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Don and Margaret Lacoste

I just got an email from Yves Gelinas of CAPE HORN windvanes. They make a specific model for the W-32 called Toucana. The current price is $2989. If we have three members who want one, the cost will about $450. less (15%).

I have read much about this product and have heard back from other satisfied users. Let me know if there are any others of you who would like to order a windvane.

Don


Danny Rummans

Don, you can put me down as a potentual. I currently have a Sayes rig and am not sure yet. I have heard great things about the Capehorn.


Terry Shoup

Where can I get some more info on the wind vanes? I might well be interested -- I have a Sayes Rig that I think is missing some parts and I don't even know if it works. It came with the boat, and I've never used it.


Aaron Norlund
(Administrator)

Terry,

www.capehorn.com

Monitor is another option, but Cape Horn has my vote for the cluttered boomkin of a W32 set up for cruising.

Happy sailin',
Aaron Norlund


David Mosbach -W32 Dove #673

Hello,
Due to the (in our opinion), graceful design we are prospective buyers as well. Please put us down as interested.

David & Marci Mosbach
Dove #673


Don and Margaret Lacoste

Well, we now have three interested buyers of the Cape Horn vane. I will contact Yves Gelinas and ask how we should proceed. I will allow another week of activity on this site before ordering to see if other members may want to take advantage of Cape Horn's offer. Discounts may increase if we get more activity.

Don Lacoste
HERON 809


Steve & Vanessa

Hey guys. Congrats on your decision for the group buy. Last time we did it when I bought mine, Yves required a $500 deposit to begin work. Price will be adjusted on the backside when the balance is due. I believe this will be the 3rd or 4th successful group by from Cape Horn.


Don and Margaret Lacoste

We have had a couple people back away so we remain at two possible buyers at this time. I will keep this posting open for the next couple weeks to see if we can find a third committed buyer to take advantage of the discounts.

Buyers need to provide a $500 deposit and it will take about 10-12 weeks before these hand made vanes are manufactured. It will be at delivery when the final payment is due.

Can we find the third buyer?

Don
HERON


Terence Singh
(Member)

Thought you might be interested to know that the Toucana Windvane was originally designed around my Westail 32 which was origianlly named "Toucana". When I purchased her a year ago I recieved all the construction plans for the vessel incluing all the corespondance with Yves on the design requirements for this beautiful device!
SV Liberate #757.
Terry.


Don and Margaret Lacoste

Terry,

I presume you still have the vane and use it. Are you satisfied with their product? How old is it and has it held up well? Lastly, is it mounted on the boomkin only or are their struts to the hull. Thanks for commenting on this topic.

Don


Aaron Norlund
(Administrator)

I believe these are pictures of Terence's W32...

http://www.capehorn.com/sections/liste/w-sail32.htm

Another great installationof a Toucana aboard a Bristol Channel Cutter:

http://www.capehorn.com/sections/liste/bristolcc.htm

Cheers!
Aaron N.


Tom and Barb Koehl

I just read the Toucana thread. I'm interested, but would like to read up on it a bit. I'm restoring my W32 and have never used a windvane so I have much to learn. Put me down as a strong candidate and I'll try to read up a bit. If you can send me any links or other information I'd appreciate it. Tom Koehl


Fred and Patti Bray

Is there still a possibility of a group buy? We are interested and would like a current price.
Fred and Patti Bray
WS32 "Chinook"


Bob Cooley

My W32 SV Journey has the Cape Horn vane system which I purchased and installed myself in early 2003. It is not complex to install, setup, or use. It is well made. It has steered the boat well in winds from 6 kts to over 60 kts. Not for sale but if anyone wants to ask questions please email. Bob Cooley wa4mqw@yahoo.com

Wish I had purchased it in a group buy but still worth it.




Rick Hale and Jamie Westpfahl

Hi all,I would like to get together a group buy for Cape Horn windvane.

Rick
s/v Oceana


Brian Smith

Strong possible interest here- anybody have anything bad to say about the cape horn vane with the W32? I have (or will shortly!) the stainless boomkin (no stern pulpit)


Aaron Norlund

Brian,

I've never heard a thing bad about Cape Horn vanes from anyone who owns one. Not a thing. They're bulletproof and as good as, if not better than, monitors. They certainly have a cleaner looking installation on boomkins than monitors.

Something to consider; I am not comfortable working on my vane while underway due to not having a stern pulpit. We're eventually going to replace our boomkin with Buds stainless and definitely intend to have the pulpit. Especially on the stainless (read slippery) boomkin, I think you'll find a pulpit is a nice addition.

Cheers,
Aaron N.


Fred K. Cheney

I just sold my Aries (which I'm not so sure was a great idea) so I'd be in on a group buy, too - no hurry but count me in when everyones ready...


