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W32 On E-Bay

Gary and Charlotte Burton

Parts are worth more than current bid....hull looks intact

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260308742399&sspag ename=ADME%3AB%3ASS%3AUS%3A1123&viewitem=

George and Rayna Shaunfield

This boat is located less than 15 minutes from where I live. If someone would like for me to go look at it or take some pictures, let me know. My phone is 281-534-7103 and email is gshaunfield at yahoo dot com.


Tom and Barb Koehl

George, If I were you I couldn't restrain myself from just going to see it!!! If she's not holed or otherwise structurally damaged it's a steal at that price. If you do look at her be sure to post some photos. -Tom Koehl

Bud Taplin

If anyone is really interested in bidding, I know the former owner, and have his phone number. I talked to him just after the hurricane, and he said the boat was damaged, but not too severely. He was fully insured, so I guess he took the money from the insurance settlement, and let the insurance company auction her off.

Aaron Norlund

Hey all,

In case you don't see it, there is a link in that auction to 32 other pictures of the boat:


Take a real good look. The boat seems like it was in somewhat rough shape before the storm, which certainly didn't help! Figure, if you're on either of the coasts, it'll cost some six or seven thousand dollars to get it home (at least, not counting you're going there and all). If it sells for more than $10,000, I wouldn't be surprised if you wind up with $20k invested just getting it home!

Then figure another $4k to get the rig up and fixed (at least). And then you still have a boat that was a project before!

I don't want to seem like a downer, but we've juggled the numbers for boats in the past and in every case, the figures say it'll cost more for the fixer-upper than a boat in good shape. For those who have little to spend and live in the area, these can be great finds. But distance increases costs a LOT. Just be weary and brutally honest with yourself of the actual costs.

Too many people buy fixer-uppers and wind up in a flop and having to postpone their plans! This isn't to say don't think about it - but to be cautious.

My ~$.02

Aaron N.

Tom and Barb Koehl

Interesting photos. My boat was in worse condition, or perhaps I should say unfinished condition, and I paid $9K plus $2K in transportation charges. My original estimate of $30K to bring it back to life were a bit low and I now think that $40K is more realistic. Considering that I'll have a virtually "new" boat I can accept that, but I'll also have about 1500 man hours into the refurbishing. If you had to pay a yard to do the work you'd be in WAY over your head. This boat has some nice equipment and fittings, but I wouldn't pay more than I did. I retrospect, I probably paid about $4K too much - but that's minor considering the overall investment. Plus, I WANTED a project boat, both as a retirement project and so that when it's done I'll KNOW the boat inside and out down to the smallest detail. -Tom K

Gary and Charlotte Burton

I guess it depends on what you want. Like Tom we found a project and have spent more than we originally thought we would.... However we now have a boat that has a new engine, tanks, rigging, mast, boom, bowsprit, boomkin, paint, stanchions, pulpits, gallows and the list goes on for about the price of an "ok" boat as listed on Buds site or yachtworld.

There are some fixers that are worth it...but don't start one and not finish it because then you will really lose your shorts

Norm Rhines

I second Tom's and Gary's thoughts

My boat was a project boat (rigged and sailed) but the interior was not there.

I estimate 3000 hr on the interior and fixes. I have two oil cases worth of reciepts (ave. of each is 150.00) so a good est. = 58 to 65K. So yes from my point a project boat can be a hole in which you can throw money into.

So think hard before going for it and also get a wholesale account!! so you don't pay 100,000 + for your fixup.

Gary and Charlotte Burton

All boats are fixers

Tom and Barb Koehl

Gary, I think it's less painful to think of them as "a work in progress". I just hope I have money left over to do some cruising! My wife thinks we ought to forgo the engine and just invest in sweeps! -Tom K

Norm Rhines

I agree, but I have gone from 1,500.00 - 1,800.00/ month in build mode for 4 years (not including rent "dry or wet") to around 100.00 to 150.00/month when the vessel is complete (almost done) maintenance and stuff. I do however have to admit trips and diesel can add up if traveling, but hey that is what we got the boat for.

My note is: a finished boat (Or mostly finished boat cost 1/10 the amount in $$$$$$ as the work in progress costs not counting the labor) so from a cash flow point of view the finished boat is a deal. (see Buds site for options in this area)

The up side to a project boat is that you can get exactly what you want, where you want, it how you want it (least ways, if you are skilled in the application).

I leave with the following two thoughts.
1.) would I build a boat again NO!
2.) would I rather have a new factory finished boat ALSO NO! my boat is set up nicely. I have what I want.

Gary and Charlotte Burton

Tom - yes, a work in progress is a better way to look at it.

I have enjoyed the process. If I had gone out and bought a nice W32 I would have had to make a loan. This way she is paid for and new anyway!

