup in locations w...
Feb 12, 2007 - 07:04 am - Mine is located on the starboard bullwark just aft of the boom gallows. I like it as it is totally out of the way.
Feb 19, 2007 - 10:12 am - Ours is in the cockpit well, on the port side of the forward bulkhead of the well. It is out of the way because we are tied up on the stbd side but I ...
Feb 19, 2007 - 11:49 am - Thanks for the input, I was thinking about locating it on the starboard side of the cockpit well because there is already a hole there that had a clam...
Feb 20, 2007 - 11:32 am - I wouldn't want a big wire running into the cockpit if I could help it. I think I'd put it on the bulwark. The hole can be patched or something else p...
Feb 22, 2007 - 06:09 am - Mine is located on the stbd bulwark, basically midway between the gallows and its support rail. I really can't think of anywhere else I'd want/prefer ...

Which Silicone For Portlight Glass?   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Dec 15, 2007 - 03:32 pm - I'm in the process of installing new portlight glass and was wondering which product to use to seal the glass inside the bezel. There was previously a...
Dec 16, 2007 - 09:52 am - Any black silicone should work fine. We just went to Home Depot and picked up some that had good UV resistance and used that. Haven't had any issues o...

Wilcox Crittenden Head Rebuilt Report   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jun 03, 2009 - 03:30 pm - Wilcox Crittenden Skipper 8 head rebuilt this week with full kit.This turned out to be a project. Thankfully, it was possible to pull the head and bri...
Jun 04, 2009 - 08:46 am - I wanted to test the unit without committing to sealing the base gasket, for which I plan to use Boatlife caulk to stop leaks. The gasket would have t...
Jun 04, 2009 - 12:31 pm - After re-testing this morning and still no action into the bowl filling, I called Thetford Marine who bought out W-C. They said I seemed to have it ri...
Jun 06, 2009 - 08:02 am - This project is not working out very well. From telephone conversations with Thetford representatives, I finally got someone real familiar with the pr...
Jun 06, 2009 - 09:51 am - I rebuilt the old Groco head on my boat a year or so ago. It works better than it did before the rebuild, but I won't rebuild it again -- when the tim...
Jun 06, 2009 - 01:02 pm - That's what I did. Got a cheap Jabsco and put it in. It gave up the ghost and I was 100 miles from anywhere. I got two re-build kits and rebuilt the ...
Jun 06, 2009 - 02:00 pm - Hey Ken,Hope you and Debra are well.I did it! Thanks for the great advice over the years. It's so exciting. Satori now has the best head on the market...
Jun 06, 2009 - 02:13 pm - Also.. in a liveaboard situation the Jabsco doesn't hold up well at all! We just replaced Ours for the second time in a little over two years, the jok...
Jun 06, 2009 - 04:14 pm - Hey Andrea and Brad,It is SO heartening to hear your report.Since I posted the "end of report" notice earlier today, it was possible for me to...
Jun 06, 2009 - 04:32 pm - True quality comes at a price. Time, money, both, etc....This was a real test of our commitment to quality.Had I to do it over again, with or without ...
Jun 06, 2009 - 08:32 pm - Satori.
Jun 06, 2009 - 09:19 pm - Andrea and Brad,I agree about the Jabsco. I'm also a liveaboard so it gets lots of use. My previous boat had a Jabsco which I rebuilt once. The next t...
Jun 06, 2009 - 11:40 pm - Thanks for the info Jeff! Just looked it up on the Westmarine online catalog and there it is! Don't know why I thought we couldn't get just the joker ...
Jun 07, 2009 - 05:15 pm - Why in the world would anyone go into the southern Gulf of Mexico at this time of the year? That's just nuts. June is peak for tropical storm formati...
Jun 10, 2009 - 03:29 pm - Hi,Just a quick note: the discharge line from head to holding tank did not appear to be a problem, but the 3/4 Inch vent line was. Thannk goodness I d...

Wilcox Crittendon Seacocks   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Mar 04, 2008 - 12:09 pm - We have several of these in our boat. They are all bronze with a bronze "cone"The bore is slightly scored on a couple of them and this smooth ...
Mar 05, 2008 - 04:39 pm - Are you sure that they are the brand you have described? Sounds like Spartan products? Anyway the people at Spartan bronze are great and will be more ...
Mar 05, 2008 - 05:54 pm - Cheers Chris
Mar 06, 2008 - 01:33 pm - Wilcox has made bronze cone seacocks since before time began. Check out the Wilcox catalog.
Mar 10, 2008 - 09:19 am - we just overhauled our WC thru hulls on out 28 footer. For cleanup, I soaked sprayed and soaked them with some degreaser (various brands at the autopa...
Mar 10, 2008 - 12:22 pm - Gary, Get some valve grinding compound at the auto parts store. (its a gritty paste) Spread it on the cones and bore of the valves. Work them back and...
Mar 10, 2008 - 01:34 pm - Thanks Lee! I have some valve grinding paste from my motorcycle days.