Brian Smith

I'm in! (and btw, if anybody on this forum has not seen Yves's great solo circumnavigation movie 'Around the World with Jean De Sud', it's a must! (you can order direct, for like $20 I think, from the Cape Horn website)


Stephen and Lu Ann Yoder

We might be in as well, if the Cape Horn is suitable for a W28. I'll check some websites and see what I can see but we're a definite 'maybe'.


Stephen and Lu Ann Yoder

Ouch! I just checked out the prices on the Monitor site. Guess I've never priced windvanes before but this was definitely more than I had in mind for right now. So I guess you better remove me from the list (unless the group buy discount is REALLY good, like 25% or more off).


Michael Dougan

I think they were talking about the Cape Horn windvane, not the Monitor, however, the prices are all in the same ballpark :-)


Aaron Norlund

They usually give 10-15% off group (3+) buys.

Cheers,
Aaron N.


Stephen and Lu Ann Yoder

Right you are, Michael. Not sure how I got the names screwed up between one post and the next. But, like you say, the prices are in the same ballpark. I think I'll still have to pass for now. Too much other high $$ stuff to be done before we're ready for a windvane.


Brian Smith

Just checking in.. Where are we with this group buy?
Current list price on the Cape Horn vane??


Pat

count me in (before i spend the money on something else! it appears we have our three (me, brian, rick & jamie, maybe fred)

pat
shaboom W32 #427


Brian Smith

Do we know that the Cape Horn vane will mount OK with the stainless boomkin? Bud??


Chuck

I am very interested but would like the answers to Brian's questions. Will it mount on the stainless steel boomkin, and how much is it going to cost?
Chuck


Pat

from yves this morning:

Pat,

If your boomkin is stainless steel, we will provide you with curved U-shaped fittings for fastening the mounting struts to a tube. Also, we want to know the height of the boomkin above the water and height of pushpit rail around the boomkin, if any, so that we can provide mounting struts that will locate the gear at the right height and windvane tower tall enough to receive clear wind above the rail.

As we have done before, we will offer a 15% discount for a group purchase of 3 gears or more.

Fair winds,

Yves


Bud Taplin
(Member)

I have some pictures of a Cape Horn windvane mounted on both a W32 wood boomkin and on one of my W32 stainless steel boomkins. Drop me an email I will send them out. btaplin@westsail.com


Steve & Lisa Campbell

Count me in.


Douglas and Jody Frye

You can also count us in. Does someone provide Yves at Cape Horn with the names of the people participating in the group buy and then the individuals contact Yves for ordering and payment?

Regards
Doug and Jody


Pat

i'll be happy to coordinate with Yves if nobody has a problem with that. i'm thinking we just send him our three names at once, he asks for a check or something, then deals with us individually.


Douglas and Jody Frye

I second the nomination for Pat to be our duly appointed Captain. Thanks Pat!

Regards
Doug and Jody
s/v El Gitano


Brian Smith

All those in favor... Aye!


Chuck

Pat,
Add me to your list. My e-mail is wordench(at)esuhsd(dot)org. Let me know what I need to do.
Chuck


Pat

in the event you didn't get cc:'d (brian, i don't have your email address), here's the note i just sent to yves at cape horn:

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Yves,

Good news! A number of us like-minded Westsail Owners are lined up to buy Cape Horns for our boats. At last count, there are five boats (might we get an additional discount?). Please let us know how to go about it.

We look forward to working with you.

Pat
*

i'll send along his reply if he doesn't do a 'reply to all'.


Brian Smith

sojourn50@alaska.net - Don't seem to have yours either, Pat...?


Pat Tilson

from yves in response to my last email:

Dear Pat :

If we receive as many as five orders in the following month, we can increase the discount to 20%.

However, we can not ensure delivery until the month of August, as the shop is presently extremely busy, all customers want their gears for the beginning of summer and we have to complete in priority the orders paying the full price. We would not be able to start work on those gears until July, for delivery mid-August.

If this is fine with you, we will be glad to build 5 CapeHorn Toucana gears for your group, at the price of $3460 - $692 = $2768. each.

Fair winds,

Yves Gélinas, Pres.
CapeHorn Marine Products
316 Girouard St. Oka QC Canada J0N 1E0
Tel. : 450 479-6314 (fax -1895)
Toll-free (North America) 1 800 CAP HORN (227-4676)

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glad i slipped in the whine for an additional discount! let me know if you're still in and i'll get back to him for the details.


Brian Smith

Absolutely.


Douglas and Jody Frye

Hell of a deal. Yves must have a soft spot for whining Westsailers. Were in.