Probably not smart but who cares

Tom and Barb Koehl


That was my idea as well - pay as you go, and if I run out of cash for a month or two I probably needed a break anyway! Thank heavens I don't have to pay a storage fee - mine is parked in a friend's barn. All I have to do is keep the tarps that I tented over the boat clear of bird and bat crap.


Gary and Charlotte Burton

I did have storage issues. Initially a guy told me I could rent a spot next to his shop for $50 a month. That was great until he divorced his wife who then took over the business and told me to leave!
So then we had to move the boat to the port....they gave me a "special" rate of $400 a month. Yeah right. That was special allright.

Here is our moving solution :


Norm Rhines

Wow I did not know I have a trailerable boat. (who knew)
Ummm 21000 / 3 = 7000#/ axle not bad, but the red flag is missing?

Cool pic thanks, and sorry to hear about the special rate thing. We have that here in Hawaii, the special is always 20% to 50% more than the standard rates, go figure.

One thing I wished I had done during my 4 years of construction is to have a container or construction trailer beside the boat for storage and work area. (I know it costs $$$$) but it would have saved me time and a small bit of $$$ in lost (borrowed forever) and weather damaged wood. (this would only apply if you are doing the interior)

Good luck, and one suggestion I have for you Gary, if you have not already done so, set up a business for the construction of the boat(s) so as to get wholesale accounts for all things boat. (it may even let you write off the rent costs from your taxes in a round about way as business losses.

In any case cool photo.

How did you get it on and off the trailer?

Gary and Charlotte Burton

Norm - we did end up getting her in the water in June. The above picture was taken in April...so 2 months later we have this:


Gary and Charlotte Burton

Sorry - huge picture again

Norm Rhines

Sorry I have to ask: What is the little gusset on the starboard side between the second and third stansion for.

Also congrads she looks great in your (Large) photo

Way cool.

Aaron Norlund


It looks like gateway stanchion with support strut. Rather than having the lifeline run through a guide eye as with regular stanchions, there are hoops on the sides of the stanchion where the after and forward running lifelines are clipped.

Gary! Your supposed to put the boat in the water bottom side down. Didn't your mother teach you not to lay things on their side? And you people must be spiderpeople - how you cling to the deck like that...

Aaron N.

Bud Taplin

That gusset is a molded part of the first deck made by Westsail. It was believed that it was needed for the side loads on the shrouds, however it was eliminated when the next deck mold was made.

Gary and Charlotte Burton

Aaron - I was worried that the ballast was not correct so we did it sideways!
But really, I did not know if the ballast was installed by Charlie the builder or the factory. (Charlie had passed away)As she had never been in the water it was a nervous time. I did have the crane operator in Tucson (where we found her) make a note of the weight when he loaded her....21000 lbs with no motor or any rigging, anchors etc
So I knew there was ballast in there but still...!

Norm Rhines

Aaron - The above photo is conclusive proof that the world is not flat : ) so now I can think about sailing the rest of the way around?
Also Aaron, Us with the older boats have the stanchions with the hoops on the sides (std operation) totally tubular dude. Also if I can get a hula girl to visit I will have hula-hoops on my Westsail how cool is that.

Thanks Bud. (it is amazing to see how much apprehension they had about the strength of FRP in the 70's)

Aaron Norlund


I didn't know what a gusset was. I assumed that was the name for the stanchion support. See what happens when you're young and think you have answers to things?

I have the same stanchions as shown, though I don't have a support strut for the gateway stanchion.

Aaron "wrong" N.

Bud Taplin

Getting back to the title of this posting, W32 Scudder sold for $9,600, which is what I estimated she would go for. If the new owner puts $10,000 into her moving and fixing the boat, he will have a bargain at about $20,000. Good on him.

George and Rayna Shaunfield

Buyer backed out and Scudder is back on eBay. 3+ days to go.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/_Sailboats__8430-1975-32-Westsail-Sloop-Cutter-Hu rricane-Ike_W0QQitemZ260316034336QQadiZ2794QQadnZSailboatsQQcmdZViewItemQQptZSai lboats?hash=item260316034336&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=72%3A727%7C65%3A12% 7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

At the request of a board reader I went to look at this boat and took 106 pictures. They can be seen here.


Gary and Charlotte Burton

If somebody buys this boat and parts it contact me

Tom and Barb Koehl

Yeah, I second that! I see a number of items that I'd be interested in, but it would be a chore to part it out. What a shame. At least I didn't have any real damage to my boat - just unfinished and neglected. Thanks for the great photos. -Tom Koehl

Christoper Paolucci

Hi Everyone,
We bought the boat and we're going start the repairs. But first we have to transport it. Who knows the actual dry weight and overall height and other specs relevant to transporting it?
Thanks for any help you can give us. Oh how about the number of the previous owner?
Chris and Pam (cjpaolucci_at_yahoo_com)

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