Wind Generator Mounting   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Aug 16, 2006 - 07:42 pm - I just picked up a new KISS Wind Generator from a fellow cruiser... I had a spare dinghy/motor and his was recently stolen so we traded. Something I'v...
Aug 16, 2006 - 08:05 pm - Mike, I have some pictures of wind generator and radar post mounts on the boomkin. Contact me at www.westsail.com and I can send you some pictures.
Aug 16, 2006 - 11:29 pm - We have just replaced an Air Marine with a Kiss. Ours is located on the bomkin with the radar on the other side. Our Air Marine did all right without ...
Aug 17, 2006 - 11:31 am - Jim,Alas, I don't have a stern pulpit to help brace the pole.My backstay is attached to the SS boomkin crosspiece (thus, as far aft as possible). Wher...
Aug 17, 2006 - 12:38 pm - Mike, I was mistaken on my location. It is actually right in line the end of the stern and could have been further forward a few more inches. My backt...

Wind Vane Self Steering   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Jun 28, 2004 - 07:49 am - The boat that we just purchased (W32) came with a Saye's wind vane that has been removed. Talking with folks at the WOA Rendezvous this past weekend i...
Jun 28, 2004 - 08:53 am - The manufacturer doesnt recommend the Sayes rig for the W32. The distance from the trailing end of the rudder to the sayes rig trim tab is not great e...
Jun 29, 2004 - 01:50 pm - I have a Says rig and it works well. I've done several offshores and I'm always amazed at how well "Charlie" steers... night after day, up one...
Mar 05, 2006 - 08:11 pm - I have been in contact with owners of Fluid Motion (W32) about their Sayes Rig. They sailed from California to New Zealand with one and this is what t...
Mar 06, 2006 - 01:30 pm - Good Day Michael:THis reply is not on the Sayes rig but on the Monitor (At first I thought I would hate it But after 7 Years and 4K miles I could not ...
Mar 07, 2006 - 10:10 pm - Same recommendation for my Cape Horn. Love it - and it doesn't add three feet to my LOA which is a bonus here in Florida where slips run $12.75/ft. I ...
Apr 18, 2009 - 04:02 am - Have the W43's had better luck with the Sayes? The 43 I'm looking at has the Sayes installed but the rudder yoke? is not hooked up, possibly removed b...

Windlass Chain Gypsy Size   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

Aug 08, 2008 - 07:56 pm - The gaps for the links are 2" on the gypsy that I recieved with my boat. What size chain does this translate to?Thanks for any help

Wooden Boomkin Replacement   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

May 05, 2006 - 04:31 pm - I am a making new boomkin for my 32, and was going to use Doug. fur. Anyone have any better ideas?
May 05, 2006 - 06:25 pm - doug fir is good
May 05, 2006 - 07:03 pm - Stainless steel is better.
May 05, 2006 - 09:13 pm - Removing them all together and replacing them with double back stays, is the best.No chance for rott, they are not in the way, and I just had to get o...
May 05, 2006 - 11:45 pm - Well after posting today I went in search of Doug. Fir. There was no close, verticle grain in my area, so I then went to the local hardwood dealer. He...
May 14, 2006 - 01:07 am - Paul I hope you'll send along some pictures of your purple heart bowsprit. Sounds exotic.
Jun 04, 2006 - 10:59 am - Just replaced our bowsprit this last two weeks. Boy are we happy.I used local Fir, first growth, the grain is so tight as you need a magnifying glass ...
Jun 05, 2006 - 11:34 am - If you want to see pictures of rotted wooden bowsprits, contact me and I would be glad to send you some.
Jun 05, 2006 - 10:19 pm - Bud, an all yellow W32 ("Deserata", 1975 I think) with a broken bowsprit just showed up in Moss Landing with the staysail stay and headstay bo...
Jun 06, 2006 - 06:19 pm - Yes I have done a folding W32 stainless box bowsprit. Did one for a W32 here in So Cal that wanted to get into a shorter slip. Have the owner contact ...
Jun 15, 2006 - 03:16 pm - The owner's name is Jim, he's had the boat two decades I think, and he's got my manual so I imagine you'll hear from him although he doesn't seem to b...

WS 32 Hull Modifications - Beaver Tail - Leading Edge Of The Keel   (Archived)   Show Entire Thread

May 10, 2008 - 01:12 pm - Looking forward at ways to improve Pygmalion's sailing -- I read the article on adding a beaver tail to the keel and enlarging the aft part of the kee...
May 10, 2008 - 04:29 pm - JayFYI Don't round the bottom of the keel aft of centerline !!!! You would be much better off squaring the edges of the keel from about amidship to th...
May 10, 2008 - 04:35 pm - Opps on My previous post all dim are in Inches "I see i hit a ' inplace of a "
May 10, 2008 - 10:32 pm - Norm: Thanks for the reply and details of the vortex's -- so if I understand what you are saying -- the roll of the boat would be reduced if I square ...
Aug 13, 2008 - 09:30 pm - A report after cleaning Imagine's bottom.The Skate fin is in great shape with no isssues at all.I hate cleaning the bottom! it is a tedious job with a...
Aug 14, 2008 - 10:23 pm - Norm:Thanks for the Skate fin condition. Sounds like it is in good shape.Glad you enjoyed the bottom job....
Nov 20, 2008 - 07:12 pm - Norm:Looks like Pygmalion will be out of the water in a few months so I pricing out the G10 and reading your comments above carefully.What do you thin...
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