Steve & Lisa Campbell

Sounds good to me

My new E-mail is westiny@embarqmail.com


Drwiencke

Hi folks,

I'm would like to join the group buy for the the cape horn windvane. I sail Neverland, a 1976 W32 with standard wood boomkin. Does that make six orders? Cheaper by the half-dozen? Let me know how to join in.

David Wiencke
drdcwdc@peoplepc.com




Linda and John Mendoza

Pat:

S/V Marsh Duck is joining this group buy for a Cape Horn windvane. We met Eric Sicotte at the Oakland Sail Show in April (Yves the previous year). I am in email contact with them. They are aware that Linda and I are joining this group buy. Today, I mailed in our $500 down payment.

s/John G. Mendoza


Fred K. Cheney

I'm still want in on it, too!


Pat

it looks like we're still gathering some more folks for this. my hope is we can squeeze an additional discount, so if i can get everyone that's on board to send me a quick email (sailshaboom at gmail dot com or tilson at bnl dot gov) by wednesday or so, i'll do what i do best and whine some more to yves. note the email link on my name here is broken, so anything sent there is in the wind.

from yves this weekend:

Dear Pat :

I made a price in quoting the price of the discounted Toucana. I based it on the price of $3460., but the correct price is $3495, which makes the 20%discounted price of the Toucana $2796., instead of $2768 I quoted earlier. Please forward the information to the interested members of your group.

Fair winds,

Yves

i told him i didn't think the extra US$28 bucks was going to hold anyone back.


Aaron Norlund

Boy if I didn't already have a monitor, I'd be onboard in a second! The Cape Horn installation is so much cleaner than that of the Monitor, and supposedly the performance is as good, if not better!

Glad to see so many boats getting a great gear!

Fair leads,
Aaron N.


Pat

perfect time to sell that monitor, aaron!


Aaron Norlund

Pat,

I know, I know! But it is installed any works well...I'd be hard pressed to explain why we need to sell something that works perfectly well to get something else that does the same thing!

I dunno, is he going to take more off if more people join? If I could sell my monitor for $2k, and get a Cape Horn for ~$2.5, that might be thinkable.

Boy...what'm I thinking of!

Fair leads,
Aaron N.

Cheers,
Aaron N.


Tom and Barb Koehl

Pat,

I still want in on this deal as well.

Tom Koehl


Pat

i'm goin to pull together the names of everyone this evening and send them to Yves. If you haven't done so already, please send me a note with your real names (not sure if Yves will be able to use screen names - and maybe a boat name. so far i have info from brian s., chuck w., tom and barb, fred c., linda and john, david w., and doug & jodi.

in the meantime, i'll get with yves and find out the process so we can get this moving (and lock in our price!). expect an update when he responds; so far, he appears to be a 24/7 kinda guy, so it shouldn't be long.

thanks, everyone.

pt


Drwiencke

Hi Pat,

I ordered Yves' DVD of his 1982-3 solo circumnavigation and received it today. It is a beautiful film, highly recomended. He reminds me of Bernard Moitessier. He sailed on a shoe-string budget, relying on his wit and talent, filmed it all in 16mm with sound, and designed a cleverly simple improvement of the servo-pendulum self steerer!

I'm ready to send in my deposit.

It's also interesting that he completed his solo circumnavgation 25 years ago this May. What a nice anniversary present for him to get a bundle of orders for his creation born from that voyage.

David Wiencke


Pat

i sent yves the following this evening:

Yves,

As of today, here are the names of the folks in on the Westsail group buy. As best I can tell, we've all got 32's (although boomkins vary between the older wooden version and the stainless steel one):

1. Dale Irwin
2. Steve & Lisa Campbell
3. David Wiencke
4. Brian Smith
5. John & Linda Mendoza
6. Doug & Jody Frye
7. Fred Cheney
8. Tom & Barb Koehl
9. Chuck Worden
10. (another Westie, name to be provided - all i have is an email address)
11. Myself

I think we doubled the number since we last communicated, so this is where I get down on bended knee and humbly ask if there is any further discount beyond the generous one previously offered.

Please let me know our next step. I assume we would contact you separately from this point, but will await you direction, which I will pass on to our members. As an aside, I know the delivery schedule is late summer, but I don't need mine too soon and would be willing to wait a bit longer.

Thanks,

Pat Tilson

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i'll post his response when it comes in.

pat


Drwiencke

Sent in my $500 deposit yesterday.

David Wiencke


Mick Swain

Hi Pat--I have been following your group purchase effort and would like to add my name to the list. I am Mick Swain ( "Pitiful Pearl " Westsail 32)and have a Worldcruiser stainless boomkin---I have had earlier Communications with Yves at Cape Horn--Where do I send deposit? Thanks for your hard work


Mick Swain

Pat--my E-mail address has changed to amswain3@snet.net


Pat

(mick - do we need to add you to the list? reply to me via tilson at bnl dot gov)

today's update:


Dear Pat

Yves is away to his boat for a month but I've transmitted him your
message and you should receive an answer shortly

Best regards
Éric


Brian Smith

thanks pat, appreciate you riding point on this and keeping us posted~


Brian Smith

Fantastic! OK, will contact them direct then with deposit by end of June.


Aaron Norlund

Pat,

I posted a suggestion on the Sam L. Morse forum that any Bristol Channel Cutter owner's who are interested participate in our buy. As you know, W32s and BCCs both use the Toucana vane, so I am assuming Yves would by fine making a vane for a couple of BCC owners!.

There is already one guy who wants to participate, but with such a great discount, I'm guessing others will be intersted. I'll check with Eric to see if it is OK for interested owners to jump on the wagon.

Cheers,
Aaron N.


Pat

great news, oh brethren of the westie:

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Dear Pat

Good news!
Since the group is now so important, the discount will be 25%. On the
other hand, the quantity of windvanes to fabricate (along with the
regular production) will push deliveries into the fall. We are now
working on 12 units and we'll be very busy until the end of June. It is
only then that we'll be able to start producing the group's windvanes.
So everybody has until the end of June to send their deposit and the
group can of course increase until then.
Also, if you or somebody from the owner's group could send me a nice
picture of a Westsail (it would be the fantastic if our vane would be
on) so I could make a little thank you message on my website welcome
page for the group buy. (erics@caphorn.com)

Thanks to everyone
Éric

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my response:

Eugene was the member that had only provided his email; Mick is #11.

Please thank Jean for his kindness regarding pricing. I'll pass the good news on immediately. I can assure you that we'll be sending plenty of photos and thanks north!

Pat

Pat Tilson, REM, CEA
Facility Representative
U.S. Dept. of Energy
Brookhaven National Lab
Upton, NY 11973
631.344.2924 (office)
****

i was going to ask how many orders were needed before we got them for free, but decided not to press the nice people.

based on input from members, it appears the deposit is $500. at this point, i think it's appropriate that we work with them individually (www dot capehorn dot com). jean and eric have our names, but if you were just lurking and now want in, just tell them you're with the band. those of you that have seen their vane in action know what a lovely piece of work it is - those of you that are simply crossing your fingers won't be disappointed. thanks to everyone that jumped in, allowing cape horn to bend so far on the discount!

pat


Stephen and Lu Ann Yoder

Wow! This is amazing. To quote a previous message from myself: "So I guess you better remove me from the list (unless the group buy discount is REALLY good, like 25% or more off)". So now, I guess I'm jumping back on board with my W28. I'll send my deposit directly to Yves along with all my vitals. Thanks for all your work, Pat.

-Steve & Lu Ann Yoder


Drwiencke

Great news! Thanks Pat, for co-ordinating this deal. With all these orders, Yves won't have much spare time for sailing Jean-du-Sud this summer
I, also wondered, how many orders it would take to get them for free, although a discount of almost $900 is hard to beat.



Joe Kovacs

This is my experience. Be aware that, if the appearance of the Cape Horn wind steerer is important to you, you have to specify what you want firmly. Thus...

Yves Gelinas advertises with the installation on Toucana, with the wind steerer tucked up neatly under the boomkin. What he supplies, though, is a wind steerer that goes in there nicely but halfway down to the water. Bud's pictures show the ones he actually supplies clearly. If you think you're getting the Toucana style installation and have your heart set on it, you have to firmly and clearly specify that in your order.

I have the latter, like in Bud's pictures. I wish I had specified a hwt of 65" instead of 53".

There are several set screws in holes threaded into relatively thin tubing. Specify that, instead of threaded holes, these are to be nuts welded onto the tubing. There's not enough thread to work with in the tubing wall.


Joe Kovacs

Incidentally, the wind steerer on Toucana is attached to the top rail for a brace.


Aaron Norlund

Joe,

Could you post some pictures of your vane and its installation please.

Thanks for your time,
Aaron N.


Brian Smith

2nd that- sounds like there are variations here, and we all of course want the very best... i for one plan a crossing or two and would hate to have issues out there in the deep blue~


Aaron Norlund

All,

I just received this back from Erik about the BCC owners, and I had asked a bit about whether it was worth my selling my Monitor for a Cape Horn. I've decided I will, as long as I can get enough for it to make it worth while:


quote:

Dear Aaron

I think there would be no problem if for a few BCC owners to jump in but I think it is important to let the Westsail group be aware of this, since 3 or more newcomers will increase the production and delivery time.

Now for your stuff,
I'm pasting below an extract of our website, written by Yves Gélinas, which explains the performance of our windvane in light air. All I can add is that I myself experienced a newly installed CapeHorn steering a Formosa 44 in a 3 to 4 kts wind.

Before the CapeHorn came on the market, self-steering systems had a reputation of performing poorly downwind, especially in light air. This is understandable : downwind, the apparent wind is at its weakest and the energy developed by the vane is often insufficient to overcome the inertia and the friction inherent in the transmission system.

Windvanes were made of plywood or a comparable material. The CapeHorn windvane is much lighter : spinnaker cloth over a 1/8?? (3 mm) wire and reacts to the lightest impulse. (True, it could prove too light for heavy weather; so a second vane, made of aluminium sheet replaces it when it is time to reef.)

Transmission between the vane and the servo-pendulum was done through a number of gears or connecting rods (or both). The CapeHorn needs only one moving part between the connecting rod and the stock of the servo-pendulum. This reduces friction considerably, making the system even more sensitive. As a bonus, fewer moving parts also means less play between parts, making the whole system much more precise. The travel of the connecting rod is also shorter, which ensures a much quicker transmission to the servo-pendulum of the signals given by the vane.

All this means the CapeHorn is the only windvane that really works downwind in light air. The photo above shows two boats self-steered in light air, wing-on-wing, and there is no whisker pole holding the clew of either genoa to windward. We have all tried to keep the sail from collapsing while steering by hand and seen how difficult it was ! This illustrates how precise a course the CapeHorn steers.
Let me know when you will have done your work on westsail.org. I will add a link to your page or make a special page myself on this topic on the CapeHorn website.

Thanks for your interest in our product
Éric




I responded with:


quote:

Éric,

Thank you for getting back to me so promptly. I've already let the association know I was asking BCC owners - no one has objected. I think everyone is crossing their finger for us getting enough that you all give them to us for free!

Anyway, I have three BCC owners who want to purchase, plus another Westsail owner that just decided and myself. That bring the group to 17.

Do you all intend to complete gears for everyone then send them, or will they go out on a rolling basis? I want to be able to tell everyone by how long the BCC owner's addition to the group will extend the production.

Thanks for your time!
Aaron N.




I'll let you all know what I hear back.

Pat, I suggest you paste a list of the names of all the people you have down as planning to purchase. This will let everyone know they are indeed on the list.

Cheers!
Aaron N.


Aaron Norlund

Oh, I forgot.

Please add these names:

Aaron Norlund (W32)
Bryon Dahl (BCC)
Richard Graver (BCC)
Gary Mynett (BCC)

There is prospective FCC owner, too. But I didn't ask about an FCC Cape Horn.

I'll keep you all posted. I'm trying to get us up to the 20 mark!

Fair leads,
Aaron N.


Drwiencke

Regarding the post from Joe Kovacs, I wonder if the "oar" has an ideal length and/or if the piveting mechanism's height above the water is a factor in effective operation of the gear? I would suspect that Yves knows what works best for our boats and possibly the lower installation is more efficient.



Drwiencke

Another thought...Older westsail 32s have smaller rudders and this may effect either installation and/or manufacture since the "oar" is apparently sized as a percentage of the boat's rudder size.


Aaron Norlund

Hey all,

A note from one of the BCC owners participating:


quote:

Aaron,

Please forward our thanks to the WOA message board for allowing us BCC's to get in on the deal. I've asked Eric to put us at the end of the build list so you guys get done first. We're not relaunching until mid/late 2009 anyway.

Thanks again,

Bryon Dahl & Maria Chiechi





Cheers!
Aaron N.


Pat

thanks, aaron. here's today's missive northbound:

Éric,

Please add one more Westsail 32, and we've dragged 3 Bristol Channel Cutters into the mix, as well. According to my math, we need just 47 more owners in on this group buy and you'll be paying us! I've asked everyone to contact you.

Thanks again for everything,

Pat

Aaron Norlund (W32)
Bryon Dahl (BCC)
Richard Graver (BCC)
Gary Mynett (BCC)


Aaron Norlund


quote:

Hi Aaron,

I would like to be part of the group order as well. I will email Eric to let him know. Thanks for organizing this. Anybody interested in a used Aries?

Jonathan Fulford BCC#36




Cheers,
Aaron


Norm Rhines

I hate to add this in but after reading some of the string above.

Did you guys ever check with Scanmar on there group Pricing for Monitor windvanes? I have sailed with both and I Like the monitor better.

So Aaron you may not be better off going to a Cape horn.

Please note; I believe the cape horn is a good unit, But I also think the Monitor is a better unit.

In any case it is great to see the group buy thing work out, I hope my next need falls into one of these group buys.

Fair winds to all
Norm


Pat

I miss anyone? heck, just drop them a note and tell 'em you're one of us!

****
Eric,

I thought I?d give my Westsail Owners a bit of starter information. I understand from some of the people that have already sent in a check that the deposit is $500. I assume it should be mailed to:


Cap Horn, produits marins
316, rue Girouard
Oka QC Canada J0N 1E0


If I?m incorrect, please let me know and I?ll pass it on.


Thanks.
Pat

<in>

Pat,
Very good, I will slowly collect info and deposits.

This is the buyers list, dated May 22nd

1. Aaron Norlund (W32)

2. Bryon Dahl (BCC)

3. Richard Graver (BCC)

4. Gary Mynett (BCC)

5. Mick Swain.

6. Dale Irwin

7. Steve & Lisa Campbell

8. David Wiencke

9. Brian Smith

10.John & Linda Mendoza

11.Doug & Jody Frye

12.Fred Cheney

13.Tom & Barb Koehl

14.Chuck Worden

15.Eugene Presley

16.Pat Tilson

17.Jonathan Fulford

18.Jerry Kovach (Falmouth cutter 22)

It does correspond with what you have?

Thanks for all your work. Because of you I wont get bored this summer
Éric

Tilson, Pat a écrit :
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Aaron Norlund


quote:

Dear Aaron

Thanks for putting your trust into CapeHorn Self-Steering.

I think you can say to everyone to uncross their fingers, Santa did his job but he his gone now!

Building a Toucana takes around 4 days, maybe 3 1/2 because I work faster when all the units are the same. But I also have to keep some time to build the other full price units. So making 20 units will take at least 18 weeks. Since I'm making all the units together, I aim for a late October delivery for all the units. Since all the participants may not be at the same stage in their boat preparation or in their voyage schedule, it could be a good thing if I could know who can wait longer before receiving his unit. Byron Dahl already told me he does not plan to relaunch until late 2009 so he will be delivered close to the last. This will allow me to set the work pace.

I would be a good thing if you could post this message in the forum.

Thanks to all the group, I'll be waiting for all your personal and boat info (and deposits)

Éric




Cheers,
Aaron N.


Bud Taplin
(Member)

Pat, If you could contact Eric at Cape Horn, and ask him if it would not be easier to attach the two bottom brace legs to the connection points that are welded on the bottom on all of the stainless boomkins I provide. May be easier that running them all the way to the hull as noted on the installation on Xapic. I have the picture of the one on Xapic if you do not already have it,


Stephen and Lu Ann Yoder

Pat or Aaron (I've lost track of who's ramrodding this), please add my name to the list:

Stephen Yoder (W28).

When I send my deposit to Yves I'll let him know that we won't need our vane until around April or May of 2009.

Thanks,
Steve


Bud Taplin
(Member)

Pat, I also thought of another important item that must be considered. That is the mounting method of the windvane on the boomkin. There are two different heights of the boomkin above the water on the W32, with the wood boomkin being mounted on deck, and the stainless boomkin being mounted on the hullside. Also, the W28 has a different boomkin and height above the water.

On the W32, there are at least four different crosspieces on the end of the boomkin. The early boats had a wood crosspiece, next there was a 2" x 2" stainless crosspiece, then a 2" x 4" stainless crosspiece with the 4" aft end at 90 degrees to the boomkin, but not perpendicular with the waterline. The boomkin sits at about 8 degrees above the waterline level. Next came the 2" x 4" crosspiece I make, which is made at 82 degrees, so the aft face is perpendicular with the water.

There also may be some additional crosspieces made by individual builders of kit boats.

I would say that each buyer would have to specify what they will need for their mounting fittings.


Pat

(thanks for your comments, bud. i'll pass the word on to Cape Horn. always good to have the "guru" tapped into the process!)

wishing to ensure that we get our 25% discount, i sent a note to Cape Horn this morning requesting an update on deposits (below is a copy of email betwixt Cape Horn and myself today.) if you're on board or have hopped off, please send me a note so i may update them. those of you in touch with the BCC folks, please give them a gentle nudge, as well. tell them we'll lift the WOA surcharge, for god's sake! once they reveive deposits from 10 boats, we're good to go, price-wise. as it stands, we're pretty much paying retail.

thanks!

pat & shaboom
<tilson>
********
Éric,

Would you give me an update on deposits received so I may begin being a pain to those procrastinating? (just mark up the below list, which I assume is up-to-date.) Also, I assume there?s a magic point where the discount kicks in beyond a bunch of folks promising they want a vane? is it when the deposits are received?

Many thanks,

Pat

-response from eric-:

Pat,

Status from your list:

This is the buyers list, dated May 22nd
1. Aaron Norlund (W32)
2. Bryon Dahl (BCC) - told me he sent the deposit
3. Richard Graver (BCC)
4. Gary Mynett (BCC)
5. Mick Swain - promised in a few weeks
6. Dale Irwin
7. Steve & Lisa Campbell
8. David Wiencke - Deposit received
9. Brian Smith
10.John & Linda Mendoza
11.Doug & Jody Frye - wish to pay all at once and he is advised of the whole amount
12.Fred Cheney
13.Tom & Barb Koehl - Deposit in couple weeks
14.Chuck Worden
15.Eugene Presley - Deposit received
16.Pat Tilson - Deposit received
17.Jonathan Fulford
18.Jerry Kovach (Falmouth cutter 22)
19. Denis Mahon (Falmouth Cutter) djmahon@comcast.net joined the group
Doug Frye

I assume that 10 received deposits will ensure the 25% deal. I'm sure we will reach this amount, with your help.

Regards
Éric

Tilson, Pat a écrit :


Brian Smith

My understanding from Eric is that we have until the end of June to get our deposits in for this group rate. That is what I am planning. I would also suggest we each send in a picture or two of our individual boat's stern so there are no 'misques' about appropriate mounting and installation~


Joe Kovacs

Awright, I've tried to put up a picture of the Cape Horn installation on Sea Breeze, but I can't get it to go up. It looks like the installation on San Diego, above, which illustrates what I'm trying to say very well.

But anyway it's an empty non-issue. Everybody's happy with the proposed installation. Nobody's run up the flagpole and saluted. That's great.

Obviously, it bothered me when I got my Cape Horn. Also obviously, I'm a smalltime two-bit picky sonofagun.

Good luck with your Cape Horn wind steerers, everyone. They're a beautiful piece of equipment.

I'm at Hinckley's in Thunderbolt (Savannah) GA, if you want to see one.


Stephen and Lu Ann Yoder

Just want to give props to Eric at Cape Horn. I sent him an e-mail asking to get in on the deal and sent pictures of the stern of my W28 which does not have a boomkin. He wrote back and said that I would need the Varuna model unlike the rest of you who are getting the Toucana. But, even though I'm getting a completely different vane which uses more metal (for the mounting arms) he still offered me 15% off. Still a very good deal. Especially when I figure in the savings of not having to buy a boomkin.

-Steve


Fred K. Cheney

I won't be able to get my deposit in untill the 1st or 2nd week of July - I've been shanghai'd by some friends with a 35' catamaran and ended up in the Abacos - we're at Spanish Cay right now and are heading down towards Great Guana this afternoon - the weather is beautiful, with ya'll were here!

Fred


Terry Shoup

OK, I'm in -- I'll send the deposit this coming week. I'm also getting a stainless steel boomkin from Bud, and he suggested I check with Cape Horn to see why they don't use the tabs on his boomkin that Monitor uses, rather than running a support leg to the hull. Anyone have an answer?


Stephen and Lu Ann Yoder

Does anyone know whether or not we have to pay some sort of duty on these vanes since they're manufactured in Canada. If no one here knows I'll ask Yves or Eric but I'd rather they were busy making vanes rather than answering e-mail.

Thanks,
Steve


Brian Smith

Hey all, sorry to have missed this group buy. My mother just passed away after a prolonged illness. I was her 24/7 caregiver as well as son... Parkinson's Disease sucks, 'nough said. She is in a better place and I have my life back... I've gotta tell ya, nothing better for R&R, healing.. than one of these grand old ladies of the ocean...


Edward and Susan Crawford

You could try,call or e-mail, we didn't send our deposit until the end of June. Recieved confirmation last week it's going to take two or three months to get them made so whats one more except more dollars for him. Also shipping was added to the invoice it's $75.00 to Fl. I don't think thats bad at all


Edward and Susan Crawford

With the NAFTA agreement there should be no duty both Canada and Mexico are members


Stephen and Lu Ann Yoder

Thanks for the info re: duty, Edward & Susan. BTW, Yves is only charging $75.00 shipping even all the way out here to Oregon.


Fred and Patti Bray

Wow - I haven't checked the message board for a long time and had no idea the Cape Horn group buy had taken off. I had given up on it in 2006.
I have contacted Eric at Cape Horn and indicated that we would like to get in on it. I will be sending the $500 deposit. Thank you to those who spearheaded this.
Fred and Patti Bray
S.V. Chinook


Terry Shoup

To those who are participating in this group buy: Let me know (you can post here or email me at <westsailor@earthlink.net>) when you actually get delivery. I ordered one, too, but told them to go ahead and put me at the bottom of the list, since my cruising plans are at least a year or more away.


Jean Bourgeois

Just a note. I bought the Toucana model this past spring specifyingit was for a W32 and am loving it. However the model I was sold, the tower was to short, so I had to cut the top off my rear pulpit so that the vane would not be hindered. I then met Leo and Susan that had bought a Toucana and had specified the hight of the tower they wanted. Some how I wish I would have read the specifications more closely. Please verify the hight of the tower your are purchasing.


Aaron Norlund

Hey all,

Éric from Cape Horn asked me to post this:

The first dozen units are ready for the WOA buyers. Those interested in getting the units soonest, contact me to arrange for payment and delivery.

Éric: erics@caphorn.com

Best to all,
Aaron N.



Steve & Lisa Campbell

Thought I would let every one know,I recived my vane on 11/16/08.I think I was in the first shipment.


Stephen and Lu Ann Yoder

I got an e-mail from Yves saying mine has shipped (Tuesday, 11/18/08) and should be here next week.


Aaron Norlund

All,

Please take before/after and installation photos of your Cape Horn windvane. I am going to create a web page showing this as an "ideal group buy" and would like to show the differences in boats. Further, Eric is going to host a page on his caphorn.com showing the installations on W32s.

Please send photos to:

webmaster AT westsail DOT org

Thanks!
Aaron N.


Aaron Norlund

Hey all,

When I spoke to Yves before Christmas, he said they had two units ready to ship. If you want yours now, get in touch with them. They won't start on the next batch until people buy these two!

Cheers,
Aaron N.


Terry Shoup

Who's gotten theirs so far? I emailed Yves some time back and told he could move my name to the bottom of the list, since I won't be going cruising for a while yet -- gotta keep working for now.

If anyone wants to move on these two units, now's the time; if not, I'll go ahead and move my name up the list.


Stephen and Lu Ann Yoder

I got mine the latter half of November. Of course I paid for it back in July. Since I have no stern pulpit on my W28, I wasn't able to use the Toucana version that all the 32s are getting. Mine is the Varuna which required more material so I didn't get quite as good a discount as y'all. However, 15% is still a pretty fair chunk of change.

-Steve


David Wiencke

I emailed Eric in Oct. telling him I didn't need my vane until spring since we're out of the water for the winter. I will step up now if no one else wants to.


Aaron Norlund

Alright everyone!

Pony up the photos! I really want to put a webpage together showing photos of the vanes installed on our boats, as well as to detail how awesome group buys can be.

Thank you to the two owners who have already sent photos.

Cheers,
Aaron N.



Bud Taplin
(Member)

Aaron,
I have pictures of Monitor, Aires, and a few other types of vanes installed on the Westsail boats. If you want, I can send you these pictures by mail on a disk, or by email attachment.


Aaron Norlund

Bud,

That would be great. I am especially interested in getting photos of Cape Horns purchased in this group buy.

Please do send the photos - Email is fine.

Cheers,
Aaron N.


Bud Taplin
(Member)

Aaron,
I do have some pictures of the Cape Horn, however none of the pictures show the Cape Horn from this group buy.


David Wiencke

Recieved my CapeHorn last week. There was a mysterious $43 "brokerage fee" added onto the shipping charge by UPS. Sort of a ransom-tax-bribe to cross the border.

Too bad we didn't get the price in Canadian $ with the current exchange rate.

It looks beautiful.

Waiting for Duluth to thaw out (it just keeps snowing up there)to install it. Will take pictures.


Stephen and Lu Ann Yoder

Finally got my Cape Horn Varuna installed on my W28. Per Aaron's request of quite some time ago, here's a picture:

varuna



George and Rayna Shaunfield

Steve,

Good looking wind vane and mounting.
George


Stephen and Lu Ann Yoder

Thanks, George. And thanks for fixing the picture size, Aaron (I assume it was you).

-Steve


Terry Shoup

When I first looked at the picture above, I thought that blue structure (a gantry of some sort) was part of the boat! I know our boats are stout, but damn!!!

Was the installation pretty straight-forward? I need to send the check so I can get mine and install it.


Stephen and Lu Ann Yoder

Terry,

The blue thing in the picture is one side of the travelift. We did the installation while hauled out. I recommend this as I tend to lose nuts and bolts when I'm doing anything over the water. Also, the lower strut supports are awfully close to the waterline to be operating a drill.

The main problem with my installation was that the instructions are pretty poor and I didn't have a very good picture of what the finished product should look like. Ultimately, everything you need to know is in the instruction book somewhere. Finding it, or even knowing you need to find something isn't always so easy. Having a good clear picture of a finished installation would help immensely as the photos in the instruction book are mostly grainy and hard to see. Eric and Yves at Cape Horn were very helpful and responsive to e-mails.

All that being said, there's nothing particularly tricky about the installation. Need a good way to support the unit while installing the struts. Since I was hauled out I was able to set it on a scaffold. Could probably have just tied it off to the boom gallows if it weren't for the wet varnish.

If you are installing a Varuna, use my photo as a guide. If installing a Toucana, maybe one of the other folks who participated in the group buy could post a photo.

Good luck.